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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat happens when an electric car runs out of power on the road?
Do the road service companies have quick-charger apparatus to get you started and back on the road to a full charging station?
Curious as my next car will probably be electric.
No joke answers pls. This is a serious question.
rickford66
(6,065 posts)elleng
(141,926 posts)Deminpenn
(17,506 posts)that was used to light cigarettes.
randr
(12,648 posts)Bucky
(55,334 posts)Keep your portable jumper recharged. I assume EverReady is gonna be all over this
Midnight Writer
(25,410 posts)fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)And they still weigh 1200lbs.
While one could certainly carry a jump pack. Those weigh about 30 lbs. It's not going to get you very far. Maybe another mile or 2 down the road. (which could in theory get you to safety or an electrical outlet)
It's not like jumping a ICE car where you need a little electricity and then gas takes over to recharge. in an electric, you need electric full stop.
marybourg
(13,642 posts)dalton99a
(94,140 posts)
dweller
(28,411 posts)Plus itll sound like a go-cart 😁
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Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)small gas generator for extra long trips
MissB
(16,344 posts)My car starts looking for charging stations if I approach 20% charge.
Personally my car is for in town trips. In a pinch I could use it for a road trip but that isnt why I bought it.
It is still new enough that range anxiety is still present. I say hey Google, how many miles are left and itll tell me how many miles are left on the current charge. Silly when I only go a few miles
but its also fun to say.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)IbogaProject
(5,913 posts)GM stopped making that combo one. I was interested in it.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)Of course, it's more expensive to build a car that's both gas powered and electric at the same time, so I guess that's why they discontinued the Volt, but for me it's the best of both worlds, and I can only hope when it's time to buy a new car again I'm as happy with the options available.
caraher
(6,359 posts)JCMach1
(29,202 posts)If you don't have more than a 20-40 commute, all you need is a PHEV.
Used Volts are one of the least inexpensive ways to go electric.
Ninga
(9,012 posts)As with gas cars, if 12 volt dies, car is un drivable.
However, there is absolutely no reason to run out of energy with an EV.
I drive a Tesla and have taken long trips. The navigation monitors usage and tells me when, where and for how long to Supercharge. I have charged overnight at hotels, and plugged into my sisters clothes dryer outlet when visiting. Never ever had any range anxiety. I would say EV drivers who take a risk of not charging amount to the same number of drivers who run out of gas
Midnight Writer
(25,410 posts)Is the price pretty steady?
I'm just being curious.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)Some are free. Some cost money, but not that expensive. Usually cheaper than gas.
Ninga
(9,012 posts)the navigation suggested one of two stops to charge. Charged for 13 minutes at cost of $3.75. Arrived home with 17% charge remaining and plugged in
And charged overnight
range on
Car is 350
Midnight Writer
(25,410 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)My buddys neighbor worked for one of the car magazines when the Leaf came out. She had a demonstrator car and gave us a test drive and the low down.
But that was when electric cars were new and they were overcoming objections a fear.
We are on our third plug in hybrid so we dont have that worry.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)Places like the Bay Area have chargers all over the place. I am not sure about other places.
Get a PHEV (or a plug-in hybrid EV) that allows you the best of both worlds. It is not a pure EV, but you don't have to worry about finding a place to charge so long as you can find a gas station.
Not perfect, but it's adequate if you're particular part of the world doesn't have large amounts of EV charging stations in the places you want to go to ensure you don't run out.
brush
(61,033 posts)like gasoline powered cars do? I mean the power source battery not the starter battery.
My daughter has a Toyota Prius Hybrid, and she is crazy about it.
brush
(61,033 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)First and foremost, at least with my PHEV, you do not need to charge the car to use it. However, if you do, you will get significantly better MPG (or whatever is the correct terminology) between EV and gas. Given the options on my dash, I can see my car charging when (a) I brake properly and (b) when the car is moving and I am not pressing the accelerator. I rarely plug in my car for charging since my home doesn't really allow it.
I guess each PHEV is different, but I am seeing a far greater number of PHEVs by essentially all manufacturers. I do not want to get a Tesla for a number of reasons, but the PHEV has given me a number of options, and it allows me to travel long distances without fretting about an EV charging station being around and the time it takes to charge. It's not good when you have to wait hours at an EV charging station to get home because you didn't calculate your drive time properly! Remember that everything in your car takes up energy (e.g., AC, etc), so you have to be careful. If there were quick charging EV stations everywhere that gave you the same ubiquity and freedom as a gas station, I would definitely go that route. I am not sure that's the case, though.
