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Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:34 AM May 2021

Over half of Republicans believe Donald Trump is the actual President of the United States

Washington, DC, May 21, 2021 - Former President Donald Trump’s stronghold over the Republican party remains. His refusal to concede the 2020 election and calls of widespread fraud have raised doubts about the integrity of its results among his Republican base. Consequently, 56% of Republicans believe the election was rigged or the result of illegal voting, and 53% think Donald Trump is the actual President, not Joe Biden. Only 30% of Republicans feel confident that absentee or mail-in ballots were accurately counted, compared to 86% of Democrats and 55% of independents. As a result, 87% of Republicans believe it is important that the government place new limits on voting to protect elections from fraud. Finally, 63% percent of Republicans think Donald Trump should run for President again in 2024, compared to only 8% of Democrats and 23% of independents.



https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news_and_polls/over-half-republicans-believe-donald-trump-actual-president-united-states

I remember when Republicans used to claim to be the 'realists', the party that acted and reacted to the world as it was, were the practical thinkers, non emotional and steadyhanded compared to the 'soft' . and emotional Democrats, the party of 'feels not reals' , idealistic dreamers that were going to run the country to ruin chasing unicorns and rainbows versus their supposed fiscal responsibility.

But this appears to be another principle of the party tossed aside now that it is no longer useful, in part for Trump to cater to his seemingly delusional and obsessive need to 'win' and dodge any hint of so called weakness, but even before him the clinging to lies and proven failures like 'trickle down' economics and supposedly rampant voter fraud which is now embraced even more fervently in the pursuit of power...


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Over half of Republicans believe Donald Trump is the actual President of the United States (Original Post) Nexus2 May 2021 OP
I doubt that many actually believe that, but they are more than happy to claim they do brewens May 2021 #1
Agreed. They lie to own libs and they gain permission for personal cruelty when they lie. (Nt) FreepFryer May 2021 #2
"permission for personal cruelty" ! FailureToCommunicate May 2021 #11
Who gives a shit what those traitors think? gab13by13 May 2021 #3
YOU should. They are rigging elections and election oversight because of what they think Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #12
This is what keeps me up at night. NCDem47 May 2021 #17
This is why they are pushing the rigged election lie. wnylib May 2021 #28
Scares me too, if Congress' voting rights bill doesn't come to fruition. Jay25 May 2021 #32
The numbers continue to go down... lisa58 May 2021 #4
I think they Bullfeathers May 2021 #5
This should worry the republicans . . . Lovie777 May 2021 #6
Delusion and Denial bucolic_frolic May 2021 #7
They have never believed their "reality", is just has to sound good. denbot May 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author denbot May 2021 #9
Probably good to remember that they have been... 2naSalit May 2021 #10
But they keep winning elections with what's left of the party. Ace Rothstein May 2021 #23
For many, the bleeding didn't begin... 2naSalit May 2021 #31
Over half of republicons are mentally deficient. spanone May 2021 #13
Living in a world of delusion, they have no chance on formulating a plan that can succeed. Kaleva May 2021 #14
That dumb and still able to breathe. Thank goodness so many of them are incel. marble falls May 2021 #15
These are the people who believe in the Tooth Fairy at age 52 DFW May 2021 #16
If those people were any dumber,... LudwigPastorius May 2021 #21
These republicans are idiots LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #18
IMO the new reality is that we are in a war for our future. NoMoreRepugs May 2021 #19
If Over 50% Repugs Believe He Is Still President - Why Do.... global1 May 2021 #20
I know it won't happen but wonder if the SCOTUS came out and made public statements flying_wahini May 2021 #22
It's a problem Johnny2X2X May 2021 #24
There were 754 Republicans in this poll. RVN VET71 May 2021 #25
I wonder who the idiot Democrats that think Trump is President? LiberalFighter May 2021 #26
These voters are idiots LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #27
Because most Republicans are frauds. WyattKansas May 2021 #29
I Don't Believe The Independent Number ProfessorGAC May 2021 #30
Good Grief! I found it impossible to believe for the previous 4 years... Rhiannon12866 May 2021 #33
Over half of republicons believe in an alternate universe. This does not excuse them.... spanone May 2021 #34
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
1. I doubt that many actually believe that, but they are more than happy to claim they do
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:53 AM
May 2021

to play the former guys followers.

FreepFryer

(7,086 posts)
2. Agreed. They lie to own libs and they gain permission for personal cruelty when they lie. (Nt)
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:55 AM
May 2021

gab13by13

(31,955 posts)
3. Who gives a shit what those traitors think?
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:56 AM
May 2021

Christ could come down to earth and say that MF45 lost the election and the GQP sheep would believe Hannity.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
12. YOU should. They are rigging elections and election oversight because of what they think
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:47 AM
May 2021

Ignorance is bliss?

RepubliQons have total control of 23 states and state legislatures are rigging it to take total control of three more states. But you don't care what they think.

RepubliQons are gerrymandering to try to take back the House in 2022 to impeach Biden in 2023 and 2024. He doesn't need that headache, so he cares what they think.

RepubliQons are taking voting rights away from Democrats and people of colour, because of what RepubliQons think. Very restrictive bills have passed and been signed into law because of what they think.

The people you dismiss are taking fair elections away from you because of what they think.

Yes, you could give a shit.

NCDem47

(3,414 posts)
17. This is what keeps me up at night.
Tue May 25, 2021, 08:15 AM
May 2021

"RepubliQons have total control of 23 states and state legislatures are rigging it to take total control of three more states."

