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(58,785 posts)and 2020 has my support.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Her "bowl of shit" insult about Joe Biden was unforgivable... she was, in effect, telling voters that Biden was just as bad as Trump. (Now... WHERE have we heard comments like THAT before?)
Things like that to not serve any good purpose.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5
betsuni
(27,245 posts)Democrats being "ideologically bankrupt" and corrupt because all they think about is money, that anyone working for corporations or financial companies donating to elect Democrats was corrupting? What the hell was that about?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,702 posts)Maya Wiley for Mayor of NYC.
With all due respect for Ms. Wiley, whom I do respect (but isn't my top candidate), zip it Katie Porter.
I'm sorry, but NYC isn't her business. Ohio isn't her business. This is hubris.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)helpisontheway
(5,176 posts)Nina Turner is exactly like Susan Sarandon and the other Bernie or bust crowd. They wanted Bernie or they would try to destroy the party.
Trueblue1968
(17,887 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)womanofthehills
(9,162 posts)I can see Katie liking the more progressive candidate.
Further underscoring that contrast, both candidates offered sharply divergent statements this week as violence escalated between Israel and Hamas. In times like these the United States must stand firmly behind our close ally Israel, Brown said in comments to Jewish Insider on Wednesday, while urging all sides, regardless of fault, to exercise restraint and de-escalate the crisis.
Hamass massive rocket attacks are deeply troubling and must stop, Brown added. Hamas is placing civilians on both sides at risk. Israel has the right to defend its citizens in the face of these attacks. Israeli families should never have to spend the night in a bomb shelter.
Turner, on the oth er hand, positioned herself firmly on the side of the Palestinians. Solidarity is a verb, Turner declared in a briefly worded Twitter message, adding a raised-fist emoji to the end of her comment. https://jewishinsider.com/2021/05/nina-turner-and-shontel-brown-diverge-on-israel-gaza-conflict/So
Cha
(304,047 posts)candidate who said on July 28, 2020 that voting for Biden is like eating shit"?
And, trying to start a 3rd party but failing.. ?
Bernie Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating S**t
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in 2016, 2018 and 2020? Knowing that that would benefit Trump and other Republicans in those elections.
Cha
(304,047 posts)She started the people's party..'
https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-is-in/
Hey Nina .. We "Give A Shit about People" and so does President Joe Biden! If you would pay attention.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Antagonism on the farther left toward the dominant liberal mainstream has the same kind of irrational, from-the-gut foundation as the antagonism of the trumpists. The rest follows.
Nothing new here.
George II
(67,782 posts)PS - solidarity is a noun.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Arazi
(6,882 posts)BannonsLiver
(17,629 posts)She's said so herself.
Arazi
(6,882 posts)ChrisF1961
(457 posts)She's not "on the ticket as a Dem" unless she wins the primary.
Arazi
(6,882 posts)#semantics
ChrisF1961
(457 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)She herself has said she isnt a democrat. Running under the larty doesnt make one a dem either in my book. It means she is a hypocrat.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)I have seen very little evidence that she is a democrat
Autumn
(45,920 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,920 posts)Sorry you don't understand what I said. As far as replies go, it's a fairly easy sentence to understand.
George II
(67,782 posts)But I'll ask again, what does that have to do with the filibuster?
Autumn
(45,920 posts)dansolo
(5,379 posts)You know, the former Green Party member who won't support killing the filibuster.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)And have as much popcorn as you like.
She herself has declared that she isnt a democrat. Why you want to hassle me about it escapes me. Take her word for it.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)not my first rodeo.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)It's not my first rodeo either.
Response to Autumn (Reply #135)
CrackityJones75 This message was self-deleted by its author.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)JFC you wanna see my hall pass too? Fucking hell I have better things to do than argue about whether or not nina fucking turner is a democrat or not. Shes garvage who doesnt deserve any help from the democrats whatsoever. A complete and total waste of our resources. If you wanna support that clown go right ahead. And have your say about it too. I wont follow you around and dissect every word you utter about it either.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)Man, that fucking filibuster is killing us isn't it.
Didn't ask for a hall pass, made one comment to a random post. Bye, have a nice day
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,661 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Dont take my word for it. Take hers!
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,661 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Has Nina apologized for campaigning against Joe Biden and telling people that voting for the Democratic Party is like eating shit? Where is the admission from Nina that campaigning and voting for Jill stein was a mistake? Has Nina apologized for her comments about voting for actual Democrats being like eating shit?
