Sinema is not confused or misguided. What she's doing is deliberate and intentional.

[TomDaisy]

She was screaming that at us yesterday while standing next to John Cornyn. There's no other way to see it.

She is never going to be persuaded.

She is never going to break the filibuster.

She is going to be responsible for us losing in 2022 and 2024 and voting rights being destroyed, and the Biden agenda being ground to an absolute stop.

She's not acting on some sort of misguided bipartisan principle. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's taking pleasure in it, and laughing about it behind closed doors with Mitch and Cornyn.

[zaj]

1. No

[Maraya1969]

41. Do you seriously believe your post helps this conversation in any way?

Next time pick another random word from the dictionary and post it.

[zaj]

54. Fair enough!

How about...

Kyrsten is in a far more precarious position than Mark Kelly, and she's trying to hold the Arizona swing voters they both need to win again.

Here's the exit polling data that explains why KS can't vote like Kelly.

Among the base... They tied.

Kelly, 50% of women
Sinema, 51% of women

Kelly, 97% of Democrats
Sinema, 97% of Democrats

Kelly, 55% of college grads
Sinema, 56% of college grads

Among swing voters, Kelly had a 5-6 point advantage

Kelly, 55% of independent voters
Sinema, 50% of independent voters

Kelly, 69% of moderate voters
Sinema, 63% of moderate voters

Kelly, 47% of white men
Sinema, 42% of white men

It helps being a straight, white, military vet.

[Casady1]

2. Green party

She was part of a rogue party that had no interest in working within a party to help the populous at large. The greens were self serving. We are watching that toxic philosophy in action.

[dalton99a]

4. +1. The Green Party exists to help Republicans get elected.

[LenaBaby61]

3. You're right, we ARE doomed.

"She is going to be responsible for us losing in 2022 and 2024 and voting rights being destroyed, and the Biden agenda being ground to an absolute stop."

[TheBlackAdder]

35. She broke out of her predicaments growing up, failing to learn it was the GOP who helped foment them

.

Now, since she's done well, she seems to have that Libertarian, I was able to succeed,so others should be able to as well. I'm sure she had assistance along the way, and was held back by the same GOP policies that impacted her childhood. She was the one in a thousand success story, yet appears blind to that fact.

.

[dalton99a]

5. "Democrats, Change Your Behavior!"

[AZSkiffyGeek]

7. You have a quote?

Or just making shit up?

[dalton99a]

8. Read the news.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

11. I have. Where did she say Democrats were at fault?

She's shitty enough without making up more shit.

[hatrack]

10. Here you go

Link to tweet

[AZSkiffyGeek]

12. Thanks for proving my point

At no point did she say "Democrats change your behavior"

She's been shitty this year, and unless she changes significantly in the next two years, I fully support a primary, but she's not a secret Republican. Naive? yes. Republican? I see no proof.

[hatrack]

13. I didn't provide the quote you mention

Buh-bye.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

14. It's in that video

If you didn't know that, why did you share the video?

[llashram]

26. naive?

no

[AZSkiffyGeek]

29. She thinks that Republicans will come around

That's naive.

[csziggy]

37. Right at 1:00 she says "the way to fix that is to change your behavior"

I think that is where the posters above are getting this quote. She's talking about bipartisanship while standing next to one of the more biased RepuQs in the senate so the implication is that she is asking Democrats to change, not the RepuQs who keep moving the goalpost more and more to the right wing extremes.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

55. At no point is Democrats said

But keep on bashing. There’s plenty to criticize her for, but that doesn’t mean she’s a seekrit Republican

[csziggy]

56. I am not bashing. I am analyzing what she said and why some posters in the thread

Take it as Democrat bashing. I really don't have much opinion of Sinema, either good or bad. What I have seen of her does not impress me, but she is not from my state so my opinion will not have any effect on her future.

I'm stuck with DeSantis, Rubio, and Scott so I reserve my bashing for them.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

57. Fair enough

I’m just sick of people reading far more sinister motivations. She’s a moderate Democrat from a mostly red state with zero clue how to appear on the National stage. She sees herself as the spiritual heir to McCain and plays up her “I’m everyone’s Senator” and “there needs to be compromise” to a fault. And she manages to do it in the shittiest-looking way possible every time. But she’s not actively trying to undermine the Democrats, and if you look under the surface, it’s apparent that her contrariness, while horrible looking, isn’t costing any of the legislation. We can’t prove it, but looking at her overall record she is never the deciding vote against Democrats. It’s all optics. And unfortunately she’s not good at optics.

