Trump Claims 'Absolute Immunity' for Insurrection

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Trump Claims ‘Absolute Immunity’ for Insurrection

May 25, 2021 at 2:17 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 40 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/05/25/trump-claims-absolute-immunity/

"SNIP......

“Donald Trump’s attorney defended the ex-President’s incendiary speech on January 6, saying he is protected under the First Amendment and had ‘absolute immunity’ while he was President to contest the election,” CNN reports.

“Trump argues in DC District Court that his bully pulpit message to his supporters at the political rally on January 6 — encouraging them to oppose Congress certifying the vote — was a constitutionally protected act of the presidency.”

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[applegrove]

1. Trump's attorney must be worried.

[sop]

10. Yeah, they must really be worried that Kevin McCarthy and others could incriminate Trump during

the upcoming January 6 Commission hearings.

[unblock]

2. They misspelled "concocts"

[applegrove]

3. LOL!

[Hugin]

5. The piece is littered with typos...

For instance, they have 'bully' where they obviously meant 'bulls**t'.

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22. Haha!

[ProudMNDemocrat]

4. Trump a Comedian????

Who knew?



Methinks the DOJ and the 1/6 Commission will come to different conclusions.

[sarcasmo]

9. Trump did a four year stand up act with rallies/live shows and TV specials.

[gratuitous]

6. The mouthpieces have to argue something

Doesn't mean the court has to accept their loony arguments.

[Crunchy Frog]

7. Maybe, but he didn't have the right to weaken Capitol security ahead of time,

Or to delay deployment of the National Guard, or to encourage insurrectionists after the Capitol invasion had started.

Evidence suggests that he was watching the whole thing on his Tee Vee, and doing nothing.

Not to mention whatever higher level institutional arrangements he had put in place.

[Grasswire2]

17. "means, motive, and opportunity"

Aren't those the components of a crime?

[MoriaeEncomium]

26. Weapons, bodies, motive. Yes.

Murder.

[Ohioboy]

23. Yes

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure Trump didn't have the right to go against the Constitution by trying to stop EC certification by sending a mob to the Capitol.

[ScratchCat]

8. Nowhere in The US Constitution

Does it give a sitting President the power to "contest and election" and "oppose the certification of the vote". Its not there. There is no such power or right. The Constitution spells out specifically how the electoral process works - and there is no contingency for the sitting President to encourage citizens to oppose The Constitution.

Ignorance is no argument here. Donald Trump can't argue that he did not intend on what we saw - destruction and death as an attempt to stop the electoral count. This is because there was no way to "oppose" the electoral certification from a Constitutional standpoint. Therefore, the only thing Trump could be encouraging the crowd to do was lawless.

There is NO reason he should not have already been charged with inciting violence. A local Antifa-type has already been charged, tried and convicted of "inciting violence" here in Tallahassee for simply calling on people to stop Trump supporters from storming The Capitol if they tried. There was no violence. But he was charged, tried and convicted. For inciting violence that didn't happen. Didn't even make national news.

[bucolic_frolic]

32. Trump knows from his long court record as a landlord

that law is mere paper and ink, and it's the enforcement of the law where the rubber meets the road. He's betting, as he always has, that there is no will to hold him accountable to the rule of law.

[chocolatpi]

38. sad and true

[no_hypocrisy]

11. Memo: You're not President NOW, Skippy . . . . .

[2naSalit]

12. Yeah... NO!

[rsdsharp]

13. This has got to be another example of attorneys doing what Trump tells them to do.

As an attorney, you have an ethical obligation to zealously represent your client within the bounds of the law, and the ethical rules. When your client comes up with a dumb ass argument, and tells you to make it, you have an ethical obligation to refuse, and explain why you can’t do what they want. If they insist, you have to fire them as a client, and withdraw from the case if it is pending in court. And yet these fools keep arguing “absolute immunity,” which does not exist.

[Justice matters.]

33. And not getting paid for.

Must be another repug gogeter for the lifelong conman soon to be thrown under the bus.

[rsdsharp]

43. At this point, any attorney who works for Trump without

a retainer gets what they deserve.