I would love to ninas apologies. Please post links to these apologies.
Why would real members of the Democratic Party be comfortable voting for a Just Us Semocrat and a member of a third party??
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....back in 2016, she openly pointed out that she voted for Jill Stein, and when asked if she would support Joe Biden she responded by claiming he was a half bowl of shit, trump being the other half of that bowl.
She may call herself a Democrat, but she has demonstrated that she's much less of a Democrat over the years than her toughest opponent in the primary.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)Or did I miss something.
George II
(67,782 posts).....with Jill Stein as her VP.
What you might have missed is that she didn't vote for the Democratic candidate, but DID vote for Jill Stein and, when asked last year if she voted 3rd party she coyly said (paraphrasing) "who I voted for is my business". She did speak at the so-called "People's Convention" with Jill Stein in July 2016, days after our convention ended. Did she "pal around" with OUR nominee that week, or just OUR nominee's opponent?
You may have also missed this now infamous quote of her when assessing the choice of voting for trump or Biden:
"You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all youve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing. Its still shit.
Is this the kind of "Democrat" you want to see in Congress?
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)I have not missed any of those things, but thanks for thinking of me.
George II
(67,782 posts)....the remainder of the campaign.
More importantly, she did NOT vote for the Democratic ticket.
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)you missed a lot.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)But I am going to get trolled here because I pointed out that she is a hypocrite.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,661 posts)Katie Porter is a great Democrat! And she knows another great Democrat when she sees one!
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Has Nina apologized for campaigning and voting for Jill Stein. What is the evidenced that Nina has changed?
I look forward to seeing your evidence that Nina has changed
George II
(67,782 posts)....to answer.
Says quite a bit. And, considering her famous quote comparing trump and Biden, I'm sure she didn't vote for Biden either.
George II
(67,782 posts)....who was a "Goldwater Girl" in high school more than 50 years ago.
betsuni
(27,245 posts)for a Republican, means one can never, ever change and must remain an evil Republican for all eternity. It is a scientific fact!
What happened in the '60s is current events, not ancient history, but calling Democrats corrupt, immoral, evil, bribed, same as Republicans, right up until one is forced to run as a Democrat because you'll lose as a third party candidate (in this case 2021): ancient history. You just change lanes and claim you're the true Democrat, more Democratic than Democrats.
Nobody's falling for that.
George II
(67,782 posts)....who was a "Goldwater Girl" in high school more than 50 years ago.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15469174
Line?
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)TwilightZone
(27,363 posts)And for the same reasons. It's the only real path to a win. It's for political expediency, including access to party resources and support.
He serves in Congress and runs his Congressional campaigns as an independent and also identifies as same.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,661 posts)sheshe2
(86,755 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)TwilightZone
(27,363 posts)In context, it's a meaningless assertion.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Sorry but that is bullshit. If we allow that to happen we will not have a party. There is having a big tent and there is allowing others to completely undermine and destroy the padty from within. If you declare yourself to NOT be a democrat you damn well should NOT run or even be allowed to run as a democrat. If you refer to the party leaders as a half a bowl of shit you are not a member of my party. If you peddle lies and tight wing talking points you are not a member of my party.
The part HAS to stand for something and mean something and the platform has to be adopted by its members. If not then we will not ever be able to deliver on anything.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Democratic Party ideals do sometimes run as Democrats in blue districts, disguising their true views to get power.
Turner admitted she refused to vote Democratic in 2016 and openly advised everyone to leave the party -- and has continued ever since (except right now).
She sees weakening the Democratic Party as necessary to protect progressivism in government from both the Democratic Party that created it and the Republican Party determined to destroy progressive government.
It's also apparently her way of protecting her vote as a black woman from the rising racist, misogynistic fascism of the Republican Party.
A noble cause in her mind no doubt.
George II
(67,782 posts)...."our People's Party isn't registered in Ohio yet, so I HAVE to run as a Democrat (caps mine). She went out of her way to point out that she's only reluctantly running as a Democrat.
That's not the kind of "democrat" that I'd be willing to vote for considering there is a highly qualified, talented, and LOYAL Democrat on the primary ballot.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...."People's Party" registered in Ohio. So, as she put it, "I HAVE to run as a Democrat."
She's also the person that said about the choice between Biden and trump:
"You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all youve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing. Its still shit."
JanMichael
(25,157 posts)As moderately reactionary as some folks are here now I can't imagine seeing that happen. I mean I can.