Make no mistake, I’m seriously pissed about her no show last week, but it didn’t sink the vote at all.

[Dawson Leery]

6. She must be primaried in 2024.

She went from a left wing Green (with some hideous views) to a centerist appeaser of the far right (which is what Greens do).

[gab13by13]

15. What hideous views?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

24. I'm curious about that too

[LiberalLovinLug]

50. She's beyond that. She's a provocateur QOP agent buried in the party

[Demsrule86]

82. She is up in 2022...and we may lose the seat. Greens are not left wing...they collude with, and help

Republicans. They have inflicted so much damage on the progressive cause over the years...a GIANT FU to Greens.

[themaguffin]

9. is there context to this?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

17. She appeared with Cornyn to promote a bipartisan border bill

That apparently means she's really a Republican.
She also offered a bullshit excuse for missing the vote last week. Which does mean she's a shitty senator, but doesn't actually mean she did it for Turtle.

[gab13by13]

16. I don't know how to put this nicely,

but this thread seems really suspicious to me.

[TomDaisy]

18. why?

[TomDaisy]

19. can you not see with your own eyes?

[TomDaisy]

21. so you're telling me she's OPEN to reforming the filibuster?????

on what basis would you say that.

[gab13by13]

44. Chuck Schumer needs to put pressure on her,

bring bills up for votes and if she votes against them the people in Arizona will be the ones to put pressure on her. The key is doing things that puts pressure on her, obviously just talking to her won't work.

[TomDaisy]

45. he needs to find the lever to move her. that's why he was elected to leadership. that's his job.

he needs to do it.

[Jakes Progress]

48. She knows who will get her reelected. It isn't Schumer.

With no voting rights bill passing, look for her to change party. (I mean officially change party. As if she hasn't already been working with the pubs.)

[Mr.Bill]

20. I think many people are way over-thinking this.

She's an idiot. Period.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

23. I'll agree with this more or less

She's idealistic to the point of being foolish.
And she has no idea how to appear for national TV audiences.

[Traildogbob]

22. Koch's

And billionaires have funded the phony ass Green Party to pull away dem votes from their beginning. What would a Green Party candidate be doing feasting with Putin? Have you EVER seen Green Party out raising hell over the Trump admin earth destruction? Ever?
Money has figured out that ship has sailed and a better way to destroy Dems is to pay phony ass dem candidates to get within the party. The pay is great. She and Manchin have a nice little scan going on there. Remember, Machin was part of ALEC. “Cinema” can’t live on a measly ass Senate pay check. She can’t even show up to do the job that she is paid to do. Too busy to vote. Too hard a job, for $170,000+ a year.

[SergeStorms]

30. I remember way back...

to November 2018 , when we were all so elated that she'd won the Senate seat. Little did we know.......

Yes, there's a lot of money behind Sinema, but whose money is it?

You raise some very interesting points, Bob.

Now, cue the "at least she's a Dem, because otherwise republicans would control the Senate now", crowd in 3.....2.....1.

It seems like they DO control the Senate now. Republicans find a way, even when there's more Ds than Rs, at least on paper.

[Traildogbob]

38. They keep the threat

Of her and Manchin flipping to republicans if we piss em off. Well, if we do not fix the voting rights by 2022 with a simple majority and at least stop the filibuster for that vote, having those 2 flip is the least of our problems. The GQP can throw out any and all seats picked up by Dems under new voting suppression laws, and they can have a super majority in both houses. Then, cue up Biden/Harris’s impeachment in 2022 and voting deemed useless forever. I want outrage from our elected Dems and a sense of urgency. Stop the bipartisan bullshit. How many times did Trump meet with RepuQ’s only to push his takeover? No Dems even allowed to Be in sessions.

[SergeStorms]

61. You're preaching to the choir, Bob.

If something isn't done, and done soon, the great American experiment in democracy could very well be over.
We certainly couldn't count on the SC to defend democracy, when they're the reason for all this shit in the first place.

[Traildogbob]

62. 🤜🤛

[totodeinhere]

51. Trust me, it would be much worsr if Moscow Mitch still controlled the Senate.

So I guess I am a member of the crowd that you mentioned.

