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question everything

(47,522 posts)
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:26 PM Jun 2021

I Just donated to Shontel Brown

Last edited Thu Jun 3, 2021, 12:56 AM - Edit history (2)

https://shontelbrown.com/

I find it hard to accept that so many support Nina Turner who said "voting for Joe Biden is like eating a bowl of s**t"

https://news.yahoo.com/sanders-campaign-co-chair-compares-192803568.html

Edit:
Apologies. I often tend to drop the “I”. As in: “wonder who will fill this seat.”. Which of course should be I wonder who will fill this seat..

I did not realise this until I saw a post down thread.


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I Just donated to Shontel Brown (Original Post) question everything Jun 2021 OP
I'm a 100% with you on this!👏🏼 arthritisR_US Jun 2021 #1
Yeah I don't think that comment is going to play well DemocracyWins Jun 2021 #2
Nina Turner was no help to Dem candidates vs. Trump in '16 and '20. oasis Jun 2021 #3
Just gave to Shontel again....You're so right! PortTack Jun 2021 #4
Done Nikossitti Jun 2021 #5
Agree. betsuni Jun 2021 #6
People who don't follow politics closely don't know who either of these women are... MerryBlooms Jun 2021 #7
And another donation to Nina :). Thanks for the reminder! nt Doremus Jun 2021 #8
Will she do the Sanders switcheroo? question everything Jun 2021 #9
She didn't when she was my state senator. Doremus Jun 2021 #10
Lol! Ok! Nt USALiberal Jun 2021 #21
She was appointed not elected. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #30
She was elected her second term. Get your facts straight. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #54
Hm. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #74
Now go look up "selected by the Ohio Senate Democratic caucus" Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #109
That was more than a decade ago. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. George II Jun 2021 #112
That was more than 10 years ago. You know what you say about "people can change".... George II Jun 2021 #143
That was 11 years ago, long before "The People's Party" was created, by her. George II Jun 2021 #102
Nina Turner was appointed. She didn't win an election. And the Clintons backed her and helped her. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #128
She has never defeated anyone in an election. George II Jun 2021 #141
That isn't true of Sanders dsc Jun 2021 #23
He ran as a Democrat in the primaries of 2006, 2012 and 2018 question everything Jun 2021 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #11
Bull.. don't tell who we can "Donate" Cha Jun 2021 #14
You mean like the OP is? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jun 2021 #87
Excuse me? I'll contribute to whomever I want. AND..... George II Jun 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #25
She is not a Democrat...got literature...she has a different party. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #31
She is one of the founders of "The People's Party", and if she/they had their way she'd be running.. George II Jun 2021 #56
So then, using your criteria you agree Nina Turner is not "a Biden supporter"? Here are just a few.. George II Jun 2021 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #38
No they're not "the distant past". They're all from last summer during the Presidential.... George II Jun 2021 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #51
Less than a year ago. So you're excusing Turner's continued attacks on the Democratic Party and.... George II Jun 2021 #53
I am just curious: has she even recanted these comments? Apologized? question everything Jun 2021 #139
She was interviewed by Charles Blow a couple of weeks ago. He asked her if she regretted.... George II Jun 2021 #142
You're right! lol @ ".. the distant past.." what a Cha Jun 2021 #55
The "bowl of shit" comment is from June 2020. Months before the convention Arazi Jun 2021 #75
That was the FIRST time she used it. She also used it July 28 2020, long after Joe Biden became.... George II Jun 2021 #81
Ah, now I see. Determined to hold a grudge Arazi Jun 2021 #82
No, I'm determined to support our Democratic President. It's as simple as that, no clarifying needed George II Jun 2021 #84
Last summer is years ago? mcar Jun 2021 #97
You bring Biden passion to a whole new level. RegularJam Jun 2021 #118
How convenient... Your gal, Turner does & says everything possible to hurt Biden & Dems & YOU pull hlthe2b Jun 2021 #89
No.. you're Wrong.. We ARE President Biden Supporters.. Cha Jun 2021 #114
The OP is telling me where my donations should go. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #27
question everything isn't telling you or anyone who NOT to contribute to or saying that.... George II Jun 2021 #33
"Just donate to Shontel Brown." That's a pretty clear command. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #34
Nothing even close to the post to which I responded, but whatever............ George II Jun 2021 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #40
Nowhere did the OP say "Don't waste money on Nina", but you said "Don't waste money on Shontel"... George II Jun 2021 #94
I apologise. I just edited the op that I tend to drop the "I" question everything Jun 2021 #41
Not a problem. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #42
That's a bit better. StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #43
I will donate as I please. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #78
Really? Is that you, Nina? hlthe2b Jun 2021 #85
Lol! sheshe2 Jun 2021 #96
Nina Turner is the one candidate that could cost us the seat...she really is. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #12
Looks to me that if elected she will be a divisive person in the House question everything Jun 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #24
Oh please....that is BS...Nina doesn't want unity...she would be disruptive and I expect would Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #45
I voted for Joe (happily). PTWB Jun 2021 #28
The "squad" are solid Democrats. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #29
Another reference to the same polling firm that was paid TexasTowelie Jun 2021 #16
Bazinga! George II Jun 2021 #20
Thank you. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #80
Yes, in the only poll that's come out so far, and by a pollster that was paid by Turner: George II Jun 2021 #18
