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Man and woman arrested in shooting death of 6-year-old Aiden Leos on 55 Freeway in Orange
Marcus Anthony Eriz & Wynne Lee Costa Mesa California couple arrested in road rage shooting of Aiden Leos 6 year old boy shot dead along Orange highway.
A Costa Mesa couple have been arrested in connection to the road rage killing of 6-year-old boy, Aiden Leos, who was struck by gunfire on the 55 Freeway, according to the California Highway Patrol.
CHP confirmed the arrest of two suspects, Marcus Anthony Eriz, 24, and Wynne Lee, 23, thought to be boyfriend and girlfriend who authorities believe to be culpable for the shooting death of Aiden last month.
The pair were arrested on Sunday at their home in Costa Mesa and are expected to be charged with murder according to a CHP release. Per sources close to the case, both suspects are being held at the Orange County Jail on $1 million bond each.
‘On behalf of Border Division Chief Omar Watson, and the Santa Ana Area, we are deeply grateful for the professionalism and tireless commitment of our investigators who have worked on this case from day one to find those responsible for Aiden’s death,’ said CHP Commissioner Amanda Rey. ‘While these arrests will not ease the pain of a mother’s loss, my hope is for the Leos family to have some peace of mind and to rest assured the CHP will work with the Orange County District Attorney to bring justice for Aiden.’
The CHP Border Division Chief Watson also thanked the community for its ‘indescribable outpouring of concern and hundreds of tips’ that helped investigators find the killers.
https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2021/06/marcus-anthony-eriz-wynne-lee-costa-mesa-ca-couple-arrested-aiden-leos-road-rage-shooting/
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Budi
(15,325 posts)Miserable selfish useless.
Initech
(108,777 posts)
dalton99a
(94,113 posts)
George II
(67,782 posts)
JI7
(93,615 posts)
paleotn
(22,212 posts)A "good guy with a gun" until the wasn't.
Jim__
(15,222 posts)
leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)You never know when crazies like this are in the other car.
I just get way put of the way.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)someone got fed up
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)well... he engaged with the wrong guy
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)I bet there would have been guns involved.
Person shot in the face during ‘road rage’ incident near Elgin, police say
by: Billy Gates
Posted: Apr 2, 2021 / 10:13 PM CDT / Updated: Apr 2, 2021 / 10:13 PM CDT
ELGIN, Texas (KXAN) — An incident between two drivers turned violent Friday afternoon on State Highway 95 outside Elgin.
One driver in front of a line of cars was going 55-60 mph, EPD said. A driver a few cars behind became angry and sped up, passed all the cars in front of them — including the lead car.
Once that car pulled in front, the driver slammed on the brakes and forced all the other cars behind them to stop. Then, once everyone was stopped, the driver got out of the car and started punching the windows of the car originally at the front of the line. The driver of that car then opened fire and shot the person punching their car in the face.
EPD officers were first on scene and took the person who fired shots into custody, and emergency crews responded to treat the person who was shot, EPD said.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)From the guy punching his window. What comes after the window breaks?
I'd shoot him too if he attacked me & i couldnt drive away. Especially if my wife was with me
aggiesal
(10,801 posts)if 5 cars are piled up behind you, by law, the lead driver has to pull over into the shoulder and
allow all the cars behind, to pass.
4 cars, you're OK.
5 cars pull over
6 cars, you're asking for it! In California anyway.
CHP will ticket you if they see 5 cars behind the lead car.
On a one lane road, the danger increases exponentially for each car
that has to pass, especially for the lead driver.
Pulling over into the shoulder is the safest way to allow all cars to pass.
SergeStorms
(20,591 posts)to check your rearview and sideview mirrors when you drive. If you see a line of cars behind you, chances are you're the problem and should pull over to let them by. You'd be surprised how many people are totally unaware of what's going on behind them, even to the point of not pulling over when emergency vehicles are trying to pass.
I'm not implying you do this, aggiesal, I'm just saying some people are completely uninvolved with job of driving safely, and I do consider driving a job that deserves your complete attention. 