Cancel Katie!!!!!
FelineOverlord
(3,740 posts)I will not cancel Katie. I still appreciate her and her whiteboard.
But there are far better candidates who are REAL Democrats and not so toxic.
womanofthehills
(9,162 posts)Nina has pushed buttons but is more in line with the Squad - more progressive on Green New Deal and Medicare for all than Brown.
BannonsLiver
(17,629 posts)What a huge lapse in judgement, but if this is the way she really feels, maybe I read her wrong to begin with. Either way, buh-bye.
Cha
(304,047 posts)who the fuck knew?!
womanofthehills
(9,162 posts)Turner has already scored endorsements from progressive powerhouses including Sanders and Reps. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.), Cori Bush (D-Mo.), Pramila Jayapal (D-Wa.), Mondaire Jones (D-N.Y.), Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), Andy Levin (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y), Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.).
Individual endorsers include former Kentucky state lawmaker Charles Booker, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert Reich, 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson, Birmingham Mayor Randall Woodfin, and a host of faith leaders.
Actors and activists Danny Glover, Mark Ruffalo, and Susan Sarandon have also endorsed Turner.
She has also been endorsed by organizations including numerous unions and environmental groups, Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, Progressive Democrats of America, Roots Action, and the Working Families Party.
Doremus
(7,263 posts)How dare they have any thoughts or opinions contrary to centrist/moderate philosophy!
Begone! We only want loyal (mute) followers in our gargantuan tent! /s
BannonsLiver
(17,629 posts)Its a cavalcade of people who are bad at politics, anyway. Not impressed at all.
BannonsLiver
(17,629 posts)sheshe2
(86,755 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,847 posts)"Disappointing" is a massive understatement. Hopefully, the people of that district will show better sense at the ballot box than this.
OnDoutside
(20,600 posts)multigraincracker
(33,835 posts)and explain. Until then, I won't judge her.
HUAJIAO
(2,532 posts)dalton99a
(83,700 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(23,610 posts)Bev54
(11,735 posts)that she is endorsing Nina Turner. I wonder if she will reply.
Bev54
(11,735 posts)but the reply was from one of her volunteers so she was unable to provide me her reasoning.
Cha
(304,047 posts)is like eating shit.." & this was on July 28, 2020.. There is no reasoning, imv.
Bernie Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating S**t
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5
Bev54
(11,735 posts)have her explain her endorsement. I am not on twitter so if you or anyone else here is on twitter, can you please send her a tweet and ask her to explain her reasoning for the endorsement. I did tell the volunteer that most of the reaction to it, appears to be negative. If someone does tweet and she answers, please let me know what she says.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)womanofthehills
(9,162 posts)And is the projected winner.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Nina is not a real Democrat. Here is her speech at the Peoples Party convention. Good luck in convincing people to vote for a Jill Stein supporter who called Joe Biden some nasty names
Link to tweet
George II
(67,782 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)It was so amusing that I laughed at it
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)womanofthehills
(9,162 posts)Nina Turner has raised a total of $2.2 million so far for her bid to succeed Marcia Fudge in Congress, while another leading candidate, Shontel Brown, has brought in $680,0000.
Turner, a former state senator and Cleveland City Council member, has developed a national profile as a leading Bernie Sanders supporter, and the campaign has pulled in donations from all 50 states and Washington, D.C., with California as the top contributing state, followed by Ohio.
According to the campaign, Turner also has received contributions from every ZIP code in the 11th Congressional District, which reaches from Cleveland to Akron.
Brown, a county council member and chair of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party, has collected endorsements from many local elected Democrats and construction labor unions. More than half of her contributions have come from Northeast Ohio, according to the campaign. https://www.ideastream.org/news/nina-turner-raises-22-million-for-congressional-campaign
mcar
(43,327 posts)The primary hasn't happened yet.
happybird
(5,022 posts)Is there verification of this or just a tweet from someone without a blue check by their Twitter handle?
It seems very out of character for Katie.
SharonClark
(10,244 posts)Other Endorsements
Attorney General Keith Ellison
Robert Reich, Former Secretary of Labor
Mayor of Birmingham Randall Woodfin
Former Kentucky State Rep. Charles Booker
Marianne Williamson
Andrew Yang
Danny Glover
Michael Render
Mark Ruffalo
Stephen Bishop
Susan Sarandon
Morgan Harper
WhiskeyGrinder
(23,610 posts)mcar
(43,327 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)mcar
(43,327 posts)We need to keep 3rd party voter Nina Turner out of congress.
