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Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:36 PM May 2021

Texas, guns and silencers, coming to a state near you soon....

Texas is on the verge of telling the BATFE to kiss their ass.

For many years gun suppressors (silencers) have been heavily regulated and taxed by the Federal Government. Texas is taking the position that if the silencers are made in Texas and stay within the State that they are none of the Fed's business. The legislation is planned to be a model for other states to allow their citizens to use silencers without government regulation. It will be really interesting to see how the Feds handle the issue.


https://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2021/05/to-the-governor-texas-passes-suppressor-freedom-act/

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Texas, guns and silencers, coming to a state near you soon.... (Original Post) Chainfire May 2021 OP
"If they stay within the state..." Girard442 May 2021 #1
The Exploding Silo State is overdue for a wake-up call. Grokenstein May 2021 #4
We already have them in Ohio since 2015 doc03 May 2021 #2
Yes, but in Ohio Chainfire May 2021 #8
Next it will be death squads are okayed. 2naSalit May 2021 #3
Welcome to Texas Chainfire May 2021 #5
And coming soon to Montana. 2naSalit May 2021 #6
Suppressors aren't like what the movies like to make them out to be, MarineCombatEngineer May 2021 #7
There are a lot of variables in how they perform Chainfire May 2021 #16
Suppressors Timewas May 2021 #24
From what I understand... LiberatedUSA May 2021 #26
Subsonic .22 LR ammunition has no special requirements to purchase. I have a couple of bricks of it Dial H For Hero May 2021 #32
Unless you're in the military no reason to have those rockfordfile May 2021 #9
Well if you wanted to poach deer on someone's land doc03 May 2021 #11
You'd need a gun that fires subsonic ammo for that to work. Kaleva May 2021 #15
That's the "2nd amendment solution" republicans advocate for n/t Victor_c3 May 2021 #19
Norway and some other Western European nations requires that suppressors be used Kaleva May 2021 #13
Nonsense. Happy Hoosier May 2021 #25
Not really Zeitghost May 2021 #34
States get away with legalizing weed by making it in their states. LiberatedUSA May 2021 #10
+100. MarineCombatEngineer May 2021 #12
You may be right. Chainfire May 2021 #17
Keep in mind... LiberatedUSA May 2021 #18
The right will keep pushing until they get pushed back. If not this administration then who? Chainfire May 2021 #28
I'm not going back to Texas. Ilsa May 2021 #14
"I'm afraid of being shot there" EX500rider May 2021 #21
I don't think the newest gun law has been Ilsa May 2021 #31
America SoCalDavidS May 2021 #20
I've got a gun humping friend who has been visiting a gun shop in Texas for 40 years. Midnight Writer May 2021 #22
Your friend is risking ten years at club Fed for playing with his toys. Chainfire May 2021 #27
If this is true, and I have serious doubts on this, MarineCombatEngineer May 2021 #29
these states seem to be going out of there way... stillcool May 2021 #23
It's not hard to buy a suppressor in most states as it is NickB79 May 2021 #30
The current wait time is more on the order of 6 to 8 months for approval. Dial H For Hero May 2021 #33
I've read that Form 1's are pretty quick right now NickB79 May 2021 #35

Girard442

(6,382 posts)
1. "If they stay within the state..."
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:44 PM
May 2021

Well, that should be no problem since the Texas border is heavily fortified and trade across it is vigorously regulated.

doc03

(36,508 posts)
2. We already have them in Ohio since 2015
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:54 PM
May 2021

I believe also open carry. I don't know how factual the westerns are but they had to check their guns in in places like Tombstone . Now we can open carry and use silencers like Al Capone gangsters now.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
8. Yes, but in Ohio
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:01 PM
May 2021

They are still permitted by the Federal Government after and extensive background check and after paying the $200.00 tax to the Feds.
If you sell or trade it, the new owner would have to go through the same process. Texas wants them unregulated.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,310 posts)
7. Suppressors aren't like what the movies like to make them out to be,
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:59 PM
May 2021

you don't hear a soft plop like in the movies, all they do is lessen the noise, they are still quite noisy.

European countries, like France, require suppressors for hunting to reduce the decibels on the ears and nearby buildings.

I suspect though that the BATFE will have something to say about this.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
16. There are a lot of variables in how they perform
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:14 PM
May 2021

Gun, caliber, ammo velocity, the ambient temperature and the quality of the device. I have seen one used on a .22 rifle that made it as quite as an air rifle. The noise of the action cycling was louder than the report.

Timewas

(2,271 posts)
24. Suppressors
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:47 PM
May 2021

Are actually quite loud, their real intent is to save your ears...You cannot shoot a gun with a suppressor on it and have no one hear it... and are really useless on a revolver..

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
26. From what I understand...
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:04 PM
May 2021

...the PMR-30 .22 pistol with a suppressor and subsonic .22 ammo is pretty quiet. So I guess that is as close as it gets to the movies. I don’t think that subsonic .22 ammo has any special requirements to get; but I could be wrong.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
32. Subsonic .22 LR ammunition has no special requirements to purchase. I have a couple of bricks of it
Sun May 30, 2021, 12:25 AM
May 2021

socked away for use with my suppressed Ruger 10/22.

rockfordfile

(8,727 posts)
9. Unless you're in the military no reason to have those
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:02 PM
May 2021

I could see a terrorist being the only true reason. Texas does have a crap load of un-American pos.