[pandr32]

14. Contesting an election is one thing

...and plotting to overthrow the government and will of the people to declare yourself still in power is something else entirely.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

15. Well said...

[John Ludi]

16. He can claim

anything his corpulent little heart desires...but that doesn't make it true.

I can claim that I can fly and set fires with my mind...but that doesn't make it true either.

[global1]

18. His Actions While The Capitol Insurrection Was Going On - After His Speech Needs To Be Investigated.

After his speech - where did he go? He didn't march with the crowd.

Where did he position himself?

Who was he with?

Why are there no pics of him while the Capitol was being breached? Did he prevent any media coverage after his speech? If he did - why?

We've heard that he was glued to a TV watching the 'Capitol carnage'.

During that period didn't McCarthy talk to him?

Who else might have talked with him?

Why do we have so little info about that period of time after his speech to the crowd on 1/6/2021?

Where was the MSM? Why aren't they asking these questions?

This needs to be investigated?

Was he directing the coup?

Ben Sasse was saying that the former was gleeful watching the attack on our Capitol.

Who did he hear that from?

How did he know that?

Who was in the room with him as he was watching it on TV? His kids were there before and during the speech. Was Rudy there? Was Michael Flynn there? Where were the other speakers that addressed the crowd that day?

How many people tried to get him to stop the rampage? Did anybody try to get him to stop the rampage?

What about any pre-planning for this Capitol breach/insurrection? Who was involved in these pre-planning meetings? I recall Roger Stone being at the Tr**p Hotel the day before? Who was he with? Who else was present? Were the former's kids there?

There are many questions that need to be answered. These above are just a few of them.

Put everybody that was with him in front of a 1/6 commission.

He doesn't have 'absolute immunity' for his actions - during the actual Capitol breach. He was Commander-In-Chief. He had the responsibility to protect the Capitol. He should have immediately taken action to stop it. Instead he watch it unfold on TV and I believe he pulled the plug when he knew that this coup was going to fail. He needed to make it look like he cared. And guess what - he wasn't successful at doing that either.

[Dan]

21. there are times like this, that I wish we had the Russian system of justice.

...

I wish StarfishSaver would weight in on this.

[kentuck]

19. He's lying again!

He has no more immunity than you or I.

Considering his position, he should have less.

[SoonerPride]

20. Good luck with that.

hey trump, go fuck yourself.

[llmart]

24. Breaking News...

llmart claims to be the Queen of England and Elizabeth needs to start packing her bags BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

25. Sure Donny

[bucolic_frolic]

27. The gaping hole in that logic is it would thereafter be normal

so we could all storm Congress anytime some blowhard told us to

[GB_RN]

28. I Believe That The SCOTUS

Already shot down his claims about absolute immunity in another case. I really don’t think they’ll go there again.

[monkeyman1]

29. " HEY ,DONNY , WHO IS WRITING YOUR MATERIAL " ????

[nolabear]

30. And I am Marie of Romania.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

31. Strictly hypothetical, but does that mean...

... Biden could publicly declare that Trump was a terrorist who needed to be eradicated by a patriot citizen?

Hypothetical, of course.

[tanyev]

34. And he's got a card to guarantee it!

[Justice matters.]

35. "Absolute Immunity" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Where does he find those working-for-free attorneys???

R they waiting in line one after the next to get thrown under the bus for NO pay???

[Buckeye_Democrat]

36. It's often those kinds of absolute terms...

... from Trump and his current cronies.

Only he can fix it, and the like.

Omarosa back in the day, declaring Trump to be "the most powerful man in the Universe" and that all of his critics would be forced to "bow down" to him:

If any Democratic politician ever talked like that, I'd work to replace them!

[Crunchy Frog]

39. OMAROSA!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

40. Lol, thanks!

He did a great job with the Oklahoma parody! Accurate modification of the lyrics too!

[marble falls]

37. Who needs "absolute immunity" for something they didn't do?

[Initech]

41. Oh wait, he's serious?

[spanone]

42. claim on mtherfcker

there's a new sheriff in town