You do know that every politician pays their own pollsters, right? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #32
Yes I know candidates pay their own pollsters, but they're used internally to adjust a campaign.... George II Jun 2021 #37
So now it's not the accuracy of those polls but how she's using them? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #39
If it's not one thing it's another. Autumn Jun 2021 #48
In a word. No. George II Jun 2021 #138
So why make the argument about how she uses the polls? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #140
Tulchin's numbers were way off in 2020 for Sanders too... PunkinPi Jun 2021 #137
"One of our strongest allies"? An "ally" would have supported oasis Jun 2021 #22
Nada. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #90
One of our strongest allies? mcar Jun 2021 #98
Pollsters paid by her...Give it some time. You can be damn sure when I volunteer for the Shontel, Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #130
It's still early.. Thank you for this, Cha Jun 2021 #15
Post removed Post removed Jun 2021 #17
Kamala Harris accused Joe Biden of loving segregationists during the debates Arazi Jun 2021 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #47
I read that our delightful First Lady in a phone call said"Go f--- yourself" Autumn Jun 2021 #50
Did Jill say this to Kamala's face in the moment or was it a more or less private phone call? Hekate Jun 2021 #65
Sarcasm? No it was not sarcasm. After the First Nude Jill Biden is a delight, Autumn Jun 2021 #92
Any first hand report on this, Autumn? George II Jun 2021 #101
There were no first hand reports, and because neither party wanted to dignify the supposed words JohnSJ Jun 2021 #103
That's what I thought. But some just won't let it go even though probably false. George II Jun 2021 #107
There's a link George. You know how to click it? Autumn Jun 2021 #104
I read the link, thank you Autumn. That's why I asked if there are any FIRST HAND reports, Autumn... George II Jun 2021 #106
Try Google George. Or not. Autumn Jun 2021 #108
Well Autumn, if you wanted me to try Google myself why did you provide the link AND direct me to it? George II Jun 2021 #110
You didn't seem to know the link was there George. Autumn Jun 2021 #111
I knew the link was there, Autumn, but I knew it didn't contain the information you claimed. George II Jun 2021 #113
Then why ask if you know something was or wasn't there? I never claimed I had a first hand report. Autumn Jun 2021 #115
I asked because your "source" (i.e., link) didn't have a first hand source, Autumn..... George II Jun 2021 #117
Let me explain George. Again. I made no claims. I posted an article, like people do on message Autumn Jun 2021 #119
You "made no claims", Autumn? You said this: George II Jun 2021 #120
That's some nasty selective editing George. You left off a very important part. Autumn Jun 2021 #121
You posted it Autumn, no one else. That's like the catch-all "it has been reported". Goodnight now! George II Jun 2021 #122
Hate to break the news to you George. Not only has it been reported, it was published. IN A BOOK!!! Autumn Jun 2021 #123
But did it happen, Autumn? That is the question! No evidence that it ever happened. George II Jun 2021 #124
No, Autumn...I was furious about Kamala's comments. However, she was Democrat running as a Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #131
You need Democrats. No? Might be a good idea to get them and work on keeping them. Autumn Jun 2021 #135
Vice President Kamala Harris did NOT Cha Jun 2021 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #57
lol.. Why are you "wagging your finger"? Cha Jun 2021 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #59
Why are YOU defending someone who is attacking our allies, namely Nina Turner, as demonstrated.... George II Jun 2021 #61
Post removed Post removed Jun 2021 #64
Sorry, apparently even Charles M. Blow, who was interviewing her, doesn't agree. Amazing take.... George II Jun 2021 #76
Exactly.. Mahalo for the Reality Check! Cha Jun 2021 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #70
Welp. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #86
Tell that to Nina Turner.. & I was Thanking George for Cha Jun 2021 #105
Get a grip Hekate Jun 2021 #62
Thank you! Cha Jun 2021 #71
lol.. More "finger wagging".. Cha Jun 2021 #66
Post removed Post removed Jun 2021 #67
Physician, heal thyself. LanternWaste Jun 2021 #91
Excellent points.. Thank You! Cha Jun 2021 #126
Who are you to judge other Democrats' choice of candidates in this way? mcar Jun 2021 #99
Nina Turner helped Trump in two election cycles, said Democrats had to be investigate in order Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #132
No .. nina won't be.. " Cha Jun 2021 #125
That was more than a year and a half ago. Careful, you might be accused of "dredging up".... George II Jun 2021 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author StrictlyRockers Jun 2021 #69
No she didn't, and even the person who interviewed her, Charles M. Blow doesn't think that.... George II Jun 2021 #79
Excuse me! Cha Jun 2021 #116
Nonsense...I can quote Nina all day...saying anti-Democratic Party things...and even Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #133
Read post 35, above question everything Jun 2021 #72
Nope. The "bowl of shit" comment was made in June 2020 during primary season Arazi Jun 2021 #77
That was the first time she said it, when she was interviewed in The Atlantic. She used it.... George II Jun 2021 #83
TY for that.. I didn't know Cha Jun 2021 #88
Actually I have those two reversed - she said it the 1st time in a Zoom meeting in June, the 2nd... George II Jun 2021 #93
Thanks for the correction.. Cha Jun 2021 #95
Biden has won the nomination in June...so you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #134
Just did as well! LowerManhattanite Jun 2021 #73
Thanks for the OP. I happily just donated again to the only OH-11 Dem who has long proven her worth Budi Jun 2021 #100
I am donating to her as soon as this house sale is over and will work for her...people need Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #127
I'll donate to the candidate the Democrats of Ohio choose as their nominee. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2021 #136
In my world 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2021 #144
 

