I watched "Dreamland...", the LeBron James produced account of the massacre of Black people...

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in Tulsa in 1921. It told the story of killings, lootings and bombing of the prosperous Greenwood section of Tulsa well, but I wonder if there was some kind of sanction placed on LeBron and his partner Maverick Carter on tallying up the monetary loses in the district and the legacy of nothing left to be passed on to children and grandchildren? Multi-generational wealth.

I'm a numbers guy when it comes to money. There were 1250 homes destroyed and looted. Businesses had their safes looted, banks of course too also before the burning and bombing began. Again, there was no tallying estimates of dollar value lost then and what it translates to now in 2021 dollars. It has to be in the billions. Just think of the Black-built and owned hotel there. If not for the massacre and destruction the owner might well have built other hotels in other towns and districts...maybe his family would've become a Hilton-like brand, a Black-owned franchise.

There was just a scant mention of the word reparation/restitution by insurance companies and the trick clause they put in policies that excludes damages caused by riots. And of course the media and authorities called the massacre of Black lives and destruction of Black property that they they themselves did, they labeled it a Black riot—evilness to the max so they could not just hide their crimes for decades, but also not pay for them.

[DENVERPOPS]

1. It was nowhere near the genocide

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compared to the Genocide of tens of Millions of native Americans by our "forefathers".......

One article I read said that they estimated 60 million Native Americans were here in 1492.
The same article said 90% were wiped out by the white men who came to North America.....

[StarfishSaver]

2. Your point being?

[DENVERPOPS]

5. That there are

more than just blacks that have to be acknowledged in this countries history of racism.

[Wanderlust988]

6. This topic is specifically on the Tulsa massacre, not the Holocaust

If you want to acknowledge the other atrocities, you're free to start a thread on those, but this topic is about Tulsa. If you don't like discussing it, then you can kick rocks.

[secondwind]

7. Wow. Cool it.

[druidity33]

8. Actually i think that was appropriate. nt.

[StarfishSaver]

12. Given the post they were responding to, this was very cool.

[obamanut2012]

20. nope, they have no reason to cool it

[StarfishSaver]

11. Nice try, but that wasn't your point

The Holocaust - which was included in your post before you edited it - was not part of "this countries history of racism." In fact, it was the headline and main point with the Native American genocide an afterthought.

It was nowhere near the genocide
that Hitler accomplished.

AND a drop in the bucket compared to the Genocide of tens of Millions of native Americans by our "forefathers".......

So that obviously wasn't the point.

The only thing this country's history of racism had to do with your post was the glaring but failed attempt to downplay this country's racism against African Americans.

[joetheman]

13. YES! Thank you. It happens all the time from the "left" as well as the "right." nt

[StarfishSaver]

16. We shouldn't talk about the 1/6 insurrection

since it was just a drop in the bucket compared to the Civil War and French Revolution ...

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3. Hogwash. You're leaving out millions killed during the middle passage and 400 years...

of enslavedment, jim crow and the current spate of innocent, unarmed Black people killed by racist police.

Nice try though in trying minimze the racist history of this nation. It doesn't work though.

[DENVERPOPS]

4. The Native Americans

are a "race" of people.........

I was not trying to "minimize" any or all of what has been going on in the U.S. for centuries.

[StarfishSaver]

14. Why did you edit your post to take out the Holocaust reference

and then claim you were simply referring to "this countries history of racism"?

[obamanut2012]

21. Oh, it is obvious you are minimalizing the Tulsa Massacre

By your "clever" editing after posting, and by doubling down.

THIS OP is about the Tulsa Massacre, which you keep minimalizing in every one of your posts!

Just stop.

[Elessar Zappa]

10. This post isn't about Native Americans.

Why don’t you start your own thread instead of pissing on this one?

[obamanut2012]

19. Good lord, just stop

You are really embarrassing yourself.

[LanternWaste]

24. Is anyone of note arguing otherwise?

Or are you simply frustrated by the amount of attention the Tulsa Massacre centennial is being given?

[d_r]

9. Intergenerational wealth

I am not talking about just the mega millionaires and billionaires.
Think about the upper middle class and lower upper middle class families that have a lake house that is passed down in generations. Or that have cash for a down payment on a home from their parents giving it to them, or whose parents buy them an expensive new car. A big start on that intergenerational wealth was lost in Tulsa massacre and in a thousand other ways since slavery was ended.

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17. Post-enslavement is a piece on it's own, but I say don't leave out that 300 years of...

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unpaid, stolen labor that left Black people nothing but the clothes on their backs after the Civil War, with no accumulated wealth to pass on to children and grandchildren from centuries of back-breaking, dawn-to-duck labor That is owed as well.

[d_r]

22. Yeah

I agree with you.

I think people are more likely to forget the past two hundred years and say that slavery was a long time ago. They say things like it was so long ago that it doesn't impact people today, none of us were there. It's Bs of course.

[d_r]

23. And also

A lot of that wealth that some families passed down was earned on the backs of slaves

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25. Yes. Exactamundo. Millions benefited and continue to from the wealth generated by stolen labor.

[StarfishSaver]

15. I haven't seen it yet - too painful

But I need to watch it.

Thanks for lifting it up.

[brush]

18. Thanks. I know you'll get around to watching it.