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Manchin to support voting rights?? (Original Post) cilla4progress Jun 2021 OP
He's always supported it Johnny2X2X Jun 2021 #1
Yeah he supports it. piddyprints Jun 2021 #2
Manchin supports a modified HR4 which would be overturned by SCOTUS. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #9
Are you talking about the pre-clearance bill? Mad_Machine76 Jun 2021 #26
Because the version Manchin supports would apply to all 50 states w/o any preclearance. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #27
He's always supported that, but he has big problems with HR1. OnDoutside Jun 2021 #3
I think... Mike Nelson Jun 2021 #4
Yeah but the Biggie is S1, gab13by13 Jun 2021 #5
Will he support democracy enough to end the filibuster and pass JLVRA and S1? lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #6
Sinema, Feinstein and reportedly two others. TwilightZone Jun 2021 #10
I agree - put huge public pressure on all of the recalcitrants. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #13
Feinstein is open to changes PortTack Jun 2021 #14
Saw Amy K interviewed on TRMS a while back. She remains optimistic about passing some form PortTack Jun 2021 #7
Manchin is supporting a Trojan horse modification of HR4 that will be reversed by SCOTUS Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #8
HR1/S1 would also be reversed by SCOTUS FBaggins Jun 2021 #11
Not from what I have read both HR1 and HR4 in its original form, were drafted to withstand Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #16
Yes StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #20
Two different arguments FBaggins Jun 2021 #21
But if the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, then courts can be expanded, preventing reversal Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #23
That's a bunch of IFs that don't seem likely FBaggins Jun 2021 #24
Let's see what kind of heat the summer brings to Manchin and Sinema first. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #28
So few similar posts seem to be able to tell the difference... FBaggins Jun 2021 #12
Exactly StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #18
He better gives us something, The president is thinking about Hotler Jun 2021 #15
Easy to claim he supports a bill if, through his own inaction, he never has to actually vote on it StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #17
Manchin said he supported the John Lewis Bill months ago brooklynite Jun 2021 #19
I don't trust Manchin. LiberalFighter Jun 2021 #22
It's not HR1 budkin Jun 2021 #25

piddyprints

(14,681 posts)
2. Yeah he supports it.
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:32 AM
Jun 2021

And will vote for it. The problem is getting past the filibuster, which he won’t budge on. He is perfectly willing to sacrifice our democracy for his own delusions about bipartisanship.

Mike Nelson

(10,108 posts)
4. I think...
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jun 2021

... he will vote for it, of course. The problem is that it needs 60 votes to pass... and Mitch is determined to block it because it means more American citizens will vote.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. Will he support democracy enough to end the filibuster and pass JLVRA and S1?
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:05 AM
Jun 2021

Only if he receives infinite pressure from all possible directions.

TwilightZone

(25,840 posts)
10. Sinema, Feinstein and reportedly two others.
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:55 AM
Jun 2021

We need more than Manchin. We always did. That fact is constantly - and intentionally - ignored, in my opinion.

Get the other four and then go after Manchin. Otherwise, all of this incessant complaining about Manchin is entirely pointless.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. I agree - put huge public pressure on all of the recalcitrants.
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 12:55 PM
Jun 2021

We have to do them all simultaneously though: no time for a serial process.

PortTack

(33,259 posts)
7. Saw Amy K interviewed on TRMS a while back. She remains optimistic about passing some form
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jun 2021

Of HR1. They all know they will have to end the filibuster..or suspend it or whatever. She wouldn’t lay out specifics, but said they have a plan.

Arm chair politics and speculation isn’t for me. I’ll let our dem leaders do the heavy lifting...and support them with emails, calls and donations

Fiendish Thingy

(16,390 posts)
8. Manchin is supporting a Trojan horse modification of HR4 that will be reversed by SCOTUS
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:52 AM
Jun 2021

Manchin supports a bill that would automatically apply 1965-type VRA regulations to voting in all 50 states, without any sort of test or “pre-clearance” to determine necessity.

Such a bill would undoubtedly be reversed by the current SCOTUS.

...and he STILL is the ONLY Dem senator not to co-sponsor the For The People act, HR1/S1.

There’s a reason they call him J.C. Joe...

FBaggins

(27,207 posts)
11. HR1/S1 would also be reversed by SCOTUS
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 12:15 PM
Jun 2021

Last edited Fri Jun 4, 2021, 01:21 PM - Edit history (2)

I don't think that it was really intended to be enacted. I think it exists to draw out republican opposition and/or judicial action.

Fiendish Thingy

(16,390 posts)
16. Not from what I have read both HR1 and HR4 in its original form, were drafted to withstand
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 02:01 PM
Jun 2021

Challenges to constitutionality.

Besides, once the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, Dems can ram through court reform/expansion to protect democracy even more.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
20. Yes
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 02:09 PM
Jun 2021

HR1/HR4 have been very carefully crafted.

But Manchin's "improvement" is unconstitutional on its face.

FBaggins

(27,207 posts)
21. Two different arguments
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 03:14 PM
Jun 2021

It may very well have been intended to withstand challenges.

But that's a different thing from arguing that it wouldn't be overturned by the current court.

I don't think they would find that challenging at all. Likely in half a dozen different directions.

Fiendish Thingy

(16,390 posts)
23. But if the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, then courts can be expanded, preventing reversal
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 03:44 PM
Jun 2021

If SCOTUS gains 6 new, young, liberal justices, then Biden’s agenda is safe.

FBaggins

(27,207 posts)
24. That's a bunch of IFs that don't seem likely
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 05:03 PM
Jun 2021

I suspect that we’ll need three new senators before the filibuster is seriously in danger.

FBaggins

(27,207 posts)
12. So few similar posts seem to be able to tell the difference...
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 12:16 PM
Jun 2021

... between supporting a bill - and being willing to get rid of the filibuster in order to get it passed.

Hotler

(11,639 posts)
15. He better gives us something, The president is thinking about
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 01:51 PM
Jun 2021

keeping the orange one's tax cut. Which doesn't make sense, because he said trickle down doesn't work.

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