OnDoutside
(20,600 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)OnDoutside
(20,600 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)is like shit".. &l this was after the primary..
Bernie Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating S**t
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,661 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)How does campaigning for and voting for Jill Stein make Nina any type of Democrat? How does stating that voting for the clear and overwhelming winner of the Democratic nomination process is like eating shit makes Nina any type of Democrat? How is Nina a great Democrat? I would love an explanation. How do you define great?
Cha
(304,047 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(17,832 posts)First two pages of Google search only have one other tweet mentioning this, and this DU thread.
A lie travels around the world before the truth can get its pants on.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Response to Budi (Reply #33)
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)RegularJam
(914 posts)Thought it was one of my funnier posts.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Whoosh!
TomSlick
(11,692 posts)We do well in conversation sensing sarcasm. However, without tone of voice, facial expressions, or other cues in posts it its difficult to know if a post is meant to be sarcastic. As a frequent users of sarcasm, I have learned to include "To the extent needed, ."
It is a violation of the rules to personally attack Democratic figures, even those with whom we disagree. Questioning the veracity of a Democratic figure is a personal attack. If the rule applies to President Biden, it also applies to other public figures who identify themselves as Democrats.
WhiskeyGrinder
(23,610 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)& this was on July 28, 2020..
Bernie Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating S**t
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5
What the hell is Porter thinking?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,661 posts)RegularJam
(914 posts)Still love me some Katie Porter.
PortTack
(34,248 posts)I could just see her voting against Bidens agenda continuously
womanofthehills
(9,162 posts)You guys never talk about either candidates policies. So you like Browns love of Israel despite Israel bombing apts and killing babies in their beds and demolishing the press building over the suffering of the Palestine people - then I guess Shantell Brown is your person.
George II
(67,782 posts)https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/how-trump-could-win-reelection/612205/
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)Because that was the question. It wasn't asking for the 30th posting of the bowl of shit statement.
George II
(67,782 posts)progressoid
(50,597 posts)On February 28, 2017, Brown deemed recusal unnecessary and voted with her colleagues to give a nearly $7 million contract to Perk. Ten weeks later, one of the firms owners helped organize a fundraiser that bankrolled a significant portion of her reelection campaign, making an in-kind donation of $2,000 at a fundraiser for Brown that netted her over $7,000, a significant sum in the low-budget world of Cleveland-area council races. In total, she has approved more than $17 million to Perk and has received $13,000 in campaign donations from the Perkins family and Perks current owners, the Cifani family.
Perk was co-founded by Charles Perkins, the uncle of Browns longtime partner Mark. Perks current owners, the Cifani family, have been generous supporters of her campaigns for office. Brown received campaign contributions from the Perkins and Cifani families in her low-budget campaigns for county council and, before that, for city council in the Cleveland suburb of Warrensville Heights, where both she and her mentor, Marcia Fudge, got their political starts.
Yikes. That's the kind of stuff we normally chastise the GOP for.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,661 posts)progressoid
(50,597 posts)She has also been asked to step down as local chair.
https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/02/shontel-brown-must-resign-as-cuyahoga-county-democratic-party-chair.html
George II
(67,782 posts)Metatron
(1,260 posts)first hit is from the Intercept. I didn't waste my time after that. No wonder no source was included.
George II
(67,782 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)You might want to alert on the post. Hmmm, right?
George II
(67,782 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I don't have a problem with the piece, regardless of your opinion of the Intercept. Have a nice day.
George II
(67,782 posts)progressoid
(50,597 posts)It was a simple oversight.
If you don't like that source, perhaps the Cleveland Plain Dealer
Updated Feb 19, 2021; Posted Feb 19, 2021
The Democratic Party wields enormous political power in Cuyahoga County, often deciding elections with its endorsements, when voters go armed into polling places with the party card of preferred candidates. But Shontel Brown, as chair of the county party, and buttressed by a leadership group loyal to her, exercises even greater power to pick intraparty winners and losers.
By controlling the partys apparatus, Brown and her leadership team have the biggest say in which candidates get the backing, the money, the time and the endorsements of local labor and elected officials. They can influence, as well, who has the biggest ins with precinct clubs and other voter groups.
Thats why Brown must step down immediately as chair of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party in light of her long-announced candidacy for Congress.
