Why does everyone automatically trust the polls?

[RepublicansRZombies]

With today's world made up of Koch funded BS organizations. Corporate funded 'research', the media lying to us everyday....

why do people trust the polls?

The lied about Romney winning, lied about Ryan winning and now say the polls match to prove it.

How do we know they aren't making those numbers up as well?

[slackmaster]

1. Why do you believe everyone automatically trusts the polls?

I say there is only one poll that matters - The election!

Welcome to DU.

[LovePeacock]

3. I second that. Polls are just a news-creator for the 24-hour entertainment/news cycle.

[RepublicansRZombies]

10. but why do you trust elections?

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[LovePeacock]

15. You don't, but I'll tell you what: if something shady goes down this time,

I wouldn't be surprised if you see a lot of rioting across the country.

[RepublicansRZombies]

17. really? I just see so many Americans as apathetic, having no idea what is going on

I think the leaders are counting on this as well.

We cannot allow the media to continue to brainwash everyone.

[slackmaster]

26. Being brainwashed by the media is a matter of personal choice

I choose not to watch the propaganda.

[RepublicansRZombies]

28. It's not about you, it's about the millions of people who will support the cops beating protesters

because they saw on the TV that these people are just complaining about nothing....

when actually millions of Americans poured into the streets because they stole the election for Romney.

No matter how obvious it is, to everyone on the net and it's reaches...there will still be millions of Americans that believe whatever the corporate media tells them and they are dangerous to all of us.

[slackmaster]

32. You certainly are an entertaining source of negativism today

I can't do anything about the fact that the average person is dumb, or the fact that half of the people are even dumber than that.

[RepublicansRZombies]

38. not negative, just thinking we should prepare for the worst

and that we have to act, not just complain

[slackmaster]

25. I trust my state's Secretary of State to ensure that voting systems and procedures used in...

...the state of California are reliable, accurate, and secure.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/

[RepublicansRZombies]

30. Trust, but verify

[slackmaster]

33. Elections in MY state are verifiable and are routinely verified.

What are you doing about YOUR state?

[elleng]

2. 'Everyone' needs something to worry about,

complain about, disagree with. We need SOMETHING to DO!!!

[RepublicansRZombies]

12. I think we better do something about the way our elections are counted...and FAST!

Citizen exit polls?

Be prepared to march on the corporate 1%ers TV Stations when they lie and say that Romney won?

[elleng]

21. Damn right. Unfortunately too late to do anything about counting;

should have been done in the states over the past 12/8/4 years, and since states taken over by repugs, not likely anything truly productive would be done.

Don't know the good of exit polls, except to give us fodder for the next march to prove they've stolen again.

And YES, I'm prepared to march, but not on TV stations. IF they and TPTB lie and say rmoney won, I'll march elsewhere, like in DC, with We the People, I hope. And then I'll move to Canada.

[OhZone]

4. I never have, really. n/t

[MineralMan]

5. Everyone doesn't trust the polls.

Like most generalizations, that one is incorrect.

[RepublicansRZombies]

14. okey, just seems like a lot of people believed Obama lost because of the media

then believed the polls that showed that their narrative was true

[slackmaster]

27. People believed Obama lost WHAT?

The election isn't until NEXT MONTH.

[RepublicansRZombies]

31. the debate of course

but this is practice for the election, where they plan to manufacture consent while GOP steals it.

[slackmaster]

34. Who "won" the debate is a matter of OPINION and cannot be objectively proved one way or another

[CountAllVotes]

6. I do not trust polls

Polls are B.S. IMO. What you are seeing is a skewed bunch of crap that is meaningless.

What matters is one thing and that is how many people vote and who they vote for.

I have not been polled and never have been polled so I do not count.

That is why my user name here is and always will be CountAllVotes !!!

[Lint Head]

7. Everyone doesn't like Sara Lee.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

8. Polls are little more than propaganda

Years ago psychologist identified "The Bandwagon Effect" which basically means people like to go with the winner, so if polls show a front runner, people will vote for the front runner. Yes, we have an electorate stupid enough to do just that. It was the Band Wagon Effect on West Coast voting that caused the broadcasters to stop declaring winners in the East Coast states before polls in the Midwest and on the West Coast had closed.

[porphyrian]

9. Polls can be statistically verified, but few people do this or know how. n/t

[LenaBaby61]

11. These polls are all over the place, plus they use DIFFERENT methodology as well....

These polls are all over the place and all seem to have different methodologies in which they poll.

The only thing I can TRUST in GOTV and how well President Obama rallies back from his 1st very underwhelming debate performance, starting tonight....

[reformist2]

13. I don't trust any one poll, but I do trust the general trend... and it isn't good.

[RepublicansRZombies]

16. how do you judge the general trend?

You have actually heard voters charmed by Romney?

Or is this just the media narrative?

All the stations lie, even Rachel and Ed attacked Obama instead of the multitude of lies spewed by Romney last time...

All the polls could lie as well.

They have gotten away with creating reality so long, they have become empowered.

Why would they stop when they are getting everything they want?

Karl Rove:
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

[reformist2]

18. I don't believe everything is controlled by "the powers that be"...

Call me stupid and/or naive, but I actually believe some of the things we hear/read in the media are true.

[RepublicansRZombies]

22. Who gives them more money, Koch and Rove groups, or your average American citizen?

Do you think the media is serving the public interest?

You need only look back before the Iraq war and the lies they were propping up to support that mass murder.

They pushed the idea that Iraq was seeking yellowcake, long after it had be debunked, just as Bush kept using the claim.

The Bush Administration still had Colin Powell present their 'evidence' to the UN who laughed at US!

They used google and discovered it was a forgery in 5 minutes.

The criminals who created the forgery did not even use the right names or letterhead.

Why did these criminals assume the media would not catch them on such an overt forgery?

Because the criminals control the media. None of this is possible without them working together.

And they count on the American public being really fucking stupid and actually believing that they are not allowed to overtly lie on the TV.

[doc03]

19. I wouldn't have seen that question here two weeks ago

Faux was questioning the polls then when Romney was way behind.

[craigmatic]

24. True but there's a huge number of right wing polls coming out now. I'm not just talking

PPP, gallup, pew, quinnipiac, or some of the other well known names. I mean pulse, rasmussen, we ask america, etc. I barely saw any of these taken into account before the first debate now they're putting out one a day. Now the question is is this because we're getting close to election day or are these corporate fat cats trying to shape the narrative? I don't believe 1 debate could change things that much it's just words against a president with a long proven track record. The media is clearly in the tank for romney too.

[craigmatic]

20. I don't the citizens united ruling has allowed repubs to spend millions on these right wing polls.

Just look at ARG, we ask america, and rasmussen. There's another one too but I forget its name. We haven't heard anything from most of these polls all year yet after the debate they seem to be coming out of the woodwork. To quote Public Enemy can't trust it and don't believe the hype.

[Nye Bevan]

23. I only trust them when they show Obama well ahead,

in which case they are a vindication of his policies and strategies.

When they show Obama behind, however, they are misleading, distorted, an "outliar", use a skewed sample, are Republican-owned, oversample conservatives, undersample liberals, screw the polls anyway, and there is only one poll that counts, the one in November.

[Baitball Blogger]

29. I see them more like clay pigeons.

[spanone]

35. i don't know anyone who automatically trusts the polls

[former9thward]

36. "They lied about Romney winning"?

Obama said "I had a bad night and its not the first bad night I've had". Is Obama a victim of media lying also?

[slackmaster]

37. Hey, that's just ONE PERSON'S OPINION about how the debate turned out.