I'm sure you're a safe and conscientious driver.
Tink41
(537 posts)First I'm not trolling or have any intention of sarcasm, rudeness. What is the point of a speed LIMIT if 5 cars are piling up behind you? It has gotten worse during the pandemic w people driving 45, 50 on 35 mph roads. WHY??? Why do I need to move for idiots
who think the limit is a suggestion? If its 30 mph that is what I'm doing.
Again, I'm honestly curious cause each day is more stressful as it continues.
Whiskeytide
(4,656 posts)… travel at 5-10 mph over the speed limit. If someone is going the speed limit, it backs up traffic. If a vehicle is going the speed limit and 5, 6, 10 or more vehicles que in behind that driver, it creates an unsafe situation for EVERYONE, and tends to flare tempers.
The vehicle going the speed limit may be within their rights to do so, true enough, but they are also the only vehicle in the equation that has the ability to remedy the situation. People going 10 mph over the speed limit may be hurrying for a multitude of reasons - legit or not — Late for work and afraid of losing their job, rushing to the hospital in an emergency, trying to catch a plane etc…. Adding to the stress is not wise for anyone. If you’re not in a hurry, pull over and let the caravan pass, and then be on your way. It’s safer for everyone.
Tink41
(537 posts)And that is what I am asking. What is the point of a posted LIMIT when no one obeys it? What situation would need to be remedied
if people followed the rules? It does not say in the rules it's ok to do 60 in a 45 cause you are late to work. On the occasion, of a true emergency fair enough, no way are there true emergencies on every road I travel everyday, at all times of the day. Including the 15 mph down my street. All night all day everyday. It almost sounds like rules of the road are rules you make up yourself just like the pandemic. Not literally "yourself" but that seems to be what a large majority did.
Whiskeytide
(4,656 posts)… course of action given the circumstances.
The point of a speed limit is to maintain order on the roadway. You DON’T want everyone going as fast as they want to go. Keeping idiots from going 65 in a 45 zone is the primary point.
But we KNOW most people go 5-10 over the speed limits. They simply do. You don’t have to like it, or agree with it, or participate in it. But it’s foolish to not acknowledge it. I’ve heard LEOs say that the actual speed limit is 5-10 mph over the posted speed. Very few will ticket a car for that infraction, and most experienced drivers know this and keep it in that range for that reason - always taking into account where you are and what’s around you, of course.
And it IS situational. If you drive the speed limit in town, in traffic, from your house to the grocery store 3 miles away -ok. That’s not going to be a problem.
But if you drive 55 on a two lane highway for 40 miles, you’re going to have 15 drivers bumper to bumper behind you, impatient, aggravated, and probably looking to pass you even if it creates some risk. That endangers you, them and possibly other drivers on the road.
What’s the point in that?
Tink41
(537 posts)These same principals came into play during the height of pandemic. Wearing a mask below the nose, no mask, safe as long as its family. Funeral, Church, etc... all safe, acceptable cause " Most people were doing this, and everyone knew it."
Was regaled w stories of neighborhood bars, restaurants over capacity no one masked, cops look other way. WTF???
Sorry, rant over and NOT directed at you. Numerous horrific crashes, deaths in these past months in my community. Pedestrians, bicycles. Been here 30 yrs and never seen it like this. The roads are absolute insanity here, side streets, main roads.
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)And traffic laws take that into consideration, hence why CHP will cite someone for backing up traffic, even if they're strictly obeying the law. Their strict adherence is causing a safety hazard.
Yes, it's not strictly the written law. But we have something called "social law." Where we, as a group, accept that things work a certain way. (Social law is a fascinating subject to dive into).
The pandemic was an object exercise in social law. What are the new norms? What are we willing to accept? What exceptions will we make? Who's making them and why?
I will say, coming out of all this, it was super interesting to watch how humans behaved during the pandemic. I used to just walk around neighborhoods and watch during the strictest parts of lockdown. Who's doing what. Totally fascinating.
I imagine there will be some books about it all.