She should have done so months ago -- as soon as she said in early December that she was running to replace her mentor, U.S. Rep. Marcia Fudge, in Ohios 11th Congressional District. Fudge is the Biden administrations choice as U.S. secretary of housing and urban development.
Fudges gold-plated Democratic district picks up parts of Greater Cleveland and Akron, so the Democratic primary field to replace her is already large and could get larger, since whoever wins the Democratic primary will almost certainly win the seat.
In deciding the winner of that Democratic primary contest, the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party chair will play a large role.
Brown is already doing so now -- improperly, in her own favor.
more...https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/02/shontel-brown-must-resign-as-cuyahoga-county-democratic-party-chair.html
progressoid
(50,597 posts)I was in a hurry because, well, life.
So the article is here:
https://theintercept.com/2021/04/14/cleveland-cuyahoga-shontel-brown-contracts-nina-turner/
Written by these two guys:
Matthew Cunningham-Cook is a writer and researcher with expertise in health care, retirement policy, and capital markets. A contributor to The Intercept, he is a researcher for a nurses union in Pennsylvania. He was previously a public sector researcher for the Communications Workers of America, and has written for The Nation, Al Jazeera, and In These Times.
Sam Allard is the senior writer at Cleveland Scene Magazine, where he reports on politics, power, and justice in northeast Ohio. He is a graduate of the Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern University and the NEOMFA at Cleveland State. Prior to Scene, he was a reporting fellow at the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project in Sarajevo. His work has appeared in Vice and Slate and is forthcoming in Esquire.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)for when the Primary Porter bullshit starts.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Something my mother used to say about jumping off a bridge comes to mind. But she stopped having to say it when I became an adult.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)don't adore who I adore. It's such a waste of time.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)The problem isn't that anyone hates her. The problem is that she hates Democrats.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)We need all the Democrats we can get.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And her past behavior and comments, including her hateful attacks on Joe Biden are complete disqualifiers for me - especially since she's running against a strong Democrat without that baggage. I don't trust her any further than I can throw her - I don't care what Katie Porter says.
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)onenote
(44,137 posts)Don't be fooled by her. She's doesn't want to be a Democrat. And she isn't one.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)than a couple of them.
You can't run in a Democratic party without registering as a Democrat. This does not mean she won't run as the Peoples Party or some such once elected.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)rofl: I'm not jumping off a bridge, I'm going to support a couple of Democrats. Like it or not Katie Porter is a Democrat, so is Nina Turner. Personaly the concept of hating someone I don't know is a foreign concept to me, yet many do. I trust Katie Porter's judgment. But I am petty enough that based on the people dragging on her now who adored her before she actualy did what she thought was best to do.
I'm a big fan of schadenfreude. And I might OD on it today
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)The other person you are supporting is not a Democrat. She is a person who has been openly hostile to Democrats and has worked against us but is running in the Democratic primary AGAINST a Democrat.
It's funny that you referred to "hating someone you don't know." I never said anything about hate. I just pointed out that you have decided to support someone in a race you probably know very little about because one person you like supports them without having a clue about the person she's running against or whether she'd be better than the candidate you've decided to send money to.
And then you bragged about it as if that's something to be proud of instead of something representative of the kind of lemming-like behavior we laugh at when engaged in by clueless, uniformed people on the other side.
Fortunately, Democrats in Cleveland are more discerning and aren't likely to be fooled into supporting the opportunist in Democratic clothing solely because a Congresswoman from California likes her for some reason.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I concur with you.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)She is amazing
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)or flat out saying she doesn't have their support anymore. I stand with Katie.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)I stand with her too.
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)She is amazing
Me, I have been very impressed with Katie. Here I think she made a misstep.
Now please give a more rounded example of Nina's qualifications. I await your long list of accomplishments.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)Since both are Dems I will support and donate to the one I prefer and that's the one Katie Porter endorsed.
No need to wait she, you will be waiting a long, long time.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Compare and contrast. Please be specific.
womanofthehills
(9,162 posts)She can join the squad. We need more progressives in Congress. Actually, Brown is way way behind in fundraising. I myself prefer a candidate who will fight for Medicare for all and the Green New Deal. Im also definitely not into a pro-Israel candidate.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)is so much better her job than AOC because she's not a progressive. I should ask him what he think now huh. I started paying attention to her .
maliaSmith
(80 posts)So disgusted that Katie Porter, a woman I have a lot of respect for, endorsed Nina Turner. Nina is full of hate for most Democrats including President Biden and most eveyone else except Bernie.
