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Nevilledog

(51,219 posts)
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:26 PM Jun 2021

Jennifer Rubin: Time to call Manchin's bluff



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Exactly right: "Manchin’s bland platitudes suggest he prefers stalemate to taking hard votes. The status quo leaves him with latitude to make holier-than-thou pronouncements to decry both sides."

Opinion | Time to call Manchin’s bluff
Show us 10 reasonable Republicans. We'll wait.
washingtonpost.com
2:49 PM · Jun 7, 2021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/07/time-call-manchins-bluff/

Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) declared in a Sunday op-ed that he is against the For the People Act because it is not bipartisan. “I believe that partisan voting legislation will destroy the already weakening binds of our democracy, and for that reason, I will vote against the For the People Act,” he wrote. “Furthermore, I will not vote to weaken or eliminate the filibuster.”

Let’s take H.R. 1 first. He does not state what provisions he likes or doesn’t, nor does he suggest what compromise bill might reach 60 votes. So his objection is that Republicans object? Many bills that he supported came without Republican support — the American Rescue Plan, most recently, and of course, the Affordable Care Act. The notion that Republicans win simply by refusing to agree to any of the majority’s legislative proposals makes a mockery of democracy, and specifically of the Senate. Indeed, Republicans’ filibuster of the Jan. 6 commission legislation showed that we lack 10 Republicans willing to operate in good faith.

Manchin also states that he prefers H.R. 4, which addresses only reauthorization of preclearance provisions. He argued, “The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act would update the formula states and localities must use to ensure proposed voting laws do not restrict the rights of any particular group or population. My Republican colleague, Sen. Lisa Murkowski, has joined me in urging Senate leadership to update and pass this bill through regular order.” But where are the 10 Republicans to support that measure? Manchin is “encouraged by the desire from both sides to transcend partisan politics and strengthen our democracy by protecting voting rights.” Yet when 10 Republicans do not emerge for cloture on that either — just as we saw on the Jan. 6 commission bill — does Manchin simply give up?

It’s time for Manchin to put up or share blame for Republicans’ subversion of democracy. Let him come up with 10 Republicans for H.R. 4 and for a slimmed down H.R. 1. Let him find four more Republicans to support the Jan. 6 commission. If he cannot, then his thesis that the filibuster promotes debate and makes way for compromise collapses and his role in promoting the tyranny of the minority is laid bare.

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Jennifer Rubin: Time to call Manchin's bluff (Original Post) Nevilledog Jun 2021 OP
Manchin Country: The province of yellow lines and dead armadillos gratuitous Jun 2021 #1
You won't find any Armadillos in W. VA. SergeStorms Jun 2021 #16
That's Texas. The 'Dillo is a much loved animal closely associated with Texas. argyl Jun 2021 #29
Agreed. Time to call Manchin out, make him find 10 republicans... brush Jun 2021 #2
He's taken over the Susan Collins position and he is flexing his power and seeking attention. TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #27
Sing It Sista, Sing It WHITT Jun 2021 #3
He'll do Putin's bidding. The Wizard Jun 2021 #4
I really don't think President Biden is doing enough right now. Goodheart Jun 2021 #5
I agree with you... scardycat Jun 2021 #30
Manchin and voting rights legislation are now a lost cause. Lonestarblue Jun 2021 #6
Plan B is democracy dies. Plan A is take to the streets and airwaves and make Manchin's life hell. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #9
August recess,, or July 15....? HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #12
The last thing we need is more delay. calimary Jun 2021 #25
exactly qazplm135 Jun 2021 #19
No manches, Manchin. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2021 #7
Not just Manchin Traildogbob Jun 2021 #8
Call his bluff, sure, but don't let him drag his feet with the Diogenes act. Because he will. Efilroft Sul Jun 2021 #10
Joe wants to be re-elected. Will jump to rethugs if necessary** UGADawg Jun 2021 #11
Can the For the People Act be quickly edited to suit him? SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2021 #13
+1, do this and then make him vote against it to see if he has any integrity uponit7771 Jun 2021 #14
He wouldn't have to vote against it FBaggins Jun 2021 #21
He has shown that he has no integrity. Jay25 Jun 2021 #24
Wrong has never rescued squat, rubes. czarjak Jun 2021 #15
Kickin' Faux pas Jun 2021 #17
I totally agree. Rustyeye77 Jun 2021 #18
tRump Munchin Blue Owl Jun 2021 #20
I'm not sure that my pragmatism when it comes to Manchin is completely exhauasted yet. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #22
It depends on what that 50% is Withywindle Jun 2021 #31
I agree completely. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #35
I don't think anything will work. The harder Democrats try the more it emboldens him LiberalLovinLug Jun 2021 #23
it is easy to get his attention Lithos Jun 2021 #26
I have only two words for Joe Manchin. calimary Jun 2021 #28
+1 Withywindle Jun 2021 #32
Just another slimmy politician whose only concern is reelection. olegramps Jun 2021 #33
Thank you Jennifer spanone Jun 2021 #34

