If you refused to get one of the C-19 vaccines and you get the disease you should be ...

[Botany]

... denied all medical attention.

Fuck it I'm done with these MAGA/Evangelical assholes.

[Demsrule86]

1. No, some folks are genuinely scared...have a friend who wants to have a baby and some studies

supposedly show that the vaccine could cause issues...I honestly don't think so. It is too early for a definitive study...at best they have a correlation. But she is scared.

[Phoenix61]

2. It seems this is where the vaccine/infertility issue came from.

Here’s Where That COVID-19 Vaccine Infertility Myth Came From—And Why It Is Not True
Posted on April 23, 2021 by Henry Ford Health System Staff

https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/04/fertility-rumor-covid-vaccine

[Effete Snob]

3. What makes people think they found something on the internet that doctors missed?

There are no such studies. It is anti-vax bullshit.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact

MYTH: The COVID-19 vaccine can affect women’s fertility.

FACT: The COVID-19 vaccine will not affect fertility. The truth is that the COVID-19 vaccine encourages the body to create copies of the spike protein found on the coronavirus’s surface. This “teaches” the body’s immune system to fight the virus that has that specific spike protein on it.

Confusion arose when a false report surfaced on social media, saying that the spike protein on this coronavirus was the same as another spike protein called syncitin-1 that is involved in the growth and attachment of the placenta during pregnancy. The false report said that getting the COVID-19 vaccine would cause a woman’s body to fight this different spike protein and affect her fertility. The two spike proteins are completely different and distinct, and getting the COVID-19 vaccine will not affect the fertility of women who are seeking to become pregnant, including through in vitro fertilization methods. During the Pfizer vaccine tests, 23 women volunteers involved in the study became pregnant, and the only one who suffered a pregnancy loss had not received the actual vaccine, but a placebo.

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You know what will fuck up your friend's ability to reproduce? Getting Covid-19.

[dawg day]

6. Then encourage her to do actual research into this topic

because it's not true.

There is no correlation, because there is no evidence.

MU Health Care family medicine doctor Laura Morris, MD, has heard it so many times, she doesn’t even wait for her patients to bring it up.

“I proactively address this rumor with my patients of reproductive age who have not been vaccinated,” said Morris, who treats pregnant women and delivers babies as part of her practice. “There is no plausible reason — no medical or scientific mechanism — for this vaccine to interact with a woman’s reproductive organs or have any interaction with an egg that’s been released or fertilized.”

However, Covid itself probably does have an effect on fertility, especially if she DIES or if she spends a year battling the illness.



https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/does-covid-19-vaccine-affect-fertility-heres-what-experts-say

[peggysue2]

21. The only problem with: do the research suggestion?

Is that too many rely on internet sites that confirm their own pre-existing bias. Facebook, for instance.

There's plenty of information out there, a lot good but also a lot based on faulty or misread data. You need to dig and read and depend on professional, medical sources, not opinionated bloggers.

One of the big problems right now is that those who fall into conspiracy theory suspect the experts, intellectuals and professional class. That's by design. This entire movement is based on: don't trust your lying eyes and ears. Also, don't trust your critical thinking skills. Believe only . . . conspiracy theory and your own fear and mistrust.

It's a problem that's not going away anytime soon.

This is sadly too true:

However, Covid itself probably does have an effect on fertility, especially if she DIES or if she spends a year battling the illness.

[Effete Snob]

22. Yep

Conspiracy theorists of all stripes have "done research" - i.e. "Googled up shit that confirms what they already think they know".

[dawg day]

23. I'm trying to ask questions, like:

"When you need information, who do you trust? How do you judge whether someone should be trusted to give you the right information?"

We really need to teach critical thinking every year starting in 2nd grade maybe.

[jimfields33]

4. What's next after this?

I actually think repugs would go for this if you add a whole slew of behaviors that they don’t agree with. This would be a huge slippery slope.

[Orrex]

8. We might limit it to behaviors that actively and demonstrably exacerbate a worldwide plague

[BSdetect]

9. There has to be some control for prevention but so many problems arise with denial of help

[Orrex]

12. Maybe not outright denial, but...

They could either be required to pay a significantly higher insurance premium or perhaps face reduced coverage for illnesses that could readily have been prevented by vaccination. There is plenty of precedent for this; my insurance won't cover damage to my vehicle if I enter a demolition derby, nor will my life insurance cover me if I die while base-jumping.

Anti-vax holdouts could also be triaged at a lower priority than those who made the responsible choice to vaccinate, assuming otherwise equal severity of illness. That is, if one bed is available, and two patients need it, then doctors might reasonably favor the person who made a responsible effort to avoid the illness.

etc.

[Bullfeathers]

5. I understand the

anxiousness this can bring to someone but where would it end?

Would you deny a smoker medical attention or someone who did’t wear a seat belt?
How about a person who didn’t wear proper clothing in the winter?

We protect ourselves by getting vaccinated. We get the flu shot so that person who did’t get the shot and did catch the flu doesn’t pass any deadly disease to us.

I trust being vaccinated.
My state ended the mask mandates and I feel liberated. I still see people wearing masks and I assume they haven’t been vaccinated

[MontanaMama]

7. Why do you assume people wearing masks

are not vaccinated? Many people wear masks in certain situations even though they’re fully vaxxed. I wear one to the grocery store and other places where I’m not sure if everyone around me is vaccinated.

[Orrex]

11. I'm vaccinated, but I continue to wear my masks for at least five main reasons

1. My employer requires masks for direct customer interaction
2. All evidence of the past year shows that a certain group can't be trusted in matters of public health
3. Wearing a mask costs me nothing
4. Wearing a mask certainly doesn't compromise my notion of "liberation"
5. Wearing a mask shows other, more vulnerable people that I am concerned about their well-being

As for the dubious analogies about smokers, seat belts, and light winter clothing:

1. Smoking is forbidden in public buildings and most private establishments, as well as a great many public spaces. Unless you're willing to bar non-vaccinated fools from entering such places, then the analogy fails.

2. The non-use of seat belts poses a threat to others only in rare circumstances; the behavior nor COVID-denying no-mask anti-vax assholes is a direct and active threat to public health, so the analogy fails.

3. One's inadequate clothing in winter also seldom poses a threat to others, so the analogy fails. Unless you're talking about a parent inadequately protecting their child, in which case there are laws in place to address that.


I got that vaccine to protect myself but equally to protect others, because I like to imagine that I live in a functioning society and not a fantasy wasteland of rugged individualists.

[Bullfeathers]

17. I'm with on your

last paragraph but honestly there are so many different opinions on this topic that I just give up

[USALiberal]

10. Lol, ok! Nt

T

[MissMillie]

13. I was going to say...

... "not surprised"

[MuseRider]

14. With most things I would agree

but with medical issues I think we should err on the side of kindness, NOT understanding but kindness. At some point when they think about it, if they are still able to think, some might be apt to think a little deeper. Likely not but I think on this, being a medical person and knowing what we all swear to do with our knowledge, that the right thing to do is treat them.

On everything else, fuck 'em.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. We need vaccine passports and to exclude/shun assholes who refuse to be vaccinated

[AmBlue]

16. I understand the sentiment. but...

Practically speaking, it might just make more sense to double their heathcare premiums. You know they're gonna need it, and it won't be cheap when they do. It's only fair to let THEM pay for when they or their fellow maggots get COVID.

[WyattKansas]

19. Well they all want to go back to the Wild West...

So I guess they are saying to shoot them just like those who didn't follow quarantine orders in the Wild West. Don't try to analyze what they claim they want, run into their delusions and shatter them with their own claims.