DemocracyWins

(259 posts)
2. Yeah I don't think that comment is going to play well
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:36 PM
Jun 2021

In that district and will come back to bite her. And plus she already stands in opposition to Biden,

oasis

(49,401 posts)
3. Nina Turner was no help to Dem candidates vs. Trump in '16 and '20.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:37 PM
Jun 2021

Shontel Brown will be the kind of Democrat the Party can count on.

MerryBlooms

(11,771 posts)
7. People who don't follow politics closely don't know who either of these women are...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:36 PM
Jun 2021

During work this week, I asked both men I care for, if they heard the latest about this race. Both said, No, and both said they didn't know who either women were. None of the people close to me know anything about these women either. The common remark was, 'As long as they aren't a republican.' Exception being, my one clients who is a republican said, 'Who gives a shit?'. I live in a household of three dem voting women, I'm the only one who know who these women are. I know I couldn't find 20 random people on the street who know who they are. Yet here on DU? It's life or death. Reality v internet politics. The average Joe on the street, nope. They don't care. They care about gas prices, food cost, the fires in our area, and the weather. I didn't spend time today searching about which politicians said something that might piss me off. I spent time trying to find outside concerts to take my sister to; if the county fair is on; if the Shakespeare festival is on; if Britt festival has it's schedule up yet. Went to work. Paid bills. Sent money to ACLU. Checked in with DU. Will make dinner soon. Whoever wins that race will be 1,000 x's better than any republican, that's all I care about.

Have a lovely evening. It's beautiful here in southern OR tonight... high was 102, but this evening is lovely. My kitties are all about the snuggles- doesn't get better than that.

question everything

(47,522 posts)
9. Will she do the Sanders switcheroo?
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:43 PM
Jun 2021

Run as a Democrat in the primaries and then switch to Independent, or green in the general?

I will continue to donate to her. I can afford this.

and why not donate to DU?

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
10. She didn't when she was my state senator.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:45 PM
Jun 2021

She has a fine track record of standing up for her constituents. I care more about her stance on the issues than her party loyalty, tbh. I say this as a long-time member of DU who has donated here many times over the years and served as a Democratic Committee Chair in my precinct. Did I pass your loyalty test?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
54. She was elected her second term. Get your facts straight.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:03 PM
Jun 2021

She was unanimously selected by the Ohio Senate Democratic caucus to serve the first (remainder) term.


Hmm, chosen unanimously by DEMOCRATS.

sheshe2

(83,875 posts)
74. Hm.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:11 PM
Jun 2021
Hmm, chosen unanimously by DEMOCRATS.


Definition of unanimous
1: formed with or indicating unanimity : having the agreement and consent of all


So she won every Democratic vote in her district? That is not possible and therefore not a "unanimous" win. I give you she won the majority yet that is not the definition of unanimous.

George II

(67,782 posts)
112. That was more than a decade ago. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:03 PM
Jun 2021

The fact is (you can check Ballotpedia* on this), she's never defeated any opponent in any election.

* https://ballotpedia.org/Nina_Turner_(Ohio)#Elections

George II

(67,782 posts)
143. That was more than 10 years ago. You know what you say about "people can change"....
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 05:46 PM
Jun 2021

Over the years, how many people has she defeated in elections?

George II

(67,782 posts)
102. That was 11 years ago, long before "The People's Party" was created, by her.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:36 PM
Jun 2021

So what's her stance on defunding the police? Does she have a firm position on that issue?