If I could vote in Ohio election, I would never vote for her. Come on Katie. What's going on in your mind to endorse that woman.
jalan48
(14,257 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)and didn't say ".. Voting for Pres Biden is like eating shit.." like nina turner did on July 28, 2020..
Bernie Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating S**t
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5
jalan48
(14,257 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)What does something that Turner said have to do with Brown being a progressive?
And, on point, Do progressives support Israel in what they are doing with their bombings and not support MFA? Because Brown might want to check their notes on what they support if they are going to try to claim to be progressive.
Cha
(304,047 posts)That's Not "progressive".
Bernie Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating S**t
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)Was it a good thing to say? No. Does her saying it mean she isn't progressive? Also no. Also a non sequitur.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)I would prefer that a real Democrat be the partys nominee and not a Just Us Democrat/third party founder who campaigned for and voted for Jill Stein. Merely being a progressive does not mean that Nina would represent this district. Nina is a founding member of that populist third party and is not loyal to the Democratic Party
Nina is running to be the nominee of the DEMOCRATIC Party and not her populist part.y or the Just Us Democrats. I do not trust Just Us Democrats
Cha
(304,047 posts)her.. that's just a label.
She's Divisive.. trying to start a 3rd party right before the most important election of our lifetime.
https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-is-in/
Hey Nina .. We "Give A Shit about People" and so does President Joe Biden! If you would pay attention.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)betsuni
(27,245 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)The progressives voted for Biden. The Qanon right is NEVER going to vote for Biden or a Dem. You don't even need an ad for them. I don't think this gets the traction you think it will.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Russia used a number of tools in 2016 including promoting sanders to depress Democratic voter turnout. The release of the hacked emails and other materials by Russia/wikileakes helped depress turnout or to help Jill Stein. The GOP will use this material if Nina is the nominee to depress the turnout of normal or regular democrats.
A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump. Nina helped to elect trump in 2016 by campaigning for and voting for Stein
Just Us Democrats are only able to win in deep blue districts and cannot win in competitive districts. The GOP will be able to use these materials to make this race very competitive if Nina is the nominee
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in 2016 had huge impact we're still in great danger from. There's a tremendous dissonance between what she said she's for and what she did. She flipped from supporting progressive policies to actively helping to defeat the party determined to enact those policies and elect those who promised to destroy them.
Now she insists she's back to supporting, but she still shows all the same signs and behaviors of 2015-2020.
Instability of purpose and extreme, dysfunctional reactions are a common pattern on the far left and right.
Also extremely common is turning and attacking their own ideological ankle when it offends them. That's why that third party they're trying to form will eventually self destruct even if they briefly get it off the ground, as has happened a few times over the past century.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)great tweets.. TY!
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)... of letting perfect or good be the enemy of adequate and then not live up to her own purity metrics.
George II
(67,782 posts)....I'm going to HAVE to run for the Democratic nomination" (highlighting is mine)
So she's reluctantly running as a Democrat, she'd much rather run under her own party.
I wonder if Katie Porter was aware of Turner's characterization of Joe Biden, now PRESIDENT Biden, as a half-bowl of shit?
BannonsLiver
(17,629 posts)They have several years. Even the Green Party imbeciles/nut jobs manage to get on the ballot most places. Im not sure the Peoples Party could organize a trip to the mailbox at this point.
George II
(67,782 posts)....registered his "Connecticut for Lieberman" party in a matter of a few weeks.
But it takes signatures on a petition. If Turner couldn't get enough signatures to register a party, how will she do against the highly accomplished and capable Shontel Brown?
Cha
(304,047 posts)betsuni
(27,245 posts)After all, we were too stupid to see that the Democratic Party is so evil and corrupt that Jill Stein was the only choice in 2016, and in 2020 is a bowl of shit.
I still snicker at the big fuss she made about being "seduced by donuts and water" by the DNC.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)Don't think we got it the first time around.
Cha
(304,047 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)is loved and respected by OH District 11 endorsing Shontle Brown will be Awesome!
Democratic Party and serves on the County Council.
Over the last 10 years, Shontel Brown has developed a personal and professional rapport with Congresswoman Marcia Fudge. Through this relationship, Shontel has developed strong Democratic values and thoroughly understands the history and needs of the 11th Congressional District.
https://shontelbrown.com/
betsuni
(27,245 posts)One would think.
