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AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
Thu May 27, 2021, 12:49 PM May 2021

U.S. Faces Outbreak of Anti-Semitic Threats and Violence

A brick shattering a window of a kosher pizzeria on Manhattan’s Upper East Side. Jewish diners outside a sushi restaurant in Los Angeles attacked by men shouting anti-Semitic threats. Vandalism at synagogues in Arizona, Illinois and New York.

In Salt Lake City, a man scratched a swastika into the front door of an Orthodox synagogue in the early morning hours of May 16. “This was the kind of thing that would never happen in Salt Lake City,” said Rabbi Avremi Zippel, whose parents founded Chabad Lubavitch of Utah almost 30 years ago. “But it’s on the rise around the country.”

The synagogue has fortified its already substantial security measures in response. “It’s ridiculous, it’s insane that this is how we have to view houses of worship in the United States in 2021,” Zippel said, describing fortified access points, visible guards and lighting and security camera systems. “But we will do it.”


Even Gabby Giffords' synagogue here in Tucson was vandalized. I'm Jewish and my wife is Chinese. We both are now under immense threat here.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-faces-outbreak-anti-semitic-114829994.html
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U.S. Faces Outbreak of Anti-Semitic Threats and Violence (Original Post) AZLD4Candidate May 2021 OP
Trump makes bigots feel normal. The Wizard May 2021 #1
This isn't just something we can blame on Trump nycbos May 2021 #2
Blaming "the other side" does not work here. 11cents May 2021 #3
Do you have a credible link for your statistical claim? Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #5
From the New Yorker AZLD4Candidate May 2021 #6
Thx, but that references history and 2001, not current events. Has no statistics. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #8
You asked for evidence. I presented. AZLD4Candidate May 2021 #9
I agree with you against both-sides-ism. I don't see evidence tRumpanzees aren't biggest group Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #10
Yes -- I said violent attacks in the last several weeks. 11cents May 2021 #11
Thanks, I haven't been following that closely, and your post clarifies some. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #12
no, you're correct stopdiggin May 2021 #15
Empty Greene's "jewish lasers" remark emboldened a bunch of maggots. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #4
Antisemitism comes right out of the nazi/Fascist playbook. And we know there are a lot of abqtommy May 2021 #7
Historically incomplete if not incorrect 11cents May 2021 #18
Well stated! Behind the Aegis May 2021 #19
And this will separate the wheat from the chafe. Behind the Aegis May 2021 #13
Indeed. nycbos May 2021 #14
Sir, I'm Jewish. You know where I stand on this. AZLD4Candidate May 2021 #16
Yes! Behind the Aegis May 2021 #17

11cents

(1,777 posts)
3. Blaming "the other side" does not work here.
Thu May 27, 2021, 01:04 PM
May 2021

Not all, not even most, of the violent attacks over the last few weeks were perpetrated by Trump supporters.

The left blaming the right/the right blaming the left is the way both sides enable antisemitism. Not being willing to confront your own side = not giving a fuck. And that's the message we're getting.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
9. You asked for evidence. I presented.
Thu May 27, 2021, 01:26 PM
May 2021

I wasn't disagreeing with your point, just presenting.

I'm Jewish. Why would I validate the "both sides-ism?" Most comes from one side. I don't see the left holding tiki torches screaming "The Jews won't replace us."

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
10. I agree with you against both-sides-ism. I don't see evidence tRumpanzees aren't biggest group
Thu May 27, 2021, 01:40 PM
May 2021

... enacting the anti-semitic slurs, threats, and violence. I don't have statistical evidence that they are either, but a strong intuition.

But the poster did write "last few weeks" and "not even most" (less than 50%), as if they had some statistical evidence. Would be good to know either way because it is a problem that needs to be sat upon, heavily, and squelched hard.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
11. Yes -- I said violent attacks in the last several weeks.
Thu May 27, 2021, 02:03 PM
May 2021

This is public information, so intuition is not needed. Just look at the descriptions of those attacks, as reported in the media. And in a few cases, look at who has been arrested. People waving Palestinian flags, chanting pro-Palestinian slogans, in one case trying to force their victim to chant those slogans. I assume you're not going to claim these people might have been white supremacists in drag, because that's MAGA brainscape shit. Has there been any violent attack or threat of imminent violence (such as shouted slurs, physical intimidation) that can be definitely traced to the right? Swastika daubing and the like -- yes, probably white supremacists, but also nothing new. What's been happening recently is.

Let the squelching begin -- please.





stopdiggin

(11,306 posts)
15. no, you're correct
Thu May 27, 2021, 02:48 PM
May 2021

the skinheads, Prom Boys and white nationalists -- haven't previously been know as ardent supporters of Palestinian rights.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
7. Antisemitism comes right out of the nazi/Fascist playbook. And we know there are a lot of
Thu May 27, 2021, 01:21 PM
May 2021

Fascists here in the U.S. and around the world right now. No, Former Fascist Guy didn't start this but
he sure did normalize/inflame it. Hey Hey, Ho Ho, all these Fascists gotta go!

11cents

(1,777 posts)
18. Historically incomplete if not incorrect
Thu May 27, 2021, 04:05 PM
May 2021

You get that Jews have been literally demonized since the beginning of the Christian era, and have been subject to regular slaughters/expulsions for the last 1000 years? And that political antisemitism has been in the "playbook" of the left since the 19th century? Marx was an antisemite. Yes he was Jewish, but he also breathed European air/European attitudes his whole life.

You know, no thinking white American with left/liberal views would claim to be immune to racism. If we're capable of self-examination, we know we grow up soaking in it. Yet non-Jewish left/liberals of all hues will unhesitatingly say that they're immune to antisemitism. They're also soaking in it -- but it's so deeply entrenched in Western culture that it's hard to detect if you're not a target of it.

And by and large I find that the general (non-Jewish) view of Jewish history is "Everything was fine ('cause Jews are all rich) -- then, uh-oh, Nazis! That was bad, but now everything is fine again except, uh-oh, there's still a few Nazis."

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
19. Well stated!
Thu May 27, 2021, 04:26 PM
May 2021
Yet non-Jewish left/liberals of all hues will unhesitatingly say that they're immune to antisemitism.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
13. And this will separate the wheat from the chafe.
Thu May 27, 2021, 02:24 PM
May 2021

I know I have seen who is really against anti-Semitism, and who only pays lip-service when it suits them or when the aggressor is a political enemy.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
14. Indeed.
Thu May 27, 2021, 02:35 PM
May 2021

And there was an article about what's going on in Germany right now in the times may be a year or so ago made this exact point.

The right wing cared about anti-Semitism when the perpetrator was an immigrant from a Muslim country, and the wife cared about anti-Semitism when the perpetrator was a native born Nazi.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
17. Yes!
Thu May 27, 2021, 03:12 PM
May 2021

Sadly, we, as Jews, need to close ranks. There are times when I hear or see someone condemning anti-Semitism and I hear or see an asterisk. That is to say, "Anti-Semitism is bad and wrong!*" The asterisk indicates there are conditions when the anti-Semitism isn't wrong, usually dependent on who the anti-Semite is. Sadly, this has also been true of some "condemning" anti-Asian bigotry.

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