Happy Hoosier

(8,285 posts)
25. Nonsense.
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:50 PM
May 2021

I use sound suppressors in some of guns. I do it to make them a little quieter and less likely to damage hearing and to reduce the impact on others around me.

Zeitghost

(4,267 posts)
34. Not really
Sun May 30, 2021, 02:55 AM
May 2021

It's a health and noise pollution issue. In Europe, many places encourage or require their use at ranges to reduce noise pollution and help prevent hearing damage to the shooter and others. They are not what Hollywood would have you think they are. There is a lot of myth and urban legend built up around the issue.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
10. States get away with legalizing weed by making it in their states.
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:04 PM
May 2021

And a federal judge ruled that Trump could not withhold federal funding to California for refusing to enforce federal immigration law. So between the two, it would be hard to fight this with blue states doing it for marijuana and a precedent set for not allowing funds to be withheld from a state for not enforcing a law they don’t like.

Expect more of this from more red states with their reasoning being “you do it for your issues”.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
17. You may be right.
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:17 PM
May 2021

I do recall a time in history when several states refused to abide by Federal laws. I thought that that matter had been settled.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
18. Keep in mind...
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:37 PM
May 2021

...the DEA more or less is tuning a blind eye to the weed legal states. Now even a Republican controlled BATFE might not look well at ignoring title 2, National Firearms Act weapon procedures (I think they would for semi-autos being added to it).

A Democrat-controlled BATFE might not stand back like the DEA is doing; which would cause an interesting situation with one side arguing “hey show me the rule you are using to allow you to ignore federal laws but not us.” Also, I live in deep red Missouri. It isn’t just the state ignoring a potential AWB, it is that local police departments won’t either. They won’t turn in people for ignoring a ban when they hunt and shoot with those same people and have those guns at their home as well.

That would make the BATFE’s job a lot harder to enforce across all the red states. I do think the Republicans are going too far with trying to ignore silencer rules. I guess we will see where this goes. If they try to ignore the 1986 ban on new full auto weapons, that would certainly cause the BATFE to come out swinging.

Ilsa

(62,173 posts)
14. I'm not going back to Texas.
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:08 PM
May 2021

I'm afraid of being shot there. I'm not going to attend any conferences or family/friends funerals. The leadership there is off the deep end, and too many citizens are buying into their delusions about guns.

EX500rider

(11,408 posts)
21. "I'm afraid of being shot there"
Sat May 29, 2021, 06:47 PM
May 2021

24 states or US territories have a higher homicide rate then Texas.

By rankings, worse then Texas:

District of Columbia
Puerto Rico
Louisiana
Mississippi
Alaska
Missouri
South Carolina
Maryland
New Mexico
Arkansas
Alabama
Tennessee
Oklahoma
Illinois
Georgia
North Carolina
Indiana
Michigan
Pennsylvania
Florida
Arizona
Virginia
Kentucky
Delaware

Your about 5 times more likely to be murdered in Wash DC then Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Midnight Writer

(22,885 posts)
22. I've got a gun humping friend who has been visiting a gun shop in Texas for 40 years.
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:05 PM
May 2021

The gun dealer sells, "under the counter, cash only", suppressors and kits to convert semi-autos to full auto.

My friend has been buying this stuff for decades with no hassles whatsoever.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
27. Your friend is risking ten years at club Fed for playing with his toys.
Sat May 29, 2021, 09:20 PM
May 2021

The prisons are full of people who got away with dirty deeds for a long time before the knock at the door. It is a damn fool that plays those kinds of games.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,310 posts)
29. If this is true, and I have serious doubts on this,
Sat May 29, 2021, 10:12 PM
May 2021

but if this is true, then why haven't you notified the BATFE?

This makes you just as guilty as your friend and the firearms dealer.

They're pretty good at catching firearms dealers that are selling banned modifications.

He could do serious time in a Federal Prison and a hefty fine, as would the dealer.

I think your friend is pulling your leg.

stillcool

(32,632 posts)
23. these states seem to be going out of there way...
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:45 PM
May 2021

to start a confrontation with the federal government. All the usual suspects. Let them have the virus, the weapons, the uneducated, the sick, the hungry, the bible-thumpers, and be done with it.

NickB79

(19,555 posts)
30. It's not hard to buy a suppressor in most states as it is
Sun May 30, 2021, 12:02 AM
May 2021

$200 for the tax stamp and a few months waiting on your paperwork to clear the ATF (and it will unless you've got a criminal record) and you're good to go. Another $300-$500 for the suppressor, as long as your rifle's barrel is threaded to accept one.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
33. The current wait time is more on the order of 6 to 8 months for approval.
Sun May 30, 2021, 12:30 AM
May 2021

And while a rimfire suppressor can indeed be had for under $500, those made for centerfire rifles can easily cost $1,000 or more.

NickB79

(19,555 posts)
35. I've read that Form 1's are pretty quick right now
Sun May 30, 2021, 08:30 AM
May 2021

Whereas Form 3's are taking some time due to greater demand.

And yeah, I have only looked at rimfire suppressors so that's where I got my price range from. Still too high for what's essentially a metal can with washers inside.

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