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Sat May 29, 2021, 05:36 PM

Texas, guns and silencers, coming to a state near you soon....

Texas is on the verge of telling the BATFE to kiss their ass.

For many years gun suppressors (silencers) have been heavily regulated and taxed by the Federal Government. Texas is taking the position that if the silencers are made in Texas and stay within the State that they are none of the Fed's business. The legislation is planned to be a model for other states to allow their citizens to use silencers without government regulation. It will be really interesting to see how the Feds handle the issue.


https://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2021/05/to-the-governor-texas-passes-suppressor-freedom-act/

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Reply Texas, guns and silencers, coming to a state near you soon.... (Original post)
Chainfire May 2021 OP
Girard442 May 2021 #1
Grokenstein May 2021 #4
doc03 May 2021 #2
Chainfire May 2021 #8
2naSalit May 2021 #3
Chainfire May 2021 #5
2naSalit May 2021 #6
MarineCombatEngineer May 2021 #7
Chainfire May 2021 #16
Timewas May 2021 #24
LiberatedUSA May 2021 #26
Dial H For Hero May 2021 #32
rockfordfile May 2021 #9
doc03 May 2021 #11
Kaleva May 2021 #15
Victor_c3 May 2021 #19
Kaleva May 2021 #13
Happy Hoosier May 2021 #25
Zeitghost May 2021 #34
LiberatedUSA May 2021 #10
MarineCombatEngineer May 2021 #12
Chainfire May 2021 #17
LiberatedUSA May 2021 #18
Chainfire May 2021 #28
Ilsa May 2021 #14
EX500rider May 2021 #21
Ilsa May 2021 #31
SoCalDavidS May 2021 #20
Midnight Writer May 2021 #22
Chainfire May 2021 #27
MarineCombatEngineer May 2021 #29
stillcool May 2021 #23
NickB79 May 2021 #30
Dial H For Hero May 2021 #33
NickB79 May 2021 #35

Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 05:44 PM

1. "If they stay within the state..."

Well, that should be no problem since the Texas border is heavily fortified and trade across it is vigorously regulated.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #1)

Sat May 29, 2021, 05:57 PM

4. The Exploding Silo State is overdue for a wake-up call.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 05:54 PM

2. We already have them in Ohio since 2015

I believe also open carry. I don't know how factual the westerns are but they had to check their guns in in places like Tombstone . Now we can open carry and use silencers like Al Capone gangsters now.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #2)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:01 PM

8. Yes, but in Ohio

They are still permitted by the Federal Government after and extensive background check and after paying the $200.00 tax to the Feds.
If you sell or trade it, the new owner would have to go through the same process. Texas wants them unregulated.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 05:55 PM

3. Next it will be death squads are okayed.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #3)

Sat May 29, 2021, 05:57 PM

5. Welcome to Texas

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #5)

Sat May 29, 2021, 05:59 PM

6. And coming soon to Montana.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 05:59 PM

7. Suppressors aren't like what the movies like to make them out to be,

you don't hear a soft plop like in the movies, all they do is lessen the noise, they are still quite noisy.

European countries, like France, require suppressors for hunting to reduce the decibels on the ears and nearby buildings.

I suspect though that the BATFE will have something to say about this.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #7)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:14 PM

16. There are a lot of variables in how they perform

Gun, caliber, ammo velocity, the ambient temperature and the quality of the device. I have seen one used on a .22 rifle that made it as quite as an air rifle. The noise of the action cycling was louder than the report.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #7)

Sat May 29, 2021, 07:47 PM

24. Suppressors

Are actually quite loud, their real intent is to save your ears...You cannot shoot a gun with a suppressor on it and have no one hear it... and are really useless on a revolver..

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #7)

Sat May 29, 2021, 08:04 PM

26. From what I understand...

...the PMR-30 .22 pistol with a suppressor and subsonic .22 ammo is pretty quiet. So I guess that is as close as it gets to the movies. I don’t think that subsonic .22 ammo has any special requirements to get; but I could be wrong.

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #26)

Sun May 30, 2021, 12:25 AM

32. Subsonic .22 LR ammunition has no special requirements to purchase. I have a couple of bricks of it

socked away for use with my suppressed Ruger 10/22.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:02 PM

9. Unless you're in the military no reason to have those

I could see a terrorist being the only true reason. Texas does have a crap load of un-American pos.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #9)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:05 PM

11. Well if you wanted to poach deer on someone's land

or assanate someone they would come in handy.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #11)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:12 PM

15. You'd need a gun that fires subsonic ammo for that to work.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #11)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:41 PM

19. That's the "2nd amendment solution" republicans advocate for n/t

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #9)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:07 PM

13. Norway and some other Western European nations requires that suppressors be used

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #9)

Sat May 29, 2021, 07:50 PM

25. Nonsense.

I use sound suppressors in some of guns. I do it to make them a little quieter and less likely to damage hearing and to reduce the impact on others around me.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #9)

Sun May 30, 2021, 02:55 AM

34. Not really

It's a health and noise pollution issue. In Europe, many places encourage or require their use at ranges to reduce noise pollution and help prevent hearing damage to the shooter and others. They are not what Hollywood would have you think they are. There is a lot of myth and urban legend built up around the issue.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:04 PM

10. States get away with legalizing weed by making it in their states.

And a federal judge ruled that Trump could not withhold federal funding to California for refusing to enforce federal immigration law. So between the two, it would be hard to fight this with blue states doing it for marijuana and a precedent set for not allowing funds to be withheld from a state for not enforcing a law they don’t like.