Republicans are playing a long game that's about to pay dividends for decades. Total minority rule. Blue metro areas in red states will be crushed with overriding state rules and laws meant to supress at scary and undemocratic levels. And don't even get me started on gerrymandering. Sick. To. My. Stomach.

Soooo many people out there (Dems and Rs) with apathy about it all, shrugging off the whole thing as "its poltics. What difference can I make?"

wnylib

(25,694 posts)
28. This is why they are pushing the rigged election lie.
Tue May 25, 2021, 11:52 AM
May 2021

It gives them support for voting changes to suppress the vote under the excuse of makibg voting more "reliable."

lisa58

(5,809 posts)
4. The numbers continue to go down...
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:57 AM
May 2021

Wasn’t it over 70% last month? Just my opinion, but believe the Maricopa audit is helping reveal the ‘crazies’

 

Bullfeathers

(108 posts)
5. I think they
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:57 AM
May 2021

believe the election was stolen not that he is president. I naively thought this thinking would be behind us by now but what do I know

Lovie777

(22,723 posts)
6. This should worry the republicans . . .
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:02 AM
May 2021

they don't have a cool 80% of their dwindling cult, that is why they are enacting sweeping voter suppression laws and uptick on gerrymandering.

bucolic_frolic

(54,812 posts)
7. Delusion and Denial
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:02 AM
May 2021

Facts don't matter. If we replay it in our heads long enough it will change.

Best outcome? They take to drink. Or maybe we should take them out for a drink to jumpstart their rehab. The more the merrier.

denbot

(9,949 posts)
8. They have never believed their "reality", is just has to sound good.
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:06 AM
May 2021

They don’t care, and don’t want a free and open society.

Response to Nexus2 (Original post)

2naSalit

(102,049 posts)
10. Probably good to remember that they have been...
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:29 AM
May 2021

Hemorrhaging members for a while now so this set of "republicans" is now only a fraction of what it was so that is half of what's left of the party.

Ace Rothstein

(3,373 posts)
23. But they keep winning elections with what's left of the party.
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:09 AM
May 2021

We need to stop downplaying this kind of stuff.

Kaleva

(40,320 posts)
14. Living in a world of delusion, they have no chance on formulating a plan that can succeed.
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:56 AM
May 2021

DFW

(60,050 posts)
16. These are the people who believe in the Tooth Fairy at age 52
Tue May 25, 2021, 08:06 AM
May 2021

These are the people who think the film "Independence Day" was a documentary.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,982 posts)
19. IMO the new reality is that we are in a war for our future.
Tue May 25, 2021, 08:31 AM
May 2021

Reconciliation or compromise is IMPOSSIBLE with BatShitCrazedLoons - the sooner everyone realizes that the better.

global1

(26,507 posts)
20. If Over 50% Repugs Believe He Is Still President - Why Do....
Tue May 25, 2021, 08:48 AM
May 2021

63% of them want him to run for president again in 2024? What am I missing?

flying_wahini

(8,268 posts)
22. I know it won't happen but wonder if the SCOTUS came out and made public statements
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:07 AM
May 2021

About the validity of the election if it would make any difference?
I mean they DID hear the arguments.

Or Rudy and Other ones from his top echelon said publicly as a contrition?

Johnny2X2X

(24,046 posts)
24. It's a problem
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:15 AM
May 2021

This is bad for Democracy, that 25% of the country no longer believes in our elections.

Republicans are gambling that they can make their sole platform plank out of this distrust of the elections. They think it's a winner or they wouldn't be doing it. However, I think Dems can find a way to make them pay for this by depressing their votes. Dems need to use this, "it's a rigged system" so why should Reps vote?

I know Dems wouldn't do this, but an army of internet trolls invading all of the Conservative message boards and social media with one simple message would be incredibly effective. The message, "I'm not voting and neither should you, because it's all a rigged system." You could depress Republican turnout significantly with just a 100 person or so troll farm working for the next 18 months. It would be immoral and unethical, but it would be deadly effective.

RVN VET71

(3,183 posts)
25. There were 754 Republicans in this poll.
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:55 AM
May 2021

This does not make the poll invalid. But I’m curious as to the total Republican population the poll assumes. Is the poll’s 53% based on 20,000,000 Republicans? On 75,000,000?

Does anyone know?

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
29. Because most Republicans are frauds.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:36 PM
May 2021

To be a Republican voter today, one has to either be fraudulently and criminally inclined or be so fucking stupid that they don't have the mental capacity to decide anything important that would effect others as well. Republicans are only the hyenas and jackals of the human race that will gleefully rip apart the American People and country to satisfy their blood lust for money and power.

ProfessorGAC

(76,495 posts)
30. I Don't Believe The Independent Number
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:46 PM
May 2021

22% of I's think he's the real president.
I just don't trust this poll.
It doesn't square with the 59-63% approval ratings for Biden.
Let's assume the % of Rs disapproving is in the 90s. We're already at 22% disapproval.
To only lose another 16%, you'd need 38% of I's disapproving. This suggests that if all the Indies that believe T***p is actually POTUS disapprove, the approval among indies is far in excess of the country as a whole.
That doesn't make sense to me.
Given that, I doubt the veracity of the entire poll.

Rhiannon12866

(254,097 posts)
33. Good Grief! I found it impossible to believe for the previous 4 years...
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:18 PM
May 2021

He sure never behaved like any POTUS I remembered - not to mention that he got fewer votes!

spanone

(141,354 posts)
34. Over half of republicons believe in an alternate universe. This does not excuse them....
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:21 PM
May 2021

It only illustrates how fucked up they are.

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