Can I just say that I am getting really fed up with Joe Manchin

[Boydog]

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Same with Kyrsten Sinema. Either of them will say anything. Manchin pretending that if he voted to modify or abolish the filibuster the folks in WV would have his head. Lots of good honest working people there but I’d say maybe ten percent know what a filibuster is. Both of these people should go back home and educate voters regarding the merits of Biden’s agenda. It’s all about the fifteen minutes of fame.

[Kablooie]

1. They will be the reason that we lose our democracy and become a banana republic.

And Biden is impeached for nothing more than revenge.

[Sibelius Fan]

2. Recent WVA poll

Here: https://thefga.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/West-Virginia-Filibuster-Poll.pdf

Interestingly, while 40% would oppose ending the filibuster to help Biden pass his agenda, 38% support it.

The big takeaway:

“If West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin voted to get rid of the filibuster, would you be more or less likely to vote to reelect him?”

More Likely 30%
Less Likely 52%
Unsure 14%

[Takket]

3. sorry but Manchin should recognize this is bigger than him

If I were a senator and were basically told "you need to vote for this to save our Democracy, but you'll probably get voted out if you do", i would realize the good of 350 million Americans is more important than my job, and vote for it.

[Boydog]

32. If Manchin doesn't agree with anything the party

stands for why does he insist on calling himself a Dem. He seems to really love the attention and the spotlight. Really I can’t understand why West Va supports Trump. He promised to bring back factory jobs and did nothing. Biden needs to call him in and say. “Joe we are moving on”. “It can either be with or without you” “If you can’t give me at least some support we’re ditching the filibuster.”

[Pobeka]

10. Then we should have his back.

Promise to donate to his campaign if he does the honorable thing, helps end the filibuster and passes voting rights.

But if not, promise to donate to his primary opponent.

[Boydog]

26. Biden needs to use a tried and true technique

Good old fashioned bribery or he needs to punish them.

[Pobeka]

30. That too. Yup. nt

[dflprincess]

23. They don't have to abolish the filibuster

they just have to change the rules so it takes more than one Senator saying s/he wants a filibuster. Make them stand on the floor of the chamber and talk until they fall over.

Manchin has indicated he wouldn't even support that.

[Hoyt]

4. Reinstatement of MAJORITY Leader McConnell will tick me off more.

[CousinIT]

5. It's likely not just Manchin and Sinema.

Sorry to tell you, it ain't Manchin & Sinema. Other Senators on that side of the aisle oppose ending the filibuster. People leading the executive branch don't perceive the magnitude of the the threat to democracy. People close to you don't care or don't believe. It's bad.

Link to tweet

[PortTack]

12. If ...and it's a big if that is the case, I'm sure Biden is fully aware of it.

There’s obviously a reason he only calls out these 2..because he probably knows the others will vote with the Dems rather than obstruct his agenda

[Crunchy Frog]

17. Democracy dies of indifference and posturing. nt

[Turbineguy]

6. Getting rid of the filibuster

affects Democrats too.

With the effort of the GOP to steal the next elections we might regret getting rid of it.

[Kablooie]

8. If Dems lose both houses and the presidency Republicans will remove it anyway.

They've already removed the filibuster for judges and won't hesitate to eliminate it altogether if Dems try to use it.
They will then revise voting law so Democrats can never again become a majority and the US becomes a one party dictatorship forever.

Our only hope is to remove it now and pass strong voting laws that protect our democracy.

[Pobeka]

11. THIS n/t

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

24. How will Manchin act when his fantasies of "bipartisanship" are sunk by Moscow Mitch?

I'm surer he'll come up with another way to justify his bad judgment and its effect on destroying democracy.

[Bettie]

29. He will blame Democrats

for the lack of bipartisanship.

Apparently, the only possible way to be "bipartisan" is to reject any Democratic agenda and give Moscow Mitch whatever he wants.

[kelly1mm]

25. Harry Reid was the one who got rid of the

Filibuster for judges (except for the Supreme Court), not the republicans. The republicans got rid of the filibuster for the Supreme Court.

