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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe state of Alabama took his gun away. When authorities gave it back, he shot and killed his wife.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1269234
HOOVER, Alabama Late one night in February 2019, a 31-year-old woman in a troubled marriage was rushed to an emergency room in a Birmingham, Alabama, suburb, with a gunshot wound in her upper right arm.
"He shot me," Megan Montgomery told doctors, according to an investigative report obtained exclusively by NBC News. By "he," she meant her husband, a local police officer named Jason McIntosh.
Police took her husbands pistol away. Nine months later, the states top law enforcement agency gave it back, despite pending domestic violence charges and an active protective order. Just 16 days after that, he used the gun to shoot and kill her during another late-night dispute.
Megans loved ones were shattered by the loss of a devoted daughter and sister, a marketing professional with a passion for animal rescue. They were stunned to be told recently by NBC News that the state had given her abuser back the weapon he used to kill her.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(3,023 posts)Seems like they never get better and so few women understand that.
Sancho
(9,211 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,706 posts)go piss up a rope
Women whose domestic abusers have access to a firearm are five times as likely to be shot and killed, according to research funded by the U.S. Department of Justice.
Sancho
(9,211 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)None of this infringes on any right to bear arm.
In this particular case the guy should have never been given the gun back the domestic abuse charge supersedes the private property BS. Glad he did not get the DP. Being a former cop let him spend the next 30yrs in fear of the GP like the fear she had of him. Such a tragic story that simply happens way too many times.
If the relationship is over move on, walk away dont be a d@ck.
StClone
(11,869 posts)Got a problem? Shoot it. Get upset? shoot! Some poor kid being harassed by bullies and hides in your bushes. Shoot the kid. Wife is a problem, talks back, won't get your beer. shoot her. Problems solved. Workplace got you down, no mental health screening, support, or counseling. No problem. Shoot 'em all then shoot yourself. It's so NRA...so Gun industry, it's so cool...it's all good.
world wide wally
(21,836 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)JI7
(93,899 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Guns are a fucking plague.
And so are violent men.
The 2A itself has caused absolutely countless unnecessary deaths.
I'd wager FAR FAR more deaths than it has prevented.
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