Tink41
(537 posts)So for me rules, directions are what I'm all about. Thrive on exact expectations. Not so good at what you are describing. And again
it's a VERY recent discovery. I don't drive within the limits because I'm law abiding. I do because that's what is proclaimed all along the roadway every couple blocks or so AND I refuse to give my money to anyone for a ticket. I don't do expressways anymore and I haven't had an encounter with the police in 30+ yrs.
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)I learned early on I'm a little similar. Like with the gym. I have a trainer. Not because I don't know what to do. I know exactly what to do. I need the expectation. I need accountability. I need the rules and guard rails. "And you will do this today." And I will do exactly that. It's just how my personality works.
So it's good for you to have that self-awareness.
Ka-Dinh Oy
(11,686 posts)I am one of the "goes the speed limit" people. I come to complete stops and do not rush out in front of other cars to get to where I am going to continue on the road. Yes, once in a rare while I do speed and that is usually when I am trying to get around some one who is going 5 to 10 miles under the speed limit. When I pass people going that slow I look at them (not with a dirty look) as I pass to make sure they are alright. I also do not use the fast lane unless I am passing an under the speed limit person. I always use my blinker. Hell, I am one of those idiots who uses my blinker in parking lots. Most people don't use blinkers in parking lots.
Why should I pull over when I am obeying the law to let someone break it?
It amazes me how people who drive the way they are supposed to get so much bad rap.
Whiskeytide
(4,656 posts)… for everyone to not have lines of traffic backed up on the roadway. Regardless of the cause.
I use my turn signals as well, and I use the passing lane to pass. I’m customarily a very defensive driver. But I do often travel a few miles over the posted speed. I think the majority of drivers do. That may make us law-breakers, but it’s still the reality. And understand I’m talking about going 63 in a 55 zone, or 78 in a 70 zone. No one is excusing people recklessly blowing down the highway 25 mph over the limit.
My point is that traveling the speed limit and having cars stacked up behind you is unsafe for all. Everyone is too close, and some start to get anxious. A sudden stop causes a pile up. A pass attempt by an anxious, hurrying driver is dangerous.
That’s a lot of risk being slung around just to prove that someone “has the right”.
There are only two solutions to reduce the risk. Make EVERYONE go the speed limit (which is never going to happen), or let faster drivers go ahead of you.
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)If you're going the speed limit, and everyone else is going faster, you actually become a hazard. Stubborn adherence to written rules when those rules are not appropriate to the situation you find yourself in have caused a lot of traffic deaths.
I always tend to go the speed of traffic. We're all 10 over the limit? Ok, I guess we're all 10 over the limit today. Makes no nevermind to me. If I'm going the same as anyone else, not like CHP is hunting me down. They're going after that asshole who just blazed by us, and we were all at 70 already.
Driving the way you're "supposed to" can actually create dangerous situations. That's why the police will actually pull you over if you have build up behind you (at least, in California they will).
Being right and being alive are two somewhat different things.
Tink41
(537 posts)This nonsense is on populated residential streets. Haven't been on the expwy in at least 10 yrs. Refuse to do it anymore. If it takes me an extra hour to get somewhere so be it.
aggiesal
(10,801 posts)and the CHP treats it that way. The only time the speed limit is the speed limit is when the sign states
"MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT"
Otherwise the speed limit is actually what is safe for the conditions.
If the limit is 65 and there is a torrential down pour of rain, with everyone slowing down to 30's & 40's MPH,
anyone driving at 65 MPH speed limit in these conditions could get ticketed for speeding even if your speed satisfies the limit.
The CHP recognizes what safe speed for the condition.
There is also a law that states you have to drive within 10 MPH of the speed limit.
If the speed limit is set to 65 MPH, and a driver is driving less than 55 MPH, that is not a "SAFE" speed and the
CHP will ticket you because you are a hazard. I can see CHP doing that if they deem the "SAFE" speed is at 75 MPH
and a driver is driving slower than 65 MPH. Even if they are driving within the Speed limit, this is UNSAFE if everyone
around you is driving at 75.
I usually would drive no more than 10% above the posted speed limit.