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
128. Nina Turner was appointed. She didn't win an election. And the Clintons backed her and helped her.
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 09:45 AM
Jun 2021

Of course, she stabbed them in the back in the end...and Joe Biden too. She is a member of the People's Party and not a Democrat. I have seen her literature. I live in Ohio. There is no way she is really ahead. I have heard here in Ohio and on Du that she paid the polling firm...My fear is that Democrats won't come out for her if she somehow gets the nomination and the seat will go to a Republican.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
23. That isn't true of Sanders
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:33 AM
Jun 2021

His first two runs, one win and one loss were as an independent. After those initial races, he was offered the Democratic endorsement and took it.

question everything

(47,522 posts)
63. He ran as a Democrat in the primaries of 2006, 2012 and 2018
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:51 PM
Jun 2021

Once won, he switched to Independent for the general elections

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Bernie_Sanders

Yes, it is up to the Vermonters (Vermonters?) to decide.

Response to question everything (Original post)

Cha

(297,574 posts)
14. Bull.. don't tell who we can "Donate"
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:22 AM
Jun 2021

to.

Sending my money to Shontle Brown.. & just because you say its "wasted" means nothing.

Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #26)

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Excuse me? I'll contribute to whomever I want. AND.....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 08:37 AM
Jun 2021

.....you say "You can't call yourself a Biden supporter if you engage in these kinds of divisive tactics", in a discussion about a "Democrat" who called Biden a "half bowl of shit"?

Perhaps you should direct your lecture about "unity" to Turner herself?

Finally, regarding Democratic unity, here's a quote from Turner's own People's Party:

The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat


https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

...indicating that OUR Democratic Party is her second choice!!!

Response to George II (Reply #19)

George II

(67,782 posts)
56. She is one of the founders of "The People's Party", and if she/they had their way she'd be running..
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:10 PM
Jun 2021

...on THAT line instead of the Democratic line. From their website:

https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

It’s official! Sen. Nina Turner is running for Congress. She’s running for the seat vacated by Rep. Marcia Fudge, who Joe Biden has chosen as secretary of Housing and Urban Development. The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat, but we can’t think of anyone better to win that seat and bring a friend of the People’s Party to Congress.


She will "HAVE" to run as Democrat, obviously reluctantly. I wonder if she'll remain a Democrat or, when they do get registered in Ohio she'll switch to "The People's Party"?

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. So then, using your criteria you agree Nina Turner is not "a Biden supporter"? Here are just a few..
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:30 PM
Jun 2021

...short videos of Ms. Turner giving her opinion of the Democratic Party and President Biden. Do you even bother to listen to what she says? These are her own words in the videos! In each and every one of these she's bashing either the Democratic Party of President Joe Biden, or both.

Where's the unity coming from Ms. Turner?




"I don't have any faith, I have NO FAITH in the Democratic Party:




"So I likened it, this is how I describe it: you've got TWO BOWLS OF SH*T in front of you. And you got to pick one. That's the situation we're in." (note, it's no longer one bowl and Biden is only half a bowl of shit, now he's a FULL bowl of shit!), and voting for Biden vs. trump is like choosing between the fox and the wolf:




Promoting her People's Party over the Democratic Party:




Response to George II (Reply #35)

George II

(67,782 posts)
49. No they're not "the distant past". They're all from last summer during the Presidential....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:23 PM
Jun 2021

.....campaign, less than a year ago. I'm not being divisive, Nina Turner is, those are her own words on VIDEO, speaking about the Democratic Party AND Joe Biden!

We all supported Biden because we wanted him to win, except for a few people like you


Are you serious? The weekend before the New Hampshire Primary I drove two hours up to Nashua NH and spent the weekend going door to door campaigning for Biden!!!! Now you're being frigging insulting, claiming I didn't want Biden to win. Unbelievable!

Response to George II (Reply #49)

George II

(67,782 posts)
53. Less than a year ago. So you're excusing Turner's continued attacks on the Democratic Party and....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:54 PM
Jun 2021

....President Joe Biden?

By the way, here's one more I "dredged up" from three weeks ago. Charles Blow asked her if she regretted HER divisive rhetoric but instead she just doubled down. Oh, and thanks for the additional couple of personal attacks.




George II

(67,782 posts)
142. She was interviewed by Charles Blow a couple of weeks ago. He asked her if she regretted....
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 05:44 PM
Jun 2021

....what she said about Biden and the Democratic Party. She refused to answer the question (I've posted the 2 minute video somewhere on DU)

Cha

(297,574 posts)
55. You're right! lol @ ".. the distant past.." what a
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:04 PM
Jun 2021

load.

Nina Turner say this on July 28, 2020.. right before the most Important Election of our LIVES..

Not the Distant Past.. So who's "Divisive"?!!

Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating ‘S**t’

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
75. The "bowl of shit" comment is from June 2020. Months before the convention
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:12 PM
Jun 2021

And during primary season.