[soothsayer]

9. They'll do whatever they want anyway if they steal their way into the majority

They know how to march in goose, er, lock step.

[PortTack]

14. Exactly..and if it means getting rid of the filibuster to do something really horrible you can take

it to the bank they will do just that.

[soothsayer]

15. +1000

[Mr.Bill]

16. If the republicans retake the Senate,

they will eliminate the filibuster in a heartbeat. A year later you won't even recognize this country.

[WarGamer]

7. Trump goes to WV and holds a rally...

Tells them to let Manchin know how they feel and his phone lines and incoming mail servers will shut down.

Fact: More than 2:1 WV'ers chose Trump over Biden.

Just thank God WV doesn't have 2 GOP Senators.

Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley or Tom Cotton is Majority Leader without Joe Manchin on Team Blue.

[walkingman]

13. A scary proposition but likely what will happen. Never underestimate nasty white people.

[ancianita]

18. Absolutely. Ask Joe Manchin About the Mountain Valley Fracking Pipeline Running Through WV

On Wednesday, June 3, 2021 at 5:45 A.M., Mountain Valley Pipeline protesters Valerie Hahn, Ethan Hughes, and Dylan Bremmer dressed as ducks and locked themselves to a 12’ by 8’ wooden Wood Duck blocking access to a Mountain Valley Pipeline easement and equipment yard in Giles County [at the WV - V state line]. An additional protester sat on top of the duck. Nearby, about a dozen people gathered to support the Wood Duck protesters at the scene. Banners at the rally read, “No Pipelines,” “All Mothers Protect Their Children,” “Mama Duck Says ‘Water Is Everything’,” and “No MVP.”

Hahn, a farmer and pagan minister from New York, traveled to Giles County for the protest with her 14-year-old daughter. “I am here with my daughter so that she knows there are regular people who care enough about her future that they will try to stop this senseless construction—construction that citizens don’t want, the owners themselves can’t pay for, and that even investors know no longer makes sense,” she said.


The Mountain Valley Pipeline is a 42-inch diameter, 300-plus mile, fracked gas pipeline that runs from northern West Virginia to southern Virginia, with a 70-mile extension into North Carolina. If completed, the MVP would be responsible for nearly 90 million metric tons of annual greenhouse gas emissions, equivalent to the emissions of 19 million passenger vehicles or 23 average U.S. coal plants annually (source: Oil Change International). It contributes to climate change, increased demand for natural gas (and as a result, fracking, which means heavy water loss and pollution) and is entrenched in corrupt political processes.

The failing pipeline is 3.5 years behind schedule, several billion dollars over budget and still missing hundreds of permits for wetland and stream crossings. With the extent of public disapproval and the setbacks in the project, many see the project’s failure as inevitable.

https://itsgoingdown.org/large-replica-of-wood-duck-and-4-protesters-block-mvp-construction-for-nearly-7-hours/

Sure, he's a Democrat. I support Democrats. I don't care about his feeling safe.
I'm still calling him. ( [phone] )
He is also silent about fossil forces up to no good for his and neighboring states.
This, imo, calls for political pressure he might try to head off in return for a yes vote on infrastructure and the filibuster.

[speaknow]

19. It's against the rules to BASH a democrat

but I guess there is exception to the rule!

[TNNurse]

20. Yes

[oasis]

31. Criticism of action/inaction is allowed. nt

[George II]

21. Learn to spell Kyrsten Sinema's name.

[George II]

22. Who would you like to see replace him, anybody?

[Boydog]

27. If you are asking me

Someone who fully realizes that democracy is in peril and is willing to support Biden’s agenda.

[Humanist_Activist]

28. He's not up for re-election soon, not that it matters, after what he and Sinema have done...

in the Senate in being obstacles to Democracy, they will ensure one party rule for the Republicans going forward.

[notpolltested]

33. Looking forward to supporting Ruben Gallego

When he primaries Kyrsten.