Until pure EVs give you the same range as a PHEV if you travel long distances, that's the safest course. I would also consider leasing rather than buying...the technology is changing so much that I wouldn't want to be saddled with "old" technology on the EV side. Having a PHEV for three years or so on a lease is good enough, and then it's on to the next one. I'm not too sentimental about cars.
There are now TONS of options for EVs and PHEVs. If you just drive short distances locally and have a reliable place to charge your EV car, that's a good option. If, like me, you may travel 120 miles in a day, I want to have the mix of EV and gas for the timebeing. That being said, I will switch to an EV in a heartbeat the moment that EVs (besides Tesla) can give me range of around 400 miles between charges and are reasonably priced.
Ninga
(9,012 posts)suggest when to stop and charge up primarily to get you to your destination. I stop and charge not because the percentage of charge is low but because to make sure the percentage of charge available when I reach m final destination is not less than 10%.
Most definitely need to plan when you take a long distance trip. In all my travels the longest time Ive spent at a Tesla supercharger station is 23 minutes.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)It pays to feather the brake pedal to optimize regen.
Ours has a regen brake paddle on the steering wheel.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)I've got a few years on my ragtop, and my wife's car only has 108,000 miles, but it's a 2006.
She's a prime candidate for an EV. 90% of her trips are 5 miles or less.
Good to hear the experiences of those that went electric.
Drum
(10,678 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)Shellback Squid
(10,083 posts)Auggie
(33,151 posts)MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)My long distance travel is usually time sensitive, and, when I am on such trips (e.g., 120 miles or more r/t), I REALLY don't want to be spending hours waiting for my car to charge.
That's why a PHEV gives you a decent mix of both EV and gas. I have had PHEVs for years and have been very happy with them. That being said, if possible, lease rather than buy so you are not stuck with old tech. Things are moving very quickly in the EV/PHEV space.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)These days, the fastest charging cars can charge in under 20 minutes.
brush
(61,033 posts)sprinkleeninow
(22,349 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)power left. The drivers just need to pay attention to remaining power & refuel in the same way we pay attention to remaining gas in our tank.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)It can take hours to charge your car. With gas, you are ready to go instantly in the few minutes it takes to fill your tank.
If you have the time to do charge, then yes. Realistically speaking, many of us don't.
When I was looking at pure EVs a few years ago, it was clear that Tesla was the only real option for long-range EV driving. But, it is an expensive vehicle. At least a few years ago, and as far as I am aware today, there are no other comparable EVs to Tesla for range. For local trips, there are tons of options.
It all depends on what you will use your car for. The PHEV was, without a doubt, the best of all worlds, and MUCH cheaper than a Tesla.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)The hours-long charges are a thing of the past (except for home charging, where you charge overnight)
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)This indicates that a 20-40 minute charge at a fast charger is by no means average: https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/how-long-does-take-charge-electric-car. There aren't that many fast chargers spread throughout the US, and especially between cities. It takes far longer at non-fast chargers. Even at 20-40 minutes at a fast charger, that's added commute time, and those aren't all that prevalent.
Like I said, I think an EV is great for local driving, but I tend to do both local and long-range. The minimum long-range r/t I would do in a day would be around 120 miles or so. When I first started looking at new technology cars, nothing except a Tesla had this range. Dealers of other EVs would tell me, well, just time your trip to hang out near a charging station for awhile and then you can use the EV, but that wasn't really a solution.
The PHEV is the best solution for me. It was far better priced than a Tesla, and, like I said, it go me the best of both worlds. But, the fear of running out of charge was what drove me (so to speak!) to a PHEV over an EV.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)I'm sure PHEVs are good for you now, they're a good compromise. However, BEVs will be quite practical if/when you decide to upgrade.
Most newer EVs have longer ranges. They're also adopting faster charging. The new Hyundai EV can charge in 18 minutes and has a 250-300 mile range. Others are following this lead.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1132367_2022-hyundai-ioniq-5-300-mile-electric-car-will-offer-18-minute-fast-charging-in-us-spec
Fast charging networks are also expanding quickly. In late 2019, I did Los Angeles to Las Vegas in my old 100 mile EV. On the long stretch across the desert, there were exactly two fast charge sites. That was rather nerve-wracking.
Today, that same stretch has over a dozen fast charge sites, and my new EV has over twice the range. That trip is now totally easy. Infrastructure is developing very quickly, and not just in California.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)and things have changed rapidly.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Glad to help
liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)His family lives in Louisiana and we live in New York, so I'm not sure how long it would take to stop and charge it up if it ran out of power on the road trip.
localroger
(3,782 posts)Batteries aren't good for long road trips and there's no infrastructure to help you when they crap out on you in a bad place.
