When Senator Schumer doesn't kick Joe Manchin off his Committees...

[brooklynite]

…and when DSCC doesn’t Primary him…

…and when the West Virginia Democratic Party doesn’t censure or expel him…

,,,and when President Biden doesn’t get tough and cut off funds for WV…

What will you do?

[Shell_Seas]

1. What can I do?

[brooklynite]

4. Well, you could rant about it...

That seems to be popular.

[empedocles]

6. Incredibly so popular

[Shell_Seas]

7. That was more of a serious question.

[Budi]

11. It was a serious question. Yes. 👍

Waiting for an answer to "What can we do", to collectively move a solution?

[FoxNewsSucks]

8. By all means.

Let's just shut up and wait



That'll solve everything.

[Budi]

12. Or, offer a collective resolution.

[George II]

19. I don't know how many times I've asked these questions over the last several anti-Manchin months....

1. Does ANYONE who is complaining about Manchin have a Democrat in mind that could win the Senate seat in West Virginia other than Manchin?

2. Lacking that, and when Manchin remains the Democratic Senator, is it better to have him in the Senate and vote with Democrats 75% or 80% of the time, or a republican who will vote with Democrats 0% of the time?

A perfect example - I remember when there was a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth about Claire McCaskill of Missouri. So those who were complaining about her essentially got their wish. She's no longer the Senator from Missouri, she was defeated by Josh Hawley.

How many of the complainers would give their eye teeth to have Claire McCaskill as our Senator from Missouri again?

[Budi]

21. Sen McCaskill wss a force of reckoning. We could certainly use her No-BS politics right now.

"How many of the complainers would give their eye teeth to have Claire McCaskill as our Senator from Missouri again?"

Best Manchin question I've seen for weeks!

[dsc]

23. at this point I am not so sure

I get the whole judges and other appointees thing, but other than that, we get all of the blame for nothing passing since we have 'control' of the government but no ability to pass anything. We might actually be better off to be able to campaign saying we could do x and y and z but for the fact we don't have the Senate.

[soldierant]

29. +1000

Making change is difficult. Snark is easy.

Not that snark isn't sometimes appropriate, and I also use it. But, alone, it's not terribly powerful.

[Budi]

9. 12 hours later there are 8 more Manchin rants up in GD.

Still.
Maybe we need a Manchin Rant Forum.
pinned at the top of the page.

K&R your Op.

[Elessar Zappa]

2. Be happy because we need him.

I don’t want majority leader McConnell.

[ShazamIam]

16. Apparently Manchin is serving McConnell, not the nation.

[George II]

20. No he isn't, and saying that is insulting to Democrats.

[ShazamIam]

22. Yes, Joe is an insult to Democratic and democracy, opposing voting rights and keeping the filibuster

There is nothing democratic about the filibuster. The filibuster is used to stifle democracy.

[kelly1mm]

27. I'll just quote this line for when the republicans get rid of the filibuster if/when they get the

chance:

Per ShazamIam "There is nothing democratic about the filibuster. The filibuster is used to stifle democracy."

[ShazamIam]

28. I have no idea what your point is the filibuster is a conservative tool, according to some.

To others it was Democratic Wilson and some Democratic Senators who wrought the beast as it is now used.

https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/the-history-of-the-filibuster/

Adoption of Rule 22 occurred because Wilson and the Democrats framed the rule as a matter of national security. They fused procedure with policy, and used the bully pulpit to shame senators into reform.

Second, why did senators select a supermajority rule? A bipartisan committee was formed to negotiate the form of the rule. Five of the six Democrats supported a simple majority rule; one Republican supported a supermajority rule, and one Republican preferred no rule. Negotiators cut a deal: Cloture would require two-thirds of senators voting. Opponents promised not to block or weaken the proposal; supporters promised to drop their own proposal for simple majority cloture—a proposal supported by at least 40 senators. The cloture rule was then adopted, 76-3.

[kelly1mm]

41. Just to be clear, when the republicans get rid of the filibuster and ram through their agenda with

50 votes I assume you will be chearing the end of the undemocratic filibuster process?

[Nexus2]

42. I think he's serving himself.

He wants to keep his job so won't make a move he thinks will get him voted out. Currently the goal coincides with McConnell and his cronies' objectives. Manchin maybe taking that into account consciously or not, but its not required to explain his recent choices.

