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global1

(25,224 posts)
Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:00 PM Jun 2021

It's Really A Slap In The Face To All Americans For Manchin To.....

be yukking it up at the Kennedy Center Honors.

He's having fun and enjoying himself on our dime.

I'm just sick and tired of having my nose rubbed in the dirt by the likes of Manchin, Sinema and the Repugs in general.

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It's Really A Slap In The Face To All Americans For Manchin To..... (Original Post) global1 Jun 2021 OP
Yeah, I was shocked to see him there Rorey Jun 2021 #1
The popular vote should mean something. Baitball Blogger Jun 2021 #2
He actually is representing the 62% that voted for him in West Virginia forthemiddle Jun 2021 #9
WV is a RED state, though, and Senator Manchin represents WV. Hortensis Jun 2021 #10
This is the one you fall on your sword for. Baitball Blogger Jun 2021 #11
Of solid liberal Dems, I'd want and EXPECT just that if necessary. Hortensis Jun 2021 #15
Actually... 2naSalit Jun 2021 #3
It's a game for some of them. Real leaders like Beto and Stacy lead. Politicians play politics nt notpolltested Jun 2021 #4
We need a good old fashioned arm twister like LBJ Warpy Jun 2021 #5
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2021 #6
Bingo! lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #7
Biden doesn't have the same tools that LBJ had StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #8
I'm talking about when he was in the Senate Warpy Jun 2021 #12
I like and understand Manchin. RegularJam Jun 2021 #16
Not sure I see what the problem is. RegularJam Jun 2021 #13
How he is going about registering his opinion about the filibuster is Politicub Jun 2021 #14

forthemiddle

(1,375 posts)
9. He actually is representing the 62% that voted for him in West Virginia
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jun 2021

Senators represent the state, not the national voters.
According to poll posted this weekend on DU, 60% of his constituents agree with him, and DON'T want him to vote to kill the filibuster.
So, in the end, he is representing his majority.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. WV is a RED state, though, and Senator Manchin represents WV.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:25 PM
Jun 2021

Remember, WV voters chose Trump by a still-solid margin in 2020, though down from 2016. Popular vote.

ALL WV reps but Manchin are Republicans, including their other senator, and they voted with Trump 92%.

Manchin voted with Trump 50% of the time. It was dicey for a while, but WV voters reelected him.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Of solid liberal Dems, I'd want and EXPECT just that if necessary.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:57 PM
Jun 2021

As you say.

I have no idea what he really believes in and what would constitute duty or its betrayal to him. I don't believe what he says as the lengthy process draws out and still hope he's maneuvering WV voters toward the idea that passing most of this is necessary, but then I've always been optimistic to the happy or bitter end.

Warpy

(111,135 posts)
5. We need a good old fashioned arm twister like LBJ
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:57 AM
Jun 2021

but we haven't had one of those in a very long time.

Appeasing the bastard hasn't worked. It's time to threaten all of his pet projects.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. Bingo!
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jun 2021

I would imagine that Biden could do it, if he chooses to. He probably knows a lot about how Manchin ticks. No, I didn't say that Manchin is a tick (though WV does have a big tick problem).

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
8. Biden doesn't have the same tools that LBJ had
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 11:44 AM
Jun 2021

Among other things, Senate earmarks are a thing of the past and campaign finance laws restrict how much pressure a President can put on senators.

LBJ was operating in an entirely different environment 60 years ago, so expecting Biden to work the system the way LBJ did is unrealistic.

Warpy

(111,135 posts)
12. I'm talking about when he was in the Senate
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:41 PM
Jun 2021

His hardball tactics were infamous. By the time he got to be President, all he had to do is give them "that look" and they'd knuckle under.

Everything doesn't have to be dumped onto Biden's back.

 

RegularJam

(914 posts)
13. Not sure I see what the problem is.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:47 PM
Jun 2021

It's not a slap in the face to me. I'm so excited that people are getting out and smiling.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
14. How he is going about registering his opinion about the filibuster is
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jun 2021

also a slap in the face.

His op-Ed and media tour were aimed at currying favor from republicans.

I have already registered my acknowledgement of his role in dems having a thin majority in the Senate. My criticism is of his ideas and tactics.

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