[not fooled]

25. Now I believe Howie Klein was right

On the estimable Nicole Sandler show, he said awhile back that Sinema was crazy--literally crazy--and you could see it in her eyes. I thought he was exaggerating or had some sort of bad history with her, but now I think he was simply speaking the truth.

Here's a recent take of his on Sinema:

https://www.downwithtyranny.com/post/despite-mcconnell-manchin-sinema-biden-s-presidency-isn-t-doomed-yet]

Subtle pressure and incentives could work on Manchin, a rational operator. The mentally unstable-- to put it very mildly-- Sinema is another matter altogether and no one has any idea how to move someone suffering from the complexes that move her, including a martyr complex and an unquenchable thirst for attention, even as the White House, according to the Washington Post, "is making it increasingly clear that time is running out to craft a bipartisan agreement on rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure, taking a sharper tone that could soon clear Democrats to act on their own to achieve President Biden’s jobs ambitions but deny him the deal with Republicans he has actively sought for weeks. The urgent tone reflects the political choices confronting Biden, a would-be dealmaker, as liberals grow increasingly restless about delayed action on the president’s sweeping jobs plan that is a centerpiece of the Democratic agenda."

https://www.downwithtyranny.com/downwithtyranny]

[Texin]

28. She's tRump in heels. Narcissism on stilts.

But she's up for reelection in '24 and a rethug will probably beat her. Or maybe she's going to switch parties.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

31. Trump in heels?

Is that why she voted twice to convict him?

[dansolo]

36. That has nothing to do with it

The issue is that she is a narcissist, just like Trump.

[Texin]

58. But why is she now hanging out with Cornyn and his ilk now?

Sure, someone can clearly see that someone is guilty and bring in a guilty vote to convict. But why is she so determined to scuttle infrastructure programs, voting rights, etc. by sticking with the filibuster that assures minority rule in perpetuity? As far as I can recall, I don't remember her hanging out with the rethugs before recently. What have they promised her? Or what do they have on her? Seriously, something's changed.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

60. She cosponsored a bill with him that they were promoting

It’s to speed up the asylum process. Evil, isn’t it?

[Texin]

65. Okay. I'll suspend my disbelief long enough to see what she *really* does.

Cornyn is a snake. I know. I live in the not so great state of TX.

[DesertRat]

47. Trump in heels was her opponent, MAGA McSally

Those of us in AZ who elected her knew that she was the lesser of two evils.

[ChrisF1961]

27. Keeping the filibuster

Gives her cover so she doesn't have to vote against progressive legislation. Same for Manchin. Then they don't have to take any responsibility for when those bills fail. They can just blame the republicans.

[Sympthsical]

32. There's something strange about this undignified grasping for attention in an adult

Especially a U.S. Senator. I'm still not over her little dance and the "fuck off" ring.

She's only a bit older than me, and I know people like her in my generation. People who abjectly refuse to believe they've grown up or aged and behave accordingly. They still think they're snarky twenty-somethings where exquisite sassyness is cute.

She's not cute. But she thinks she is.

It's totally bizarre.

The trick to that personality is, they tend to get a little charge out of pissing people off. She will not respond to criticism. It gives her energy. She loves it. The attention, that, "You hate that I'm so awesome!" and laughs it all off.

Thank God things like, you know, voting rights aren't involved here. Otherwise this behavior would be worrying.

[TomDaisy]

34. she does seem to take pleasure in hurting people

[area51]

78. +1 n/t

[Prince99]

83. Spot on!

Bingo, you nailed it.

[ornotna]

43. That's uncalled for

[bucolic_frolic]

39. I think she's a

saranwrapstein

[IronLionZion]

40. The GOP's favorite Democrat

since Tulsi Gabbard dropped out.

[Klaralven]

42. How many Senators have publicly said that they in favor of removing the filibuster?

[3catwoman3]

46. Jeff Flake has left the Senate, but...

...Arizona still has a Senator Flake. So dissapointing.

[totodeinhere]

49. She is from a red state and she wants to be reelected. If it were not for her vote the Republicans

would still control the Senate. I do not support her stand on the filibuster, but I appreciate that without her vote the Dems would not control the Senate.