Contentiousness is part of every primary. You're not a novice. You know this

George II

(67,782 posts)
81. That was the FIRST time she used it. She also used it July 28 2020, long after Joe Biden became....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:24 PM
Jun 2021

....the presumptive nominee and just three weeks (not "months&quot before the Convention of August 17, AND she also used it during the general election campaign in the fall, presumably when GOOD Democrats rally around the party nominee. "You're not a novice, you know this", right?

Just a few weeks ago when given an opportunity to express regret for that and other remarks she's made about now President Joe Biden and the Democratic Party, she refused to do so.

George II

(67,782 posts)
84. No, I'm determined to support our Democratic President. It's as simple as that, no clarifying needed
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:33 PM
Jun 2021

mcar

(42,372 posts)
97. Last summer is years ago?
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 08:17 PM
Jun 2021

I know I've lost track of time during COVID but that's a bit of a stretch.

Just yesterday, Biden called out (not by name but by inference), 2 Democratic senators who are blocking things in the Senate. He wants unity but that doesn't mean unswerving loyalty to one specific not-Dem who is running as a Dem because she hasn't any other choice.

Also, Shontel Brown is a Dem. Why is supporting her not unity?

hlthe2b

(102,346 posts)
89. How convenient... Your gal, Turner does & says everything possible to hurt Biden & Dems & YOU pull
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:57 PM
Jun 2021

out the "unity" card? Really?

Look for this in the new Merriam Webster edition under "disingenuous."

Cha

(297,574 posts)
114. No.. you're Wrong.. We ARE President Biden Supporters..
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:06 PM
Jun 2021

and why we don't want Nina Turner in Congress who said ugly untrue things about our Democratic Nominee for POTUS.. 3 months before the General Election Against the Treasonous Psycho trump.

Did she have ANYTHING to say about trump? huh?

Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating ‘S**t’

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. question everything isn't telling you or anyone who NOT to contribute to or saying that....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:20 PM
Jun 2021

....contributions to anyone other than the chosen candidate are "a waste of money", as the person to whom I responded did.

Big difference between the OP and the post to which I responded.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
34. "Just donate to Shontel Brown." That's a pretty clear command.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:25 PM
Jun 2021

I fully realize that you agree with the OP and not those telling you to donate to Turner, but both are telling you what to do.

Response to George II (Reply #36)

George II

(67,782 posts)
94. Nowhere did the OP say "Don't waste money on Nina", but you said "Don't waste money on Shontel"...
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:38 PM
Jun 2021

Do you REALLY think those two posts here are "the same directive"?

- The OP told people to donate to Shontel Brown.

- You told people to not waste their money on Shontel.

One is a positive, the other is a negative.

question everything

(47,522 posts)
41. I apologise. I just edited the op that I tend to drop the "I"
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:50 PM
Jun 2021

Though I did not say: “Just donate,” in a command form but “Just donated.”

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
42. Not a problem.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:56 PM
Jun 2021

I had no issue with it as written. Just seemed weird that others were OK with it but not others saying the opposite.

Though it makes more sense as edited.

Response to question everything (Original post)

question everything

(47,522 posts)
13. Looks to me that if elected she will be a divisive person in the House
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:18 AM
Jun 2021

Just like the “squad.”.

We have to remember that moderates took the house in 2018. We lost seats in 2020 because so many voters were apprehensive about what appeared to be a left tilt of the party and the prominence given to Sanders, who is not even a Democrat.

Yes, many here want to shift to the left, but good luck in keeping the house with such shifts, especially when historically the party that is in the White House loses seats in the mid term elections.

Many here are happy with what appears to be a left shift by Biden, but he first had to be elected. Neither Sanders, nor Warren, not even Harris would have won had they been the nominees.

If the Democratic party will lose the moderate votes, it will lose any control. We will not always have Trump to repel moderate voters.

But then, again, as we have seen in 1968 and in 2016, too many Democrats chose to stay home or, worse, vote for Jill Stein and for Trump then support the nominee.

Response to question everything (Reply #13)

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
44. Oh please....that is BS...Nina doesn't want unity...she would be disruptive and I expect would
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 02:33 PM
Jun 2021

have no issue voting with the GOP...she said she would endorse them in fact when she was head of Our Revolution. She is not a Democrat but a member of the People's Party. It says so in her literature. And I live in Cleveland regardless of what this paid-for poll says, Nina is not popular here. I worry we could lose the seat if we don't get Democrats out and many have not forgotten the things she said about Democrats in past years.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #44)

TexasTowelie

(112,387 posts)
16. Another reference to the same polling firm that was paid
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:22 AM
Jun 2021

$80,000 in the first quarter of this year and has other connections to Nina Turner in the past? No, they can't be biased at all.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Yes, in the only poll that's come out so far, and by a pollster that was paid by Turner:
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 08:18 AM
Jun 2021

From her 1Q FEC filing:

TULCHIN RESEARCH RESEARCH CONSULTING 2/24/2021 $20,000
TULCHIN RESEARCH RESEARCH CONSULTING 1/22/2021 $60,000

Her fourth highest expenditure, about 10% of her total expenditures. When one pays for a poll to be conducted one better get spectacular results, don't you think?