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. Manchin Country: The province of yellow lines and dead armadillos
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:30 PM
Jun 2021

That's what's in the middle of the road.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
16. You won't find any Armadillos in W. VA.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 09:07 PM
Jun 2021

Plenty of Opossums and Racoons for road-kill stew, but yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
I believe Manchin will be the last Democratic Senator elected in West Virginia, unfortunately.

argyl

(3,064 posts)
29. That's Texas. The 'Dillo is a much loved animal closely associated with Texas.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 02:00 AM
Jun 2021

About 50 years ago the students made a serious push to change the football team name from Longhorns to Armadillos.
Needless to say it's still "Hook 'em Horns."
This little project was originally whipped up by some students who loved their bud. There was some publicity about it but no one seriously thought it would pass.
But it was fun to kick around.

brush

(53,924 posts)
2. Agreed. Time to call Manchin out, make him find 10 republicans...
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:37 PM
Jun 2021

on all these bills he's demanding bipartisanship. There are of course no 10 republicans so Manchin has to explain his obstruction to his own party's agenda and the resulting tyranny of the minority.

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
3. Sing It Sista, Sing It
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:39 PM
Jun 2021

I've been advocating that for months. CALL HIS BLUFF.

There are 49 Senate co-sponsors for H.R. 1. Does he really want to be the only Dem to vote against?

Goodheart

(5,346 posts)
5. I really don't think President Biden is doing enough right now.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:59 PM
Jun 2021

If I were Joe I'd give a prime time national TV address on the urgency of the infrastructure situation, and I'd include lines like:

"Good infrastructure doesn't just mean good jobs, it means ongoing national prosperity and strengthens our national security. Republicans right now are obstructing jobs, prosperity, and security"

"My infrastructure plan includes tens of millions of dollars in projects for places that desperately need it, LIKE WEST VIRGINIA AND ARIZONA, and we need to rid ourselves of politics that deprive West Virginians, Arizonans, and other Americans of the help they deserve. Republicans, Democrats, please heed the call... don't stand in the doorway don't block up the hall... the times must be changin'."

scardycat

(169 posts)
30. I agree with you...
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 03:01 AM
Jun 2021

I always thought President Biden should take it to the American people and get on tv and really explain what is going on and call out the Republicans more. Most people dont pay that close attention to what is going on unless they see it on tv. And tell Joe Manchin to stick it where the sun dont shine.

Lonestarblue

(10,106 posts)
6. Manchin and voting rights legislation are now a lost cause.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:16 PM
Jun 2021

It’s time for Plan B, or maybe it’s C, to deal with the 2022 election. Democrats need to mobilize an army of lawyers to be election observers and to make sure that voter registrations and voter processes are perfect in Democratic precincts. In addition, if your registration signature is thirty years old, update it if you plan to vote by mail. Don’t give Republicans an excuse to discard your vote. Our only approach at this point is to make sure that Republicans have no excuse to declare voter fraud and overturn the vote. I have no ideas about voting machines without paper backup because they are vulnerable to tampering. We have to fight this precinct by precinct in the states that are swing states, like Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, and Wisconsin.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,685 posts)
9. Plan B is democracy dies. Plan A is take to the streets and airwaves and make Manchin's life hell.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:31 PM
Jun 2021

Biden should give him a deadline to find 10 Republican votes for infrastructure and voting rights- say by the August recess, or just before, say July 15. If Manchin can’t produce the needed votes, then he either votes to kill the filibuster and pass Biden’s agenda, or...

