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Tue Jun 8, 2021, 07:14 PM

Retired Army major general reduced to second lieutenant for sex crime conviction


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Yevgeny (Eugene) Vindman
@YVindman
5 years ago I recommended that this disgraced General be prosecuted in military court. Ultimately prosecuted in VA. Proud to have played a role in this case at the very beginning. Accountability, no matter how long it takes must come in a just society.

Retired Army major general reduced to second lieutenant for sex crime conviction
armytimes.com
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/06/07/retired-army-major-general-reduced-to-second-lieutenant-for-sex-crime-conviction/

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Reply Retired Army major general reduced to second lieutenant for sex crime conviction (Original post)
soothsayer Jun 2021 OP
qazplm135 Jun 2021 #1
GP6971 Jun 2021 #4
Angleae Jun 2021 #9
dawg day Jun 2021 #2
brush Jun 2021 #3
sarisataka Jun 2021 #6
dawg day Jun 2021 #8
Stinky The Clown Jun 2021 #5
blueinredohio Jun 2021 #7
qazplm135 Jun 2021 #10

Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 07:20 PM

1. Army Grade Determination Board

every retired officer goes through it. For most, a formality, but for those that commit crimes or bad acts, they have the power to lower your retirement rank all the way down to 2nd Lieutenant.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 07:51 PM

4. I especially liked this quote from the article;

“The Secretary of Defense changed the retired grade of then-Major General James J. Grazioplene, United States Army Retired, to second lieutenant after determining that second lieutenant was the highest grade in which he served on active duty satisfactorily,”

Highlighting is mine.

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Response to GP6971 (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:57 PM

9. That's just a nice way of saying "We can't bust him further down."

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Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 07:30 PM

2. Wait a minute-- he's not in the brig?

This sounds like what would be a mild punishment for having a consensual adult affair as an officer.

It sounds like less than a slap on the wrist for a sex crime.
At least the local justice system got him jailed for a while, though his sentence was suspended.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 07:47 PM

3. It's not minor. He's goes from the third highest officer retirement pension...

to the lowest, that of a second lieutenant. That's quite a reduction in income.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:10 PM

6. The statute of limitations under the UCMJ

had expired so there is nothing the military could do to put him in the brig.

This reduction probably cut his retirement pay by 95%

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:25 PM

8. Oh, well, sounds like it's the best that could be achieved

And of course, he will be a pariah, one hopes.

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Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:01 PM

5. Can this be applied to General Flynn?

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:19 PM

7. That was my thought when I saw the post.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:20 AM

10. No

It happens when you retire. See my post above.
Once retired he'd have to be recalled to duty again first.

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