If the speed limit is 60 MPH, I'd drive no faster than 66 MPH, so I'd set the cruise control to 65.
65 MPH -> 72 MPH - I'd probably drive around 70 MPH
70 MPH -> 77 MPH - I'd probably drive around 75 MPH
I think you understand.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)aggiesal
(10,801 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)aggiesal
(10,801 posts)Had a friend back when I lived in the Bay Area, who was and told me all this.
If everyone is driving 70 MPH and someone comes screaming through at 80 MPH, you ticket (speeding) the one that is doing 80 MPH.
If everyone is driving 70 MPH and is passing up the driver doing 55-60 MPH, you ticket (hazard) the one that's doing 55-60 MPH.
They would have to ticket thousands for doing 70 MPH, the system could never handle those numbers.
Any vehicle with more than 2 axles can't go faster than 55 MPH, regardless of the speed limit. That includes if you're towing.
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)Tink41
(537 posts)Completely fucked up when most seem to think any speed goes as long as you're keeping up with traffic. Hell, why not just do 100 mph all day long?? I don't get it, where does it say 10-15% over is acceptable? Is there a special book I don't know of that tells you
acceptable rule skirting practices.??
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)in major metro areas, then the whole eastern seaboard, A trip to CA revealed same. Stop signs are optional and a huge number are on devices constantly. We have lost friends to drivers who were texting, etc. Sucks
3catwoman3
(29,404 posts)Too many assholes on the loose.
Escurumbele
(4,094 posts)And if I know it was actually my fault I just raise my hand excusing myself, but yes, you never know when a crazy is out there. They get guns and they cannot wait to use them.
C Moon
(13,642 posts)If you react, then there's a good chance something will happen and you'll end up in court or something else and have to see their sorry faces, and hear their names again and again.
cab67
(3,749 posts)Don’t make eye contact. Just keep driving and pay attention to my he road in front of you.
bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)have gotten the super-dark tinting on their windows. My guess is that they don't want to give other drivers the opportunity to look them in the eye after they've pulled some dirty shit on them. Further proof that these types really are cowards.
JI7
(93,615 posts)
Submariner
(13,365 posts)for no other reason than the little boy's Mom will probably never have a peaceful sleep again, or moment of calm rest, without thinking about the nightmare she lived through in that car in the moments after that gunshot.
FreepFryer
(7,086 posts)Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)KG
(28,795 posts)
ShazzieB
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Hassin Bin Sober
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UpInArms
(54,973 posts)For me to describe that evil walks and appears human ....
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)
Sancho
(9,205 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman
MineralMan
(151,265 posts)It was never a good idea, and too many people are armed in cars these days. Just let them go by. Do not participate in road rage at any level.
That's my advice. It's my opinion. You might feel differently.
The Mom in that story, though, will live the rest of her life knowing that giving the finger to someone cost her son his life. It is not worth it.
SunnyATT
(56 posts)Do not flip anyone off and you might add don't toot your horn or flash your lights. People are nuts!!!
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)
JI7
(93,615 posts)Especially if it's becsuse I'm annoyed like someone not moving when the light turns green.
Ilsa
(64,366 posts)Too many angry, armed people out there.
Decades ago, my brothers-in-law and his wife were on a highway in California. He changed lanes and accidentally cut someone off. The driver of that car drove up beside him, screaming and shaking his fist at him, flipped them off, then tailgated him. My BIL tried slowing down to let him go around, but he stayed to their side or behind them for the next hour. They were terrified. They finally managed to do a quick exit and lose them. They were afraid at some point they'd need to stop for gas and be followed, with an escalation.
People go nuts and stay angry over nothing.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)eventually she began not starting up immediately at green lights. I realized she was punishing me for "something".. I had no idea..
Maybe I had been in front of her and not driving as fast I she thought I should 
anyway, I simply moved to another lane and when about my day. SHe followed me for a long time, until I got to my first appointment. I parked and she sat next to me in her car for a bit. I refused to even look at her. Then she drove off finally.. so weird... the game of Duel people will get into from their cars.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)They WANT you to look at them. I act like I dont even know they're THERE.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)or I ......???...These people are nuts. Never give them the finger...Never get in their way..Avoid
them if possible....Do what is necessary to get away from them...