[elleng]

3. Not much I can do;

daughter already has her degree from WVU.

[drray23]

5. simple. motivate even more people to turn out and vote

and elect more dems in the senate to render Manchin irrelevant. The gop is trying to make it harder but its not impossible. This may actually backfire on them pissing off even more potential voters.

[FBaggins]

10. Storm the Capitol of course

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

13. Support Dems in states that have Republican senators

Which is what we should all do.

[Polybius]

14. The answer is simple

Because it will piss him off an he'll switch to a Republican, giving Mitch the majority again.

[RockRaven]

15. Work hard to get Dems elected to the Senate in 2022. In every race/state.

Because that's how you get stuff past Manchin.

Not by censuring him.

Not by kicking him out of the party.

Not by sabotaging his next re-election effort.

But by having a majority big enough that you don't rely on him as the deciding vote.

[StarfishSaver]

17. Why should Schumer kick any senator off of a committee because they didn't

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vote the party line?


That's getting into McCarthy/Liz Cheney territory.

We may not like the way Joe Manchin is voting, But he has a perfect right to vote however he chooses and it is completely inappropriate for leadership to strip him of committees because he didn't vote the party line.

We don't do that and we shouldn't - because we're not Republicans.

[wnylib]

32. Thank you for trying to talk sense

to people. I find Manchin very annoying, but I don't see imitation of the Republicans as a solution.

[StarfishSaver]

36. Not sure how much my fact-based logic is doing here ...

[wnylib]

38. I hear ya. But it needs saying.

Sometimes people propose solutions without looking at the larger picture and thinking through the consequences of what they suggest.

[George II]

18. What will I do? I'll support my Democratic Party whenever and however I can.....

Remember, through more than 200 roll call votes so far this session, he's voted with President Biden's and the Democratic Party's position 100% of the time. That's more than can be said about 15 other members of the Democratic Caucus.

[Bleacher Creature]

24. Be grateful that I haven't been sucked into an alternate version of reality.

I'm not sure who's predicting any of those outcomes, notwithstanding some understandable venting by frustrated posters, but those options have never been on the table, and hopefully most people here understand that.

[monkeyman1]

25. or we don't have president pissy pant's anymore !

[BigmanPigman]

26. I have called him and you don't need to be a constituent.

I get an address off of Zillow for his state. I have done this for all the bad Dems and all the GQP reps in both the House and Senate for years and it works great. I wish I could take credit for the idea but I got it at a tRump protest in 2017. It literally takes 2 minutes to Google "Zillow homes for sale, West Virginia". You get a real address and zip code and if the staffer at that DINO/Manchin's office asks where I am calling from (rarely happens) I have one all ready to go. Like I said, I am asked for my address about 3% of the time and I call them A LOT. A relative worked as a staffer for my Dem Congressman in DC and she said they hardly ever take down an address unless YOU want hem to have it.

[PufPuf23]

30. I will be sad for Democratic party and sad for the USA and just sad. nt

[Snackshack]

31. It's apparent that.

People simply do not realize what is at stake here. The idea that “that can’t happen here” is deeply embedded in the mindset Americans.

[left-of-center2012]

33. Don't the DU rules say we are to support Democrats?

We may not agree with them,
but we are supposed to support them.

[notpolltested]

34. Manchin doesn't support Democrats, so he's a walking talking TOS violation nt

[Arazi]

35. You're the insider. You know people. What is Schumer's plan for Manchin?

And the other Dem Senate rogues?

I'm sick of the guessing. Why don't you tell us the inside scoop?

[notpolltested]

37. Vet candidates properly so we don't have any more Cal Cunningham's costing us Seats ever again nt

[Thunderbeast]

39. Who here thinks West Virginia would elect a progressive Democrat?

This is realpolitik. We only have a nominal majority. It can be expanded next year, but we MUST put the same energy into the election that dems mustered to defeat the previous guy!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

40. Joe Manchin is literally defying gravity, and is as "blue" as anything Dems will get from West Virg

Link to tweet

[peggysue2]

43. The only workable solution at this point

Is making damn sure the Democratic Party is successful in 2022, 2024 and beyond. That means electing more Dems to the Senate and the House so that the majorities are robust, thereby reducing the effects of a Manchin or Sinema.

I don't understand their positions in today's reality but if we had a larger majority their two nay votes on filibuster reform would be far less impactful.