Sgent
(5,858 posts)who drive Tesla's between New Orleans and Houston regularly (about 8 hr trip), and there are multiple superchargers on the interstate. If your driving off the interstate it could be a bigger issue.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)It is a VERY expensive car.
Until other manufacturers get the EV range of a Tesla and charging stations are more prevalent and quicker, I would urge folks who do non-local/long distance travel to consider a PHEV.
On the other hand, if you want to help Elon to sell regulatory credits to other manufacturers for a huge profit at taxpayer expense (and I don't), which is the ONLY reason Tesla is profitable, have at it!
Rstrstx
(1,648 posts)Oh thats right, by selling customers vastly overpriced gas-guzzling giant-ass trucks and SUVs, which require regular expensive maintenance at their shops (the ONLY way theyre profitable). Plus they keep the government subsidized petroleum industry going full throttle while it keeps choking the planet. So hey if thats your thing, have at it!
Sorry for being a bit sarcastic, but Tesla on the whole has done way more good than harm by shaking up the auto industry, and their prices for the 3 and Y are very much in line with other new EVs with similar specs. Otherwise the auto industry would be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century if they didnt have any real competition (many companies like Fiat and some Japanese auto makers are still acting like if they just close their eyes this will all just go away, just crank out a few token compliance cars to keep California and Europe happy).
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)These could have been purchased directly from the federal government, rather than Tesla being in the middle. You do understand that the regulatory credits are what has caused Tesla's stock price to go through the roof, right? I am not sure enriching Tesla and its shareholders is what the regulatory credit scheme was about. But, to Tesla's financial acumen, they exploited this loophole to the hilt. Again, why didn't the government charge the offending companies directly and pocket the money.
I also didn't realize how much energy Tesla consumed with respect to bitcoin: https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a36266393/tesla-made-more-money-selling-credits-and-bitcoin-than-cars/ . See also this: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/why-elon-musk-is-worried-about-bitcoin-environmental-impact.html#:~:text=Elon%20Musk%20said%20Tesla%20has,and%20Malaysia%2C%20according%20to%20researchers. Tesla was far from environmentally friendly.
When I first started looking at alternative fuel vehicles, a Tesla lease was several hundred dollars per month higher than a PHEV lease. The only EV I would have seriously considered was a Tesla because of its range. However, the cost differential, even for a Tesla 3 model and a PHEV was considerable, and I believe still is.
Please take a look at many other manufacturers. Many of them are phasing out their pure gas vehicles. Just in the last few years there are far more PHEV and EV options by many of the manufacturers. Did Telsa contribute that. I am sure it did, and perhaps that's the essential point. I just don't understand why US taxpayers apparently subsidized Tesla when there were other ways to do it.
MissB
(16,344 posts)It wasnt the EV for me. I bought the Volvo EV - their only model currently is the XC40.
Volvos still qualify for the $7500 federal tax credit, since the manufacturer hasnt sold 200,000 units in the US. Plus my state offers at least $2500 (and an additional $2500 of low/moderate income).
I lucked out and sold my previous car in this ridiculously hot used car market. Considering the used car $, the tax credit and state rebate, my overall cost is about $25k, which is quite reasonable for a new car- really equivalent to buying a new Honda Accord. Actual cost for me is $35k, just for full disclosure since were talking about a tax credit from the feds and a refund from the state.
I realize thats too high of a cost for many folks.
Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)There's some guy on Youtube who has several videos about his cross country road trips in a Tesla 3. He documents all the good and bad things about the car, but to address your question, he describes how the car's computer will tell you where all the charging stations are on your route and calculates how long before you need to get recharged. He really makes it look like fun!
farmbo
(3,153 posts)Ive never had to take advantage of the service, but understand it includes a partial re- charge... enough to get you to the next charging station.
brush
(61,033 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But posting a question on DU and asking for no joke answers? Big ask!
I look forward to an electric truck that can pull our boat 400 miles. Still a ways off but I see it happening.
brush
(61,033 posts)But after that a lot of good information came in from drivers with experience with EVs and PHEVs. They're helping me make my decision on my next car.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)Probably not. Personally, I can't remember the last time I ran out of gas.
Same goes for electric cars. When it gets low, you fill up. Fast chargers allow you to do that fairly quickly.
The great thing about EVs is that, when you charge at home, you leave the house every morning with a full "tank". I've been driving electric for 10 years. Even with a 100 mile battery, I've never run out.
brush
(61,033 posts)I have run out of gas from being rushed ans stressed, forgot to notice the gauge. Had to call AAA, which is why I asked if road service companies have developed a quick-charging device to get you off to a full charging station/
It happens, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)The warnings are way more obvious than a gas car. Hard to ignore.
