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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPropublica publishing tax information on the wealthiest 0.001%
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-short-form-a-quick-guide-to-what-we-uncovered(Abbreviated overview.)
Many, many other stories just published.
https://www.propublica.org/article/why-we-are-publishing-the-tax-secrets-of-the-001
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax
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I'll be reading and staying tuned. Should be interesting.
Scrivener7
(50,944 posts)Thanks for the OP.
Kid Berwyn
(14,869 posts)Exposed thanks to Pro Publica and Friends.
You May Be Paying a Higher Tax Rate Than a Billionaire
https://www.propublica.org/article/you-may-be-paying-a-higher-tax-rate-than-a-billionaire
And to think some wonder why Im for publicly financed political campaigns.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)Not "may be", "ARE". If you have a job, you ARE paying a higher rate. SS & Medicare alone is 7.65% out of every check
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)Moon and Mars, and even resupply the IST.........go figure... and they are making a buck off this from taxpayers.........
Warpy
(111,241 posts)Hey, must be great to be that stupidly rich and self absorbed enough not to want to solve homelessness or hunger with it.
I get the guilts for what I've got, enough to live on with the principal going to MSF when I kick the bucket, certainly not enough for me to join the plutocracy. I don't know how I'd rationalize billions and a purposeless joyride on a rocket.
As for those trips to Mars, better solve the problems of micrometeorites, prolonged radiation and the consequences of prolonged weightlessness first, guys. You're just a little premature.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)Reminds me of the robber barons that have and use the same tactics from days gone by, all they have to do is go to the front group called the US Chamber of Commence, ALEC or anything tied to the dark money...ect...lobbyists and throttle democracy for greed, but they have a space plan, he (Bezo's) is bringing his brother on the taxpayers dime.............
But I like your ending....they are a little premature
Chainfire
(17,527 posts)Those with the gold, rule.
jalan48
(13,856 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,475 posts)So we should be able to do that as well. But Manchin, Sinema, and maybe a few others will need to have their arms bent to vote for it.
jalan48
(13,856 posts)where we are at as a political party and perpetuates the both-siderism argument.
KS Toronado
(17,195 posts)And I understand that in some cases tax breaks for financial losses can help people keep their heads above water.
But why tax breaks for wealthy people who didn't invest wisely in the stock/money markets? They are gambling
with their money just the same as I would do in Los Vegas. Plus they're using surplus money they don't need
for food, clothing, or shelter.
scarletlib
(3,411 posts)Always believed it was the patriotic thing to do.
I have always known the rich dont pay their fair share, these articles will hopefully expose them.
I dont think they can be shamed, but they need to be brought to account.
Finally I can see why regular people could become scofflaws and cheat on taxes. Why shouldnt we all?
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)First, ProPublica is saying that someone's "true tax rate" is the amount they paid in tax divided by their increase in wealth. This is a little tricky, since for the super-rich, this usually happens when stock increases in value. That should eventually get taxed as capital gains when the stock is sold, though of course there are ways to avoid that (inheritance being one of them).
Should people actually get taxed on the increase in value of their property, even if they don't actually sell the property? I guess that's a policy question, but it can lead to all sorts of awkward issues, like what happens if that property is your house, or if your property loses value, etc.
Moving on from that, it looks like Bezos (the main example in the third link above) managed to play some games even on the much smaller amount (but still enormous for ordinary people) of money that came to him as income. This was $46 million in 2007, compared with $3.8 billion in wealth appreciation. It looks like by claiming deductions and investment expenses/losses, Bezos managed to negate all of that.
I'm very curious as to how he managed that, and closing any tax loopholes that allowed that, but at this point we're already going after a tiny slice of the pie (about 1% of his wealth increase).
Also, I wonder why the AMT didn't apply to them?
brooklynite
(94,495 posts)Tax records are privileged information under Federal Law. If you believe its okay to release Bezos' et al tax records, in a situation where there is no evidence that cheating (as opposed to taking advantage of the tax rules written by Congress) took place, what would your argument be if a conservative think tank released tax records for people that you support?