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Fri Jun 4, 2021, 09:26 AM

Manchin to support voting rights??

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Reply Manchin to support voting rights?? (Original post)
cilla4progress Jun 2021 OP
Johnny2X2X Jun 2021 #1
piddyprints Jun 2021 #2
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #9
Mad_Machine76 Jun 2021 #26
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #27
OnDoutside Jun 2021 #3
Mike Nelson Jun 2021 #4
gab13by13 Jun 2021 #5
lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #6
TwilightZone Jun 2021 #10
lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #13
PortTack Jun 2021 #14
PortTack Jun 2021 #7
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #8
FBaggins Jun 2021 #11
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #16
StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #20
FBaggins Jun 2021 #21
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #23
FBaggins Jun 2021 #24
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #28
FBaggins Jun 2021 #12
StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #18
Hotler Jun 2021 #15
StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #17
brooklynite Jun 2021 #19
LiberalFighter Jun 2021 #22
budkin Jun 2021 #25

Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 09:28 AM

1. He's always supported it

It's a matter of if he's willing to go it without any Republicans on board.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 09:32 AM

2. Yeah he supports it.

And will vote for it. The problem is getting past the filibuster, which he won’t budge on. He is perfectly willing to sacrifice our democracy for his own delusions about bipartisanship.

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Response to piddyprints (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:54 AM

9. Manchin supports a modified HR4 which would be overturned by SCOTUS. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 04:09 PM

26. Are you talking about the pre-clearance bill?

Why do you think it would be overturned?

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Response to Mad_Machine76 (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 04:50 PM

27. Because the version Manchin supports would apply to all 50 states w/o any preclearance. Nt

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 09:37 AM

3. He's always supported that, but he has big problems with HR1.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 09:58 AM

4. I think...

... he will vote for it, of course. The problem is that it needs 60 votes to pass... and Mitch is determined to block it because it means more American citizens will vote.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:04 AM

5. Yeah but the Biggie is S1,

the For The People Act.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:05 AM

6. Will he support democracy enough to end the filibuster and pass JLVRA and S1?

Only if he receives infinite pressure from all possible directions.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:55 AM

10. Sinema, Feinstein and reportedly two others.

We need more than Manchin. We always did. That fact is constantly - and intentionally - ignored, in my opinion.

Get the other four and then go after Manchin. Otherwise, all of this incessant complaining about Manchin is entirely pointless.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:55 AM

13. I agree - put huge public pressure on all of the recalcitrants.

We have to do them all simultaneously though: no time for a serial process.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:11 AM

7. Saw Amy K interviewed on TRMS a while back. She remains optimistic about passing some form

Of HR1. They all know they will have to end the filibuster..or suspend it or whatever. She wouldn’t lay out specifics, but said they have a plan.

Arm chair politics and speculation isn’t for me. I’ll let our dem leaders do the heavy lifting...and support them with emails, calls and donations

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:52 AM

8. Manchin is supporting a Trojan horse modification of HR4 that will be reversed by SCOTUS

Manchin supports a bill that would automatically apply 1965-type VRA regulations to voting in all 50 states, without any sort of test or “pre-clearance” to determine necessity.

Such a bill would undoubtedly be reversed by the current SCOTUS.

...and he STILL is the ONLY Dem senator not to co-sponsor the For The People act, HR1/S1.

There’s a reason they call him J.C. Joe...

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:15 AM

11. HR1/S1 would also be reversed by SCOTUS

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I don't think that it was really intended to be enacted. I think it exists to draw out republican opposition and/or judicial action.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 01:01 PM

16. Not from what I have read both HR1 and HR4 in its original form, were drafted to withstand

Challenges to constitutionality.

Besides, once the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, Dems can ram through court reform/expansion to protect democracy even more.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 01:09 PM

20. Yes

 

HR1/HR4 have been very carefully crafted.

But Manchin's "improvement" is unconstitutional on its face.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 02:14 PM

21. Two different arguments

It may very well have been intended to withstand challenges.

But that's a different thing from arguing that it wouldn't be overturned by the current court.

I don't think they would find that challenging at all. Likely in half a dozen different directions.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 02:44 PM

23. But if the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, then courts can be expanded, preventing reversal

If SCOTUS gains 6 new, young, liberal justices, then Biden’s agenda is safe.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 04:03 PM

24. That's a bunch of IFs that don't seem likely

I suspect that we’ll need three new senators before the filibuster is seriously in danger.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 04:52 PM

28. Let's see what kind of heat the summer brings to Manchin and Sinema first. Nt

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:16 AM

12. So few similar posts seem to be able to tell the difference...

... between supporting a bill - and being willing to get rid of the filibuster in order to get it passed.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 01:06 PM

18. Exactly

 

His "support" for the bill is meaningless if he continues to allow it to be blocked.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 12:51 PM

15. He better gives us something, The president is thinking about

keeping the orange one's tax cut. Which doesn't make sense, because he said trickle down doesn't work.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 01:06 PM

17. Easy to claim he supports a bill if, through his own inaction, he never has to actually vote on it

 

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 01:08 PM

19. Manchin said he supported the John Lewis Bill months ago

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 02:24 PM

22. I don't trust Manchin.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 04:08 PM

25. It's not HR1

He's always supported this one.

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