Cha
(304,047 posts)starting a 3rd Party right before the Most Important Election in History!
https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-is-in/
Hey Nina .. We "Give A Shit about People" and so does President Joe Biden! If you would pay attention.
Budi
(15,325 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Has Nina apologized for campaigning and voting for Jill Stein? Has Nina apologized hor her rants about voting for the clear winner of the Democratic nomination being like eating shit? Why should actual members of the Democratic Party vote for someone who helped the former guy win in 2016 and who attacked out nominee in 2020?
BTW why should someone who is a founding member of a third party and who is a member of the Just Us Democrats be the nominee of the party? Should the nominee of the party be a real member of the Democratic Party?
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
OnDoutside
(20,600 posts)lution Time."
A-a--a-a-lrighty .....
betsuni
(27,245 posts)sheshe2
(86,755 posts)slay:
kill (a person or animal) in a violent way
We don't need this kind of rhetoric in our congress. She may be running as a Dem...the only way she can run in our primary for money and media. She has said outright that she is not a Dem and voted Jill Stein. She claims The new Peoples Party as her own.
This is not who we are, so much explosive anger is not healthy for this nation.
betsuni
(27,245 posts)Hilarious! Like saying the Jan. 6 attack on the capitol was just what tourists usually do.
Also hilarious is how someone who promoted Jill Stein and helped form a new third party and called Job Biden a bowl of shit, refused to vote for the Democratic presidential candidates because they're just as bad as Republicans, is now a nice regular Democrat. Still don't know what the hell is "neoliberal" about the Democratic Party.
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)We have enough Greene's in congress. We don't need another.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)aocommunalpunch
(4,358 posts)And just like that, support for Rep. Porter disappears. Just nuts.
RandiFan1290
(6,361 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Autumn
(45,920 posts)She is amazing
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Autumn
(45,920 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Autumn
(45,920 posts)But I would think that as smart as Katie Porter, she's a law professor you know, she would have done her homework. She kills when she's going after Republicans.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Autumn
(45,920 posts)I have found when some people hate certain groups or consider them to be horrible, like the Justice Democrats, I give them a second look and see where they are coming from and I usualy find domething they have done that is good. Kind of like we do with conservative Democrats from red states.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)I am on the Just Us Democrat mailing list and their emails are extremely sad. These emails are so bad that they are funny I was glad the Just Us dem lost her primary in Texas because she would lost if she was the general election candidate. Again theJust Us Democrats daily emails are so bad that they are funny.
Tina voted and campaigned for Jill Stein and attacked Joe Biden after Joe easily won the nomination. Porter support of turner is a bad move.
Autumn
(45,920 posts)I stand with Katie Porter. Justice Democrats also supported Neera Tanden for OMB director
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)What had the Just Dems accomplished?
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)The emails from the Just Us Democrats list no accomplishments. Why should any real Democrat vote for the Just Us Democrats?
George II
(67,782 posts)betsuni
(27,245 posts)for years. And PACs. But money in politics (status quo) and being establishment and so on is different if it's you (the pure and self-righteous).
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Autumn
(45,920 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Did Nina attend this event?
Autumn
(45,920 posts)Go find someone else to harass You are going through my posts here and responding to them, sometimes twice. That's so silly and petty. You are not winning me over to Brown's side, I will support the Democrat of my choice.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)So Nina either was not invited or decided that she would not attend an event with the most popular person in the Democratic Party
Autumn
(45,920 posts)your question, which I'm sure you do, you are just trolling. Now I'm going to put you back on ignore.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)The thesis/premise of this thread is that contrary to all evidence, Nina is supposed to be a member of the Democratic Party solely based on the endorsement of another member of the Just Us Democrat faction. If Nina become the nominee of the party, she will need help from Biden and the party to win a general election contest in a special election contest. You do understand that special elections are low turnout elections and a candidate who is not on good terms with the most popular member of the party will have issues winning a special election in the real world.
I have a feeling that the nominee of the party will be better off having Joe Biden campaign for her compared to having a Just Us Democrat from California campaigning for her.
It is important that we win this special election and I hope that our nominee will be able to campaign with help from the party and not rely solely on Just Us Democrats.
George II
(67,782 posts)https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/
So apparently she's not interested in bringing a DEMOCRAT to Congress, but a "friend of the People's Party"!!!