But, if you actually do manage to run the battery to zero, you're looking at a tow. If you can't handle that possibility, stick to gasoline.
Looking into the future, the new F150 EV will have a big enough battery to actually charge another car. Others will follow. In a few yars, that technology might be a way to get around a tow.
malaise
(296,118 posts)during that horrific Texas event, then they can do the same here.
lanlady
(7,229 posts)And I love it - gets 60 miles per charge but it also has a gas engine. I usually switch to gas on the highway, or when the battery has less than 10 miles. Other than that, I drive it on electric to go to work and get around town.
Unfortunately, I believe Chevy stopped making the Volt and will be producing only all-electric models, so I can't recommend it unless you can find a used one.
That said, if you get an all-electric car you will definitely know when your battery is about to die - no way you'll ever get caught by surprise unless you never look at your dashboard! Unfortunately, most of the free charging stations you find out there are excruciatingly slow to charge a battery. When I shop at Whole Foods or Wegmans I plug in my car at one of their stations but am lucky to get 2 or 3 miles in the course of a shopping trip. That's one reason I bought the Volt; right now, the infrastructure isn't there to support charging-on-demand. But it will come, it will be there soon.
I charge my Volt overnight in my garage. If you have that capability, and if your daily mileage is well within the car battery's limits, I say go for it! But if not, or you do a lot of highway driving, I'd advise waiting until there is better infrastructure and faster charging stations available to electric car drivers.
mopinko
(73,726 posts)if not solar paint/film.
at least you arent totally stranded.
iirc, one little maker is doing it.
caraher
(6,359 posts)I think it's a Swedish company working on that.
That would definitely somewhat un-strand you, if it's sunny. But there's just not enough power density in sunlight, especially combined with solar panel efficiency, to match the rate at which the car uses power. Sunlight is about 1 kW per square meter and 20% efficiency is on the high end, so at best you're talking a few hundred watts. Driving down the highway draws basically ten times that power, so you need to sit and charge roughly 10 minutes for every minute of driving.
fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)before a panel that size can recharge a Tesla.
Several orders of magnitude difference between the panel output and the battery capacity
You need about 93,000 Watts or 93kwh to recharge a Tesla from empty to full. You can get a 200 watth solar charger to fit on top of a car.
It would take about 20 weeks to charge a Tesla from 0 to full with a Solar rooftop.
It can trickle charge. Which is free energy of course. But it makes a difference in feet. Not Miles.
ananda
(35,152 posts)I'm not quite ready for electric.
Koch Ebola
(831 posts)All these arguments against the electric car are fossil fuel company talking points. You can't stop progress but the oil companies are trying their best. I am looking forward to the day when petropolitics just vanishes. So when your electric car runs out of juice, do what I do, CALL The Auto Club.
Check this video
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)I drive local and long-range from time to time (somewhat frequently, at least before the pandemic). The range of the car was critical to my decision. For my long-range trips (minimum 120 miles r/t) which I would take twice a week, the only EV that could do that was the Tesla.
For all other EVs, I would be spending time charging the car, in addition to work and driving. That's just not what I want to do, especially in the Bay Area where your departure time can make all the difference between a 45 minute commute and a 2 hour commute because of traffic.
The cost differential between the Tesla and a decent PHEV which I eventually got was considerable.
These were my real world considerations.
brush
(61,033 posts)to get you started and back on the road to a full charge station. I'm asking because, as I said, my next car is likely to be an EV. The scenario I'm envisioning is on the road far from a charging station as things can happen where you forget to recharge or can't recharge.
Maxheader
(4,419 posts)It will stay running until the ignition is switched off, i think.
An electric car won't?...?
pwb
(12,669 posts)At the start and during your drive.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)You do have to pay attention to how much battery is left, but the same is true for gas cars, you have to pay attention to that thing called a 'gas gauge'.
If you are on a road trip, you have to plan your route with the navigation software. If you are just driving around, outside of rural areas, charging stations are easy to find, but I do all my charging overnight at home.
Just curious: when was the last time you ran your car out of gas?
The answer for me to that question is 'not in the last 40 years at least'.
It is sort of a non issue.
brush
(61,033 posts)being on the road far from a charging station but from your post and others I've learned that one has to plan your route to know where charging stations are, and to pay attention to the power gauge.
My concern was that charging stations aren't as plentiful yet on the interstates and secondary roads as gas stations are. Hopefully Joe Biden's infrastructure plan will include them as EVs seem to be our future.