Tulchin also says on his website:

He most recently served as Bernie Sanders’s pollster in the U.S. Senator’s presidential campaign


https://tulchinresearch.com/team/ben-tulchin/

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
32. You do know that every politician pays their own pollsters, right?
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:19 PM
Jun 2021

And those pollsters don't continue to have a job if they give faulty polls to the politicians that rely on them right?

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Yes I know candidates pay their own pollsters, but they're used internally to adjust a campaign....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 01:37 PM
Jun 2021

Generally they keep them confidential.

They very rarely, if ever, run off to the media boasting "look at me, I'm wiiinnning!" I know of only one other candidate to do that.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
48. If it's not one thing it's another.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:22 PM
Jun 2021
I donated to Nina and Katie when Katie endorsed her. I'll donate to Nina again. People in her state seem to like her and based on the people who don't like her my respect for her is going up.

oasis

(49,401 posts)
22. "One of our strongest allies"? An "ally" would have supported
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:14 AM
Jun 2021

our Democratic candidates in 2016 and 2020 against Trump.

What kind of General Election help did Nina Turner give to Hillary in 2016 or Joe Biden in 2020?

mcar

(42,372 posts)
98. One of our strongest allies?
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 08:20 PM
Jun 2021

How so? Be specific. How does comparing our Democratic president to a bowl of sh!t translate to being a strong ally?

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
130. Pollsters paid by her...Give it some time. You can be damn sure when I volunteer for the Shontel,
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 09:48 AM
Jun 2021

I will have literature containing Ms. Turner's comments on Democrats and how she helped Trump win.

Response to question everything (Original post)

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
46. Kamala Harris accused Joe Biden of loving segregationists during the debates
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 02:57 PM
Jun 2021

Now their collegial colleagues.

Shockingly enough, contentiousness is part of the primaries and almost anyone who has been involved in politics for any amount of time gets over it.

Not sure why you believe that contentiousness during primaries ensures a person can never ever be a loyal Democrat.

Kamala Harris is example #1 that most politicians, other than the orange megalomaniac, move on.

Response to Arazi (Reply #46)

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
65. Did Jill say this to Kamala's face in the moment or was it a more or less private phone call?
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:53 PM
Jun 2021

Do tell. Especially since you did the sarcastic “delightful first lady” thingy, almost like she’s Melania.

So do tell.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
92. Sarcasm? No it was not sarcasm. After the First Nude Jill Biden is a delight,
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:12 PM
Jun 2021

I adore her. But any woman would be a delight after that cold fish Melania. I don't need to tell you anything, I did post a link, in the post that you responded to. There is this thing called Google. Try it.

JohnSJ

(92,372 posts)
103. There were no first hand reports, and because neither party wanted to dignify the supposed words
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:43 PM
Jun 2021

with a response, some decided that was an admission, which it isn’t

George II

(67,782 posts)
106. I read the link, thank you Autumn. That's why I asked if there are any FIRST HAND reports, Autumn...
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:52 PM
Jun 2021

There aren't any in the link, Autumn.

As far as I can see, Autumn, it's third-hand or even rumor or speculation.

Would gladly welcome a real accounting of this "phone call". Thanks in advance, Autumn.

George II

(67,782 posts)
110. Well Autumn, if you wanted me to try Google myself why did you provide the link AND direct me to it?
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:00 PM
Jun 2021

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
115. Then why ask if you know something was or wasn't there? I never claimed I had a first hand report.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:15 PM
Jun 2021

"I read" is not the same as "I heard". You know I'm not going to satisfy your curiosity about anything, you're an adult you know how it works. If you have a burning desire to know who has a first hand report on what the First Lady said, look for it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
117. I asked because your "source" (i.e., link) didn't have a first hand source, Autumn.....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:25 PM
Jun 2021

What you're telling us is that you based your post on rumor or speculation Autumn?

From what we know of our First Lady, she has too much class to say what you claimed she said, Autumn, and without a first hand report or eye-witness, I'm going to have to assume she never said that Autumn. It's disappointing that this was posted in the first place.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
119. Let me explain George. Again. I made no claims. I posted an article, like people do on message
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:36 PM
Jun 2021

boards , written by GRACE PANETTA for a reputable publication about a comment made by our First Lady. rofl: What can I say? I live to disappoint you George.