Expect more of this from more red states with their reasoning being “you do it for your issues”.

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #10)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:06 PM

12. +100.

That's the way I see it also.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #12)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:17 PM

17. You may be right.

I do recall a time in history when several states refused to abide by Federal laws. I thought that that matter had been settled.

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #17)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:37 PM

18. Keep in mind...

...the DEA more or less is tuning a blind eye to the weed legal states. Now even a Republican controlled BATFE might not look well at ignoring title 2, National Firearms Act weapon procedures (I think they would for semi-autos being added to it).

A Democrat-controlled BATFE might not stand back like the DEA is doing; which would cause an interesting situation with one side arguing “hey show me the rule you are using to allow you to ignore federal laws but not us.” Also, I live in deep red Missouri. It isn’t just the state ignoring a potential AWB, it is that local police departments won’t either. They won’t turn in people for ignoring a ban when they hunt and shoot with those same people and have those guns at their home as well.

That would make the BATFE’s job a lot harder to enforce across all the red states. I do think the Republicans are going too far with trying to ignore silencer rules. I guess we will see where this goes. If they try to ignore the 1986 ban on new full auto weapons, that would certainly cause the BATFE to come out swinging.

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #18)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:22 PM

28. The right will keep pushing until they get pushed back. If not this administration then who?

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:08 PM

14. I'm not going back to Texas.

I'm afraid of being shot there. I'm not going to attend any conferences or family/friends funerals. The leadership there is off the deep end, and too many citizens are buying into their delusions about guns.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #14)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:47 PM

21. "I'm afraid of being shot there"

24 states or US territories have a higher homicide rate then Texas.

By rankings, worse then Texas:

District of Columbia
Puerto Rico
Louisiana
Mississippi
Alaska
Missouri
South Carolina
Maryland
New Mexico
Arkansas
Alabama
Tennessee
Oklahoma
Illinois
Georgia
North Carolina
Indiana
Michigan
Pennsylvania
Florida
Arizona
Virginia
Kentucky
Delaware

Your about 5 times more likely to be murdered in Wash DC then Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #21)

Sun May 30, 2021, 12:16 AM

31. I don't think the newest gun law has been

implemented by the crazies yet.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 06:44 PM

20. America

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 07:05 PM

22. I've got a gun humping friend who has been visiting a gun shop in Texas for 40 years.

The gun dealer sells, "under the counter, cash only", suppressors and kits to convert semi-autos to full auto.

My friend has been buying this stuff for decades with no hassles whatsoever.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #22)

Sat May 29, 2021, 09:20 PM

27. Your friend is risking ten years at club Fed for playing with his toys.

The prisons are full of people who got away with dirty deeds for a long time before the knock at the door. It is a damn fool that plays those kinds of games.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #22)

Sat May 29, 2021, 10:12 PM

29. If this is true, and I have serious doubts on this,

but if this is true, then why haven't you notified the BATFE?

This makes you just as guilty as your friend and the firearms dealer.

They're pretty good at catching firearms dealers that are selling banned modifications.

He could do serious time in a Federal Prison and a hefty fine, as would the dealer.

I think your friend is pulling your leg.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat May 29, 2021, 07:45 PM

23. these states seem to be going out of there way...

to start a confrontation with the federal government. All the usual suspects. Let them have the virus, the weapons, the uneducated, the sick, the hungry, the bible-thumpers, and be done with it.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sun May 30, 2021, 12:02 AM

30. It's not hard to buy a suppressor in most states as it is

$200 for the tax stamp and a few months waiting on your paperwork to clear the ATF (and it will unless you've got a criminal record) and you're good to go. Another $300-$500 for the suppressor, as long as your rifle's barrel is threaded to accept one.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #30)

Sun May 30, 2021, 12:30 AM

33. The current wait time is more on the order of 6 to 8 months for approval.

And while a rimfire suppressor can indeed be had for under $500, those made for centerfire rifles can easily cost $1,000 or more.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #33)

Sun May 30, 2021, 08:30 AM

35. I've read that Form 1's are pretty quick right now

Whereas Form 3's are taking some time due to greater demand.

And yeah, I have only looked at rimfire suppressors so that's where I got my price range from. Still too high for what's essentially a metal can with washers inside.

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