[LudwigPastorius]

52. She's a piece of work. (to put it tactfully)

Her choice of John Cornhole as Bipartisan Poster Boy is a joke. That motherfucker only voted against his party 6% of the time his entire political career.

I don't know enough about Sinema's past positions to unequivocally state that she's not just a dumbass, clueless about the lockstep ruthlessness of the GOP, but I'm definitely leaning toward She's Doing It On Purpose.

[sop]

53. "Sinema said she won't change."

“I’m just doing my thing,” she said. “I know my thing’s a little bit different than other people, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that at all. And, you know what? I don’t mind if someone people like it or don’t like it. That’s OK.

“I don’t really care. I don’t really care,” she shook her head, laughing. “I really don’t care at all.”

https://www.rollcall.com/2015/02/05/kyrsten-sinemas-unconventional-style-play-well-with-others-2/

The last thing Democrats need is someone like Sinema in a 50/50 senate. Arizona voters have demonstrated they can elect serious people. The woman needs to be primaried.

[roamer65]

59. I think she's a nihilist.

Trying to blow up the system.

[BradAllison]

63. I hope her buddies the "Cyber Ninjas" take her seat from under her ass

I mean, she's cool with them I guess.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

67. What makes you say that?

Just picking QAnon stupid du jour and accusing a Democrat of supporting them?

[BradAllison]

70. They are exactly the type of group that should have no place in a free and fair election

She's apparently cool with the filibuster being used to stop any voting rights bills, so you tell me? What's the deal? A simple Google search and it seems she is 100% silent on any of it. You'd think she'd be concerned. Clearly she's not. Guess it's Mark's problem for 2022.

Got any answers?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

71. Yeah - she's a shitty senator

But she’s not QAnon. But apparently that doesn’t matter when you’re looking to smear.

[BradAllison]

72. Can you call her office and ask what her opinion is of the Arizona audit.

Remind her all it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing. And she is doing absolutely nothing.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

73. What exactly can a National Senator do to stop a state audit of a county?

Or do you not understand how separation of powers work?

[BradAllison]

74. I'm just curious of her opinion

God forbid she do something.

Look, have a great night. "sHe'S a shITty seNaTOr but SHe'S nOT qNon" is not really the defense you think it is.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

75. You're the one who intimated it

If you can’t argue her positions without making up facts then your arguments aren’t as strong as you think she is.
There’s plenty to criticize her for without saying “Hurr Durr she loves Cyber Ninjas!!!”
But it’s easier to make up shit.

[BradAllison]

76. When you do jack shit, expect to get get jacked.

I get it, she doesn't want to upset the dozen or so Libertarian bitcoin neckbeard fanbois who vote for her by saying something vaguely "librul!" like maybe minorities should be allowed to vote.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

77. So she's against minority voting now

Just can’t stop making shit up… But I’m sure you knew she sponsored the voting rights bill. Someone so knowledgeable of her involvement in right wing conspiracies had to know that simple fact.

[BradAllison]

79. What I'm sure you know is that it will not pass as long as she maintains her stupid stance.

You might as well elect a "Don't blame me I voted for Kodos" bumper sticker.

[11 Bravo]

64. In the 116th Congress she voted agains Trump approximately 75% of the time.

In the current congress she has voted with Biden on 100% of bills reaching the floor.
She has a lifetime 100% rating from NARAL and planned Parenthood, and a 0% rating from the Susan B. Anthony anti-choicers.

Does she piss me off at times? Yes.
Do I think she has her head up her ass vis-a-vis the filibuster? HELL yes!

Is she a Republican? Fuck no, and it's ridiculous to claim that she is.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

68. Didn't you see, she supports Cuber Ninjas

Because reasons I guess

[Generic Brad]

66. Siding with Putin's criminal losers

That's not a good look for a Democrat.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

69. Which ones

Lotta attacks with no basis in reality being tossed around.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

80. Minority voters will not support her in 2024 if she doesn't protect voter rights

in AZ.

Maricopa County will abandon her.

[Demsrule86]

81. This is why we should never elect Greens or other third Party candidates like Nina Turner.

as our nominee for anything...not even dog catcher. Greens, in particular, hate the Democratic Party and often take money from and collude with Republicans. Sinema was a Green before becoming a Democrat. Of course, we still need her for another couple of years. Perhaps she could face a primary. Although in general, I worry we could lose the seat if we primary her.