Biden and Harris hold a series of televised town halls during the August recess, extolling the virtues of the jobs bill and voting rights, for WV and the nation. Manchin would be invited to present the opposing side of the argument, as in, why shouldn’t WV have good paying jobs, and why shouldn’t all WV adults get to vote and have their votes counted?

This problem, the Manchin problem, cannot be solved using the traditional comfort zone paradigm of “let’s work really, really hard, get out the vote, and flip some seats.” It must be addressed using direct action, politically and in the streets.

HUAJIAO

(2,405 posts)
12. August recess,, or July 15....?
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:31 PM
Jun 2021

Heck no.. NEXT WEEK !! We don;t have time. 2021 is already more than 5 months over...

calimary

(81,527 posts)
25. The last thing we need is more delay.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 04:20 PM
Jun 2021

That’s a republi-CON tactic. Drag it out and run out the clock. And as they delay, people get tired and start trying to move on and just forget about it, OR do what the bad guys (ie: GOP) are doing right now: trying to rewrite history and saying either it never happened or it was some nice benign tourist picnic.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
19. exactly
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 09:13 PM
Jun 2021

and fuck all this democracy dies baloney. If folks want to quit when this doesn't pass, that's their prerogative. I'm not doing it.

Traildogbob

(8,833 posts)
8. Not just Manchin
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:30 PM
Jun 2021

One segment on Nicole Wallace had a panel pretty emphatic that Joe is not alone at all. And IF he were to cave, (ain’t gonna happen) 10-12 Dems will NOT kill the filibuster. So we have to get hard at it with voter registration and information to educate every voter how to get past republican road blocks. If the country is worth saving, there needs to be massive turnout to overcome. We HAVE to have more senate to neutralize Manchin and bubblehead. And double the house margins. No amount of whining about Manchin will change a thing. We need a Stacy Abrams on steroids effort and just put the GQP out ot it’s misery, and ours. Curb stomp the MFers!

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,156 posts)
13. Can the For the People Act be quickly edited to suit him?
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:38 PM
Jun 2021

If so, do it. Vote on it. Get it back to the Senate.

Jay25

(417 posts)
24. He has shown that he has no integrity.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 03:03 PM
Jun 2021

Claiming to want bipartisanship is just another way to stop Dems legislation, while playing both sides. If he truly cared he would address the republican voter suppression laws that are being enacted throughout the country.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
22. I'm not sure that my pragmatism when it comes to Manchin is completely exhauasted yet.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 12:46 PM
Jun 2021

It is, however, becoming more and more frayed. I held the view - and still do, in large part - that having someone from WV vote blue even 50% of the time is better than having an R take the seat and vote blue 0% of the time.

If, however, his intransigence is keeping VITAL legislation from being passed, maybe it will be time to roll the dice in WV and fervently hope for better.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
31. It depends on what that 50% is
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 03:42 AM
Jun 2021

If it's 50% on issues that don't really matter all that much in the long run, then that's really not impressive is it? I'd rather have someone who votes with us 30% of the time on things that really are important like THE RIGHT TO VOTE over someone who votes with us 50% of the time on anodyne stuff while still taking bribes from Koch to derail anything important.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
23. I don't think anything will work. The harder Democrats try the more it emboldens him
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 02:39 PM
Jun 2021

He's going to hold his breath until he is blue. Or maybe the right colour is red.

Lithos

(26,404 posts)
26. it is easy to get his attention
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 10:17 PM
Jun 2021

Make it more painful for him if he screws us than if he backtracks on the Koch brothers who are trying to own him.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
33. Just another slimmy politician whose only concern is reelection.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 09:18 AM
Jun 2021

His concerns are just as authetic as his total disregrade of his claim of adherence to the oath he took when being swore in as a member of congress. He should be kick out of the Democrtic Party and denied any funds for reelection. Let him join the fascists Republican traitors. If you don't support legislation to assist citizens to cast their vote you are in my opinion a traitor to the very reason that the founders of our nation risked their lifes to gain aganst tyanny.

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