Oh, and the last time I ran out of gas, not paying attention, was as I was about to get on an on-ramp to the freeway. I was able to pull over and call AAA and they brought me some gas in about 30 minutes. That's why I asked if the road service companies have developed a quick-charge device yet because knowing people, someone stressed out with a busy schedule will forget and get stranded.
beaglelover
(4,466 posts)beaglelover
(4,466 posts)We went to Palm Springs for a few days last week which is about 120 miles away from where we live. We rented a house out there but there was no charging port at the house, so we had to supercharge using the Tesla network when we were in the desert.
The first time we supercharged in down town Palm Springs. Tesla has around 12 chargers in the parking garage for the PS art museum. At home when I charge the rate is 30 miles per hour. At this supercharger, the rate was 265 miles per hour. So, we plugged in the car and walked down to the main drag in PS and had lunch. Once we were done with lunch, the car was fully charged.
The day before we drove home, we went for a longish drive along 111 through the various desert cities. Then on the way back to our rental house, we stopped at the Tesla supercharger in Rancho Mirage. It's located at an outdoor mall that has shopping, a couple restaurants with bars, etc. We plugged in and went to get some Ben and Jerry's ice cream. The car still had about 10 minutes left to fully charge by the time we came back to it, so we just sat in it for those final minutes. During that time a Tesla service rep drove into the charging station and offered to top up our windshield wiper fluid and check and adjust our tire pressures. For free, of course. I thought that was pretty cool.
I just checked my credit card and the first charge was $18 and the second charge was $15, so MUCH cheaper than gas.
I've had my Tesla almost a year and it is definitely the best car I've ever owned. Around town, I'm usually able to drive using only 1 pedal due to the regenerative braking feature. I hardly ever use my actual brake pedal, so that will help with wear and tear on the brake pads, etc. I love getting over the air updates to my car periodically that turn on new features of the car. I would recommend a Tesla Model 3 to everyone!
brush
(61,033 posts)to use the brake pedal. It almost sounds like downshifting in a standard shift car to slow it down.
beaglelover
(4,466 posts)the brakes. In the Tesla, when you take your foot off the accelerator, or even decrease the amount of pressure you have on the accelerator, the car will begin to stop as though you have applied the brakes a little bit. It does not coast. So, over a very short amount of time, you get used to how much to take your foot off of the accelerator to make the car come to a complete stop without ever using the brake pedal. It really does not take that long to get used to it, and if you really hate the regenerative braking system, you can deactivate it in the car settings. The other thing the Tesla does is when it comes to a complete stop, it goes into 'hold' mode, so again you don't have to have your foot on the brake pedal to keep the car still. You can also change this in the car settings if you don't like it.
The absolute best thing about driving a Tesla or any EV is the instant torque. Just stomp on the accelerator and the car goes massively fast! There is no grinding of gears or waiting for the turbos to spool up like in an ICE car. The EV just goes. It's kind of fun to play with when you first get the car on a deserted street, but it also helps you avoid trouble in real world driving by helping you get out of sticky situations FAST, like when you're merging onto the freeway or passing a car on the freeway. Gives me lots of confidence in the car I'm driving.
brush
(61,033 posts)the car will coast as if in neutral on a gas car?
beaglelover
(4,466 posts)Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)Sometimes, you just like to have real buttons.
Has that been an issue for you?
beaglelover
(4,466 posts)Been an issue at all. Most controls you really only set once. And the car has a great voice command system so you can turn on or off any control by just pushing a button on the right side of the steering wheel and telling the car what to change. My husband is 12 years older than me and not tech savvy at all and even he thinks the control screen is very intuitive and easy to use. Hes bonkers about the Tesla as well.
lame54
(39,771 posts)Towlie
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I can't believe I'm the first to say that. DUers just don't seem to have much of a sense of humor.
Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)I erased it before posting. No guts, no glory.
brush
(61,033 posts)Towlie
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See? I just bumped it again.
JCMach1
(29,202 posts)and don't do it.
If anything, there are many more warnings in your electric as you are winding down your range.
brush
(61,033 posts)If one somehow runs of gas it's a given that you call AAA or another road service company and they bring you some gas. Running out of gas, though rare, sometimes happens from inattentiveness or whatever.
I'm considering an EV so that's why I asked if the road service industry has developed a quick-charge device for people on the road. All this feedback is good info for people who haven't yet owned an EV. Which when you think about it, is most drivers. And with Ford and the other manufacturers phasing out gasoline-powered cars, it's good to do some research because EVs are in most peoples' future.
My compliments on being an early adapter.
Disaffected
(6,408 posts)Hitchhike
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)I appreciate the advice. I've been driving a Prius for the last 7 years - just waiting for something better to come along that will allow me to take long, interstate trips. It sounds like we may be nearly there.