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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:14 PM Jun 2021

Retired Army major general reduced to second lieutenant for sex crime conviction


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Yevgeny (Eugene) Vindman
@YVindman
5 years ago I recommended that this disgraced General be prosecuted in military court. Ultimately prosecuted in VA. Proud to have played a role in this case at the very beginning. Accountability, no matter how long it takes must come in a just society.

Retired Army major general reduced to second lieutenant for sex crime conviction
armytimes.com
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/06/07/retired-army-major-general-reduced-to-second-lieutenant-for-sex-crime-conviction/
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Retired Army major general reduced to second lieutenant for sex crime conviction (Original Post) soothsayer Jun 2021 OP
Army Grade Determination Board qazplm135 Jun 2021 #1
I especially liked this quote from the article; GP6971 Jun 2021 #4
That's just a nice way of saying "We can't bust him further down." Angleae Jun 2021 #9
Wait a minute-- he's not in the brig? dawg day Jun 2021 #2
It's not minor. He's goes from the third highest officer retirement pension... brush Jun 2021 #3
The statute of limitations under the UCMJ sarisataka Jun 2021 #6
Oh, well, sounds like it's the best that could be achieved dawg day Jun 2021 #8
Can this be applied to General Flynn? Stinky The Clown Jun 2021 #5
That was my thought when I saw the post. blueinredohio Jun 2021 #7
No qazplm135 Jun 2021 #10

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
1. Army Grade Determination Board
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:20 PM
Jun 2021

every retired officer goes through it. For most, a formality, but for those that commit crimes or bad acts, they have the power to lower your retirement rank all the way down to 2nd Lieutenant.

GP6971

(31,410 posts)
4. I especially liked this quote from the article;
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:51 PM
Jun 2021

“The Secretary of Defense changed the retired grade of then-Major General James J. Grazioplene, United States Army Retired, to second lieutenant after determining that second lieutenant was the highest grade in which he served on active duty satisfactorily,”

Highlighting is mine.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
2. Wait a minute-- he's not in the brig?
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:30 PM
Jun 2021

This sounds like what would be a mild punishment for having a consensual adult affair as an officer.

It sounds like less than a slap on the wrist for a sex crime.
At least the local justice system got him jailed for a while, though his sentence was suspended.

brush

(54,595 posts)
3. It's not minor. He's goes from the third highest officer retirement pension...
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:47 PM
Jun 2021

to the lowest, that of a second lieutenant. That's quite a reduction in income.

sarisataka

(19,530 posts)
6. The statute of limitations under the UCMJ
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 09:10 PM
Jun 2021

had expired so there is nothing the military could do to put him in the brig.

This reduction probably cut his retirement pay by 95%

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
8. Oh, well, sounds like it's the best that could be achieved
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 09:25 PM
Jun 2021

And of course, he will be a pariah, one hopes.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
10. No
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:20 AM
Jun 2021

It happens when you retire. See my post above.
Once retired he'd have to be recalled to duty again first.

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