If you think that you own a space on a highway...and no one can take your space.
.as you travel along, (and the space is in front of you as you are going 60mph).....
...............................................well of course you are nuts!!!!!.........................................
Hekate
(100,133 posts)It was close to 40 years ago. My young kids were in the car, and this guy who looked over 70 kept riding my bumper. I was in the fast lane already and didn’t have an easy way out. At first I upped my speed thinking that’s all he wanted, but the third time he pushed me yet faster I realized he was not going to let up, so I started tapping my brake light and looking hard for a way to get into another lane. When I got there I took a calculated risk (I thought) that some guy over 70 with his wife in the car wasn’t going to take this far enough to kill me and in a flash I gave him the bird. As he whooshed past, his wife looked aghast at me, so shocked at my rudeness. My kids were shocked, too, as this was very unlike the me they knew.
Every time since then that someone has tried to climb up my tailpipe I tap my break lights as soon as they get way too close, and if they want the road that bad they can have it. I move over asap, with no naughty gestures. To hell with them.
But the stories you hear, my gods. It was about the same era one of my mother’s friends had one side of her bumper deliberately clipped by a guy in a pickup truck. He almost spun her, but fortunately she escaped to the off-ramp with a battered car. And you’d think, naaaw, someone with that much control of their pickup truck? But you’d pick up the LA Times the next week and read that it was a real thing going on, apparently someone’s idea of kicks — clip a tail-light and spin a car on the freeway.
I feel for that mother. What those murderers did to her will never, ever heal.
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Visceral and heated reactions are rarely thought out, though of, or even thought through in the heat of a moment.
It's my opinion. You might feel differently.
__^
paleotn
(22,212 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)You are 100% correct. About ten years ago, I worked as a dispatcher for a police department in a fairly large Arizona city. The department did a study and concluded that of the cars stopped by officers, 70% of those cars had a gun inside. Once I heard that little factoid, I resolved to never, ever again flip someone off when driving. You never know if that person has a gun in the car with them and is ready to have a "Falling Down" moment.
moonscape
(5,722 posts)
kcr
(15,522 posts)Period.
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)Does not deserve the death penalty.
Hope these 2 rot in prison, and burn in hell after that.
kcr
(15,522 posts)for the obvious. Especially here.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)
Judi Lynn
(164,122 posts)By Jessica McBride
Updated Jun 7, 2021 at 2:25pm
Wynne Lee and Marcus Eriz are the two suspects accused in the fatal road rage shooting death in California of 6-year-old Aiden Anthony Leos.
Marcus Anthony Eriz is an auto body technician who brandished guns at shooting ranges on his Instagram page; Lee is the daughter of Taiwanese immigrants who was featured in stories about depression among Asian-American teens. Both are from California.
Aiden’s death on May 21, 2021, has outraged and galvanized the community. The boy was shot and killed on the 55 Freeway in Orange, California. Lee and Eriz were arrested in Costa Mesa, California, on Sunday, June 6, 2021, according to the California Highway Patrol, and they are “expected to be charged with murder,” a news release said.
Instagram
A still shot from a video on Marcus Eriz’s Instagram page.
Authorities said in a news release the boy was shot in “a road rage incident over a perceived unsafe lane change.” The California Highway Patrol called the suspect Eriz Marcus Anthony in the news release, but jail records and his social media accounts give his name as Marcus Anthony Eriz.
. . .
Aiden Leos
More:
https://heavy.com/news/wynne-lee-marcus-eriz/
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I hope the bastard that shot him gets the book thrown at him. 
