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Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

It's Really A Slap In The Face To All Americans For Manchin To.....

be yukking it up at the Kennedy Center Honors.

He's having fun and enjoying himself on our dime.

I'm just sick and tired of having my nose rubbed in the dirt by the likes of Manchin, Sinema and the Repugs in general.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

1. Yeah, I was shocked to see him there

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

2. The popular vote should mean something.

Manchin is representing the 40% that lost.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:00 PM

9. He actually is representing the 62% that voted for him in West Virginia

Senators represent the state, not the national voters.
According to poll posted this weekend on DU, 60% of his constituents agree with him, and DON'T want him to vote to kill the filibuster.
So, in the end, he is representing his majority.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:25 PM

10. WV is a RED state, though, and Senator Manchin represents WV.

Remember, WV voters chose Trump by a still-solid margin in 2020, though down from 2016. Popular vote.

ALL WV reps but Manchin are Republicans, including their other senator, and they voted with Trump 92%.

Manchin voted with Trump 50% of the time. It was dicey for a while, but WV voters reelected him.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:33 PM

11. This is the one you fall on your sword for.

This is where you put country before political career.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:57 PM

15. Of solid liberal Dems, I'd want and EXPECT just that if necessary.

As you say.

I have no idea what he really believes in and what would constitute duty or its betrayal to him. I don't believe what he says as the lengthy process draws out and still hope he's maneuvering WV voters toward the idea that passing most of this is necessary, but then I've always been optimistic to the happy or bitter end.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:27 AM

3. Actually...

That event was live ten days ago and it is only being aired tonight.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:31 AM

4. It's a game for some of them. Real leaders like Beto and Stacy lead. Politicians play politics nt

 

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:57 AM

5. We need a good old fashioned arm twister like LBJ

but we haven't had one of those in a very long time.

Appeasing the bastard hasn't worked. It's time to threaten all of his pet projects.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 11:38 AM

6. +1 n/t

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Response to Warpy (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 11:41 AM

7. Bingo!

I would imagine that Biden could do it, if he chooses to. He probably knows a lot about how Manchin ticks. No, I didn't say that Manchin is a tick (though WV does have a big tick problem).

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Response to Warpy (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 11:44 AM

8. Biden doesn't have the same tools that LBJ had

Among other things, Senate earmarks are a thing of the past and campaign finance laws restrict how much pressure a President can put on senators.

LBJ was operating in an entirely different environment 60 years ago, so expecting Biden to work the system the way LBJ did is unrealistic.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:41 PM

12. I'm talking about when he was in the Senate

His hardball tactics were infamous. By the time he got to be President, all he had to do is give them "that look" and they'd knuckle under.

Everything doesn't have to be dumped onto Biden's back.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 01:19 PM

16. I like and understand Manchin.

 

That said, he needs to be removed from his committee assignments.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:47 PM

13. Not sure I see what the problem is.

 

It's not a slap in the face to me. I'm so excited that people are getting out and smiling.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:48 PM

14. How he is going about registering his opinion about the filibuster is

also a slap in the face.

His op-Ed and media tour were aimed at currying favor from republicans.

I have already registered my acknowledgement of his role in dems having a thin majority in the Senate. My criticism is of his ideas and tactics.

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