On the other hand we have the most accomplished Democrat who DID attend the event today:
Link to tweet
George II
(67,782 posts)...so she could serve on that committee and two other committees?
oasis
(51,462 posts)womanofthehills
(9,162 posts)And the candidate who is lukewarm on Medicare for all????
George II
(67,782 posts)....supporting Israel?
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)How did you miss that?
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)Bernie Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating S**t
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5
Turner was so Wrong.
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)They never bother to hold her responsible for that vicious statement, Cha.
betsuni
(27,245 posts)Voting for a Democrat? For Joe Biden? Even more moronic than "lesser of two evils." Conspiracy theories and massive stupidity.
BootinUp
(48,613 posts)kcr
(15,503 posts)Very disappointing.
Sunsky
(1,862 posts)She is certainly not displaying it here. Nina Turner can herself go eat sh*t. She is not a Democrat. I hate when people use the party name for their own political gain. She has on multiple occasions, voted against and encourage others to vote against Democratic candidates. What is Katie Porter thinking? Turner seems to be a selfish person who lashes out if things do not go her way. If we were all like Nina Turner, there'd still be a President Trump.
pecosbob
(7,892 posts)Luciferous
(6,221 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)Oh, yeah, that actually makes sense.
Plus, all the people in here that are on the Turner hate train would 100% have jumped on Turned if she made the "sanity" comment, but somehow it seems to get a pass from most everyone here.
BannonsLiver
(17,629 posts)Case closed. Take a seat, bruh.
George II
(67,782 posts)....her people's party wasn't registered in Ohio yet.
Yeah, that's the kind of Democrat we need in the House.
BannonsLiver
(17,629 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)And I'm not planning to take a seat. Unless you were somehow recently made the internet monitor.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)TY Rt!
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)We do not need a candidate that likens voting for Biden to eating a bowl of shit. Do we? Do we need this in congress? Do we? The answer should be No. Hell No.
This is not who we are or where we wish to go moving forward. I love Katie. However she made a huge mistake endorsing this divisive figure who by her own words is only running as a Dem because her party, The Peoples Party is not on the ballot. THESE ARE HER OWN WORDS.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,160 posts)Solid. Nice tactic.
sheshe2
(86,755 posts)I don't believe Nina is the 'entire progressive wing of the party' and I made no such comparison. I was speaking about one person and one person only...that would be Nina.
If you are okay with her words about our Democratically elected President, then by all means throw your support behind her.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,436 posts)within the party. She's made quite clear, over the years, just how she feels about the Democratic party. I hope she is soundly defeated by Shontel, so that she finally gets the message that we don't care for her any more than she cares for us.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Doremus
(7,263 posts)Haven't seen a single one for her opponent(s).
Nina represented this area for years and her former constituents here know how hard she fights for us.
Anyway, thanks for the reminder to send her another donation.
George II
(67,782 posts)Bettie
(16,831 posts)however, I also disagree with politicians on a regular basis.
I disagree with a lot of people on a regular basis.
What I don't do is say they are dead to me the second I disagree with them.
Katie Porter is amazing, she's a force to be reckoned with in congress.
So, you disagree with her about this, big freaking deal.
Only petty fanatics do that
Luciferous
(6,221 posts)progressoid
(50,597 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,661 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Has Nina apologized for comparing voting for the clear and overwhelming winner of the Democratic nomination to eating shit? How can one be a great Democrat when they are a founding member of a third party?
I look forward to seeing ninas apology
Bleacher Creature
(11,387 posts)Sigh.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)oasis
(51,462 posts)Our new HUD Sec. Fudge of OHIO.
Thanks Cha
Cha
(304,047 posts)Mahalo, oasis!
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)Iggo
(48,188 posts)One endorsement, and its fuck Katie Porter.
Jeezus kryst, people.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)about President Biden.
Mahalo for this tweet, LMPV!
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,465 posts)Cha
(304,047 posts)Last edited Fri May 28, 2021, 02:25 AM - Edit history (1)
her judgment is.
I don't think she pays attention to what's going on with our Democracy & President Biden now.. seems too bitter to see the reality.
ETA~
Link to tweet
George II
(67,782 posts)....you have to eat one of them. At least that interview with The Atlantic wasn't a one-time deal, she actually believes that.
And last year's election was a choice between a "neo-fascist" and a "neo-liberal"? I suspect she doesn't know what the prefix "neo" really means, but she sure likes to put that in front of words, even if it doesn't really mean anything in the real world.
That one wants to be our nominee in November instead of this woman?