RIP, little Aiden. 
sakabatou
(46,145 posts)
ExciteBike66
(2,700 posts)
Roc2020
(1,787 posts)glad they got caught but if it was not for the reward I don't think they would have.
rockfordfile
(8,742 posts)If they don't get the death penalty, then what a travesty to the family.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,956 posts)
/revision/latest?cb=20101008232402Initech
(108,777 posts)Give an idiot a gun, don't be surprised when they do something stupid with it.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)Every time I look at it, I want to slap that condescending sneer off his face.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,412 posts)We live across the street from the fairgrounds where it was held. It goes on there several times a year. Those two live in Costa Mesa as well. I feel the 2nd amendment has been twisted by the worst of society to cause our stalemate. A small minority is using its power to haphazardly destroy us. And these casualties are the evidence.
Initech
(108,777 posts)Expect the return of drive-by shootings! Yay!
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,412 posts)"If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason's and Dixon's, but between patriotism and intelligence on one side, and superstition, ambition, and ignorance on the other."
U.S Grant
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)spoke a the fairgrounds... people in trucks with big ass flags...
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,412 posts)Sadly we couldn't stay up there.
JI7
(93,615 posts)and have it with them everywhere.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,412 posts)
WarGamer
(18,613 posts)Turn yourself in or we come at you 100mph...
Wild blueberry
(8,295 posts)
demigoddess
(6,675 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)He's probably the person who fired the gun, but that woman is still culpable as far as I'm concerned without notifying authorities about the incident immediately.
kskiska
(27,165 posts)A yellow flashing left turn arrow during a green light for straight-ahead traffic. People are seeing that and are refusing to make the turn, even when the road is clear for a left turn. It's meant only as a caution for left-hand turns. Then the light turns red for everyone. It's frustrating to be behind one of these drivers.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)It would probably confuse me briefly, like I might wonder if I had to exercise caution to even drive on that road.
Probably not a long delay from me, though. I've been behind some older drivers around here who seem to need at least 10 seconds before recognizing that a traffic light turned green. My main hope is that they never attempt to drive by Chicago because their slow reaction times might kill them and others around there.
Never wanted to shoot any of those drivers, of course!
DVRacer
(734 posts)The news did a bunch of stories on them when they were introduced basically you treat them like a right turn on a red light. Come to a stop and turn when the traffic is clear just be mindful you do not have the right of way during your turn. What they are replacing are the intersection solid green that says yield to oncoming traffic when turning left. Many accidents happened when people assumed green meant go and would turn into traffic.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)
MissB
(16,344 posts)is that some jurisdictions allow you to pull out into the intersection while trying to make the turn on the flashing yellow and then take the turn as it goes to solid yellow and some cities will ticket you if you’re in the intersection when it turns solid yellow.
I personally love the flashing yellow turn signal as it moves traffic along quite nicely.
Crunchy Frog
(28,280 posts)
Warpy
(114,614 posts)Anybody who gets bent out of shape enough to pull a gun on a finger needs restraints, physical or chemical.
maxsolomon
(38,715 posts)Yes, the incidents vanishingly rare, as Judge Benitez would say, but the more angry, frustrated MEN with guns in their hands the greater the odds that one of them will use that gun.
He didn't NEED this gun to protect himself, he WANTED to use it when he was flipped off. He saw a nail, and all he had was a hammer. That's not a reason to execute anyone.
A split second overreaction made in haste and anger, and it killed a child. If he HADN'T had a gun, he wouldn't have committed murder.
LudwigPastorius
(14,723 posts)...or, life without parole.
They get to pick.
SouthBayDem
(33,282 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(12,217 posts)Of course, they didn't call it that. Goofy was cast in two mutually exclusive roles - mild-mannered and friendly Mr. Walker when he was a pedestrian, and deranged and raging Mr. Wheeler when he was driving. I remember it from many years ago, when my Sunday evenings were dominated by The Wonderful World of Disney. I think I was about 8.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Maine Abu El Banat
(3,537 posts)Pure and simple.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)They take everything personally. I have a road rage cousin - almost no one in the family will talk to him - sometimes I try to talk reason into him but it’s hard. He has told me his road rage stories - so sick and he thinks he’s in the the right. Last one was a lady made a mistake in a parking lot, so Cousin Denny blocks her so she can’t get out -sitting on his hood taunting her. Who does this? Usually people who get along with no one in their personal lives. Luckily - he lives in a state where he can’t carry a gun.