George II

(67,782 posts)
120. You "made no claims", Autumn? You said this:
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:46 PM
Jun 2021
our delightful First Lady in a phone call said"Go f--- yourself"


If that's not a "claim", Autumn, what is it? Fact remains, regardless of the two-step, you posted an unsubstantiated comment with no first hand confirmation. It's merely rumor or speculation or "gossip".

You don't disappoint me, Autumn, you actually confirm what I observe.



Autumn

(45,120 posts)
121. That's some nasty selective editing George. You left off a very important part.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:57 PM
Jun 2021

Three little words I read that What's the matter George? Those three little words didn't fit in your little blue excerpt box? Shame on you for that dirty little trick.

Autumn (40,466 posts)

I read that our delightful First Lady in a phone call said"Go f--- yourself"

to our VP after a debate in which she questioned Joe Biden's record on race.

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/jill-biden-said-go-f-yourself-during-a-call-with-supporters-after-kamala-harris-implied-in-a-debate-that-joe-biden-was-racist-book-says/articleshow/82770918.cms


That was mentioned at the time. And really George? You think I should get first hand confirmation before I post an article from a reputable publication ??? That's the most ridiculous demand I have ever seen. Coming from you, who accused a politician of fudging their polls with no proof or link, that is just rich.

George II

(67,782 posts)
122. You posted it Autumn, no one else. That's like the catch-all "it has been reported". Goodnight now!
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:01 PM
Jun 2021

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
123. Hate to break the news to you George. Not only has it been reported, it was published. IN A BOOK!!!
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:05 PM
Jun 2021

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
131. No, Autumn...I was furious about Kamala's comments. However, she was Democrat running as a
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 09:52 AM
Jun 2021

Democrat. If Nina Turner who is a member of the People's party wants to run, she should not do it as a Democrat. There is much outside money coming in, but people in Ohio don't like Nina Turner and all the paid-for polls in the world won't put her into office in my opinion. I expect the GOP wants her to be the candidate as it is their only chance to win the seat. She helped elect Trump and still aided him in 20...she is a terrible person and a worse candidate.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
135. You need Democrats. No? Might be a good idea to get them and work on keeping them.
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jun 2021

What a novel idea huh? Then Manchin and Sinema, both Democrats that meet your high standards, won't be holding Democratic leadership and the American people hostage.

Cha

(297,574 posts)
52. Vice President Kamala Harris did NOT
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:53 PM
Jun 2021

say .. ".. Voting for Biden is like eating shit.."

Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Compares Voting For Biden To Eating ‘S**t’

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nina-turner-joe-biden_n_5f200c04c5b638cfec49ecd5

No comparison.

Response to Cha (Reply #52)

Response to Cha (Reply #58)

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. Why are YOU defending someone who is attacking our allies, namely Nina Turner, as demonstrated....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:39 PM
Jun 2021

....in several videos posted in this thread, the most recent being May 12 - just three weeks ago?

You should be wagging your finger at her, not good longtime Democrats here.

It's demeaning, offensive, and insulting. You pulled that on me a couple of times in this thread, now you're doing it with others.

To quote you, "tsk tsk For shame."

Nina Turner, in her own words, on May 12, 2021:


Response to George II (Reply #61)

George II

(67,782 posts)
76. Sorry, apparently even Charles M. Blow, who was interviewing her, doesn't agree. Amazing take....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:12 PM
Jun 2021

...on that video and all her other videos by you.

And I see you tossed in a couple of more personal attacks:

Shame on you, George!


You should be ashamed of yourself for this petty and short-sighted nonsense.


It's a pity you can't discuss this with facts, logic, and civility, but have to resort to personal insults.

Response to Cha (Reply #68)

sheshe2

(83,875 posts)
86. Welp.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:41 PM
Jun 2021
70. You are very welcome.

I hope it sinks in that this is not the place for you to attack strong Democrats, whether or not you completely agree with all of their policy positions.


I hope you felt the same when Obama was called a POS, where a post vilifying him flew to the top of the page, as did his subsequent filth? When Hillary was vilified and a poster wanted her to effed with a brick? TOP OF THE PAGE! When Joe has been vilified and called a half bowl of shit and a Stein voter to boot. She is the strong DEMOCRAT you stand for? Thanks, no.

Cha

(297,574 posts)
105. Tell that to Nina Turner.. & I was Thanking George for
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:51 PM
Jun 2021

The Reality Check!

Look again who I posted to.

Response to Cha (Reply #66)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
91. Physician, heal thyself.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:11 PM
Jun 2021

Ten bucks says you fail to see the absurd irony in lecturing others regarding divisiveness.

Or, simply continue telling yourself the beam in your eye is less obvious than the mote in others.

Your choice to be the reflection of the best candidate you can be.

Or not.

Again... your choice.

mcar

(42,372 posts)
99. Who are you to judge other Democrats' choice of candidates in this way?
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 08:34 PM
Jun 2021

The finger wagging, accusations, etc. are unseemly. This is a primary.

This is a primary. People will choose whom they wish to support.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
132. Nina Turner helped Trump in two election cycles, said Democrats had to be investigate in order
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 10:01 AM
Jun 2021

to be endorsed by Our Revolution while saying that Republicans could also be endorsed...she endorsed and worked for anti-choice candidates like Heath Mello...she is not our ally. She supported the Greens during a critical election-2016. and then did not support our Presidential nominee in 2020. if we lose the right to choose given the current courts she bears some responsibility.

And she could lose the seat in Ohio. Outside money can't vote. And she is disliked in this state...paid for polls notwithstanding. And the clincher for me, why I will do all in my power to make sure she isn't our nominee in Ohio is that SHE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT. In fact, I think it is safe to say she despises the Democratic Party.

George II

(67,782 posts)
60. That was more than a year and a half ago. Careful, you might be accused of "dredging up"....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:36 PM
Jun 2021

...things from the "distant past" that are only a year old.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15488493

You are being intentionally divisive by bringing up things from the distant past


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15488956

you're dredging up videos from a year ago


How about this from just three WEEKS ago, long after the election and months after Biden was sworn in as President:


Response to George II (Reply #60)

George II

(67,782 posts)
79. No she didn't, and even the person who interviewed her, Charles M. Blow doesn't think that....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:15 PM
Jun 2021

More insults and finger wagging?

Shame on you, George!


You should be ashamed of yourself for this petty and short-sighted nonsense


You know, when I was very young growing up in Brooklyn, my parents taught me it was rude to point or wag fingers at anyone. I'll never forget that, and I still believe what I was taught. I guess you weren't taught that.

Cha

(297,574 posts)
116. Excuse me!
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:21 PM
Jun 2021

..not sure why you're literally "wagging your finger" and telling Democrats they "should be ashamed of themselves " but it's not working.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
133. Nonsense...I can quote Nina all day...saying anti-Democratic Party things...and even
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 10:05 AM
Jun 2021

your example shows her attacking the party...she helped the Republicans. And that my friend is unforgivable.

question everything

(47,522 posts)
72. Read post 35, above
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:03 PM
Jun 2021

This is not a debate between two candidates. This was a systemic attack on by then the presumed nominee. This os someone who wants a third party but "has no other choice" than to run as a Democrat.

Of course, this is what has mentor has been doing. Run as a Democrat in the primaries and then as in Independent in the general elections.

I realize that it is up to the Ohioans to decide and I hope that my donation will help Brown to spread the word.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
77. Nope. The "bowl of shit" comment was made in June 2020 during primary season
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:14 PM
Jun 2021

Convention wasn't until mid-August.

Are you a political newbie? I don't mean that judgementally or as a slam at all but contentious primaries are typical.

The adults move on after a lot of shit gets thrown around

George II

(67,782 posts)
83. That was the first time she said it, when she was interviewed in The Atlantic. She used it....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:33 PM
Jun 2021

....a couple of more times after that - once just weeks before the convention (July 28, convention opened August 17) and one more time during the general election campaign. In fact on one of those other two she elevated it from "a bowl of shit and you only have to eat half of it" to "two bowls of shit, and you have to choose one of them".

George II

(67,782 posts)
93. Actually I have those two reversed - she said it the 1st time in a Zoom meeting in June, the 2nd...
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:33 PM
Jun 2021

....was in late July for the Atlantic article, which was published on July 27.

Someone here suggested it was during the course of the primaries, essentially anything goes. But by that time of The Atlantic article the nomination was wrapped up - so she was saying that about OUR NOMINEE, not in the "heat of the primary". By late June, more than a month before she said it to The Atlantic, there were only two remaining primaries - Puerto Rico and Connecticut.

So, again, she was saying it about our nominee.

Cha

(297,574 posts)
95. Thanks for the correction..
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:50 PM
Jun 2021
Yes it was about our Democratic Nominee, Joe Biden.

No way can that be denied.

Shine the Light!
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
100. Thanks for the OP. I happily just donated again to the only OH-11 Dem who has long proven her worth
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:22 PM
Jun 2021

Shontel Brown will be our proud dedicated Democrat in DC from OH-11.

Shit talk gets your nowhere in OH-11.
Nina can't walk back that assault on our now-President Joe Biden.

Keep walkin' 👎


Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
127. I am donating to her as soon as this house sale is over and will work for her...people need
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 09:41 AM
Jun 2021

to remember who Nina Turner is and what she said and did in 16 and 20. She is a member of the People's Party and is merely using the Democratic Party.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
144. In my world
Thu Jun 3, 2021, 05:47 PM
Jun 2021

Anyone that continually bashes, denigrates, bad mouths, actively shows contempt for Democratic party, well I call them republican, and usually that fits. So what is this person's deal?

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