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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 10:28 PM Jun 2021

FOX Guest: "...people aren't worth $15 an hour in most cases"

Fox guest Art Laffer: For those people who are coming into the labor force fresh, not oldtimers -- the poor, the minorities, the disenfranchised, those with less education, young people who haven't had the job experience -- these people aren't worth $15 an hour in most cases


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FOX Guest: "...people aren't worth $15 an hour in most cases" (Original Post) kpete Jun 2021 OP
I have three words sabbat hunter Jun 2021 #1
Fuck that kook. And in economic circles his theory is just that. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #2
Well, his obit won't be worth reading dalton99a Jun 2021 #3
Many years ago, I heard it said that, when all was said and done, the goal of Atticus Jun 2021 #4
With power grab LakeArenal Jun 2021 #5
Yep Diamond_Dog Jun 2021 #6
Ask him how many CEO's are worth 30 million per year. Funtatlaguy Jun 2021 #7
That selfish shithead doesn't realize he is making an argument for Universal Basic Income. GoodRaisin Jun 2021 #8
Hey, Laffable, when's the last time you knew squat about minimum wage? JHB Jun 2021 #9
Billionaires shouldn't exist. sop Jun 2021 #10
Oh hey! It's that giggling ass-clown fraud, whose claim to fame is that stupid ass Carlitos Brigante Jun 2021 #11
Sounds like their ideal guest. lpbk2713 Jun 2021 #12
Laffer is worth negative trillions of dollars TheFarseer Jun 2021 #13
People like this need to live on minimum wage PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #14
Sadly... greytdemocrat Jun 2021 #15
you what? radicalleft Jun 2021 #22
Then you're no Democrat. Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #24
Hate to agree with him but, Ferryboat Jun 2021 #16
What does a worker deserve? Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #17
First please explain TheFarseer Jun 2021 #20
Bullshit. Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #23
"Deserving" is such a gross concept. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #25
Well I'm surprised that he didn't add that some races aren't worth any wages n/t malaise Jun 2021 #18
Worth? Wow. To reduce the needs of a human to some inhumane arbitrary/racist notion of what some POS Solly Mack Jun 2021 #19
excellent and succinct harumph Jun 2021 #21
That was anger. I'm still angry. I stay angry in the face of such disregard. Solly Mack Jun 2021 #27
Well said. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #26
I started out sputtering from anger. Solly Mack Jun 2021 #28
We need legislation indexing wages to prices. sop Jun 2021 #29
You've described them exactly. Solly Mack Jun 2021 #30

sabbat hunter

(6,829 posts)
1. I have three words
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 10:32 PM
Jun 2021

Fuck Art Laffer and his racism. Our economy has been ruined since the 80's with his influence on it starting with Reagan.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
2. Fuck that kook. And in economic circles his theory is just that.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 10:36 PM
Jun 2021

And 40 years of practice have proven it.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
4. Many years ago, I heard it said that, when all was said and done, the goal of
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 10:38 PM
Jun 2021

Republican policies can be boiled down to two words: "cheap labor".

Diamond_Dog

(31,989 posts)
6. Yep
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 10:43 PM
Jun 2021

My sister said the same thing to me when we had this discussion once ..
“Not all jobs are meant to provide a living wage.”

Then they go ballistic over food stamps and Medicaid ....

GoodRaisin

(8,922 posts)
8. That selfish shithead doesn't realize he is making an argument for Universal Basic Income.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 10:46 PM
Jun 2021

His idea, of course, is to let all those people starve to death.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
9. Hey, Laffable, when's the last time you knew squat about minimum wage?
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 10:47 PM
Jun 2021

Last edited Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:06 AM - Edit history (1)

When you were a kid, and, adjusted for inflation, it was still more than today?

You're 80 years old and have done enough damage to the nation. Go fishing or something. Just get off the air and stop pretending you know anything more than Conservatively Correct doctrine.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,500 posts)
11. Oh hey! It's that giggling ass-clown fraud, whose claim to fame is that stupid ass
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 11:00 PM
Jun 2021

dick shaped graph. Which has all but destroyed our economy.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
13. Laffer is worth negative trillions of dollars
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 11:52 PM
Jun 2021

The damage his quack theory has done to the middle class and economic sustainability is incalculable. The nerve he has to be paid much more than lots of hard working people just to spout complete nonsense for a couple of minutes.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
14. People like this need to live on minimum wage
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:35 AM
Jun 2021

for 6 months. Maybe longer.

As someone who spent much of my working life very close to the edge, I am enraged that privileged people think life is so very easy for those of us at the bottom.

Elessar Zappa

(13,975 posts)
24. Then you're no Democrat.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 08:22 AM
Jun 2021

People being able to earn a decent living is a core belief of the Democratic Party.

Ferryboat

(922 posts)
16. Hate to agree with him but,
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:28 AM
Jun 2021

It's hard to argue that most workers deserve $15 minimum wage. Until they demonstrate that they can follow instructions.

Based on my observations in the past alot of workers think they are smarter than their coworkers as they integrate into the group.
Just saying the Peter principle applies to all situations.

Those that are talented enough to stand out will progress while those who do not exhibit leadership and or critical thinking capabilities will languish.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
20. First please explain
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:26 AM
Jun 2021

How a dipstick like Laffer is worth anything at all. Literally anyone can say cut taxes and workers get paid too much. It’s not really a special skill.

Solly Mack

(90,764 posts)
19. Worth? Wow. To reduce the needs of a human to some inhumane arbitrary/racist notion of what some POS
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:07 AM
Jun 2021

thinks people are worth as humans.


the poor, the minorities, the disenfranchised, those with less education, young people who haven't had the job experience...these people aren't worth $15 an hour in most cases


And don't think for a second that the "in most cases" excuses anything.

Poor people not worth it. (Yes, let's attack poor people because no conservative policy ever held anyone down)

Minorities not worth it. (black people, brown people, etc. - racism much?)

The disenfranchised not worth it. (and why are they disenfranchised to begin with? Gee, all that compassionate conservatism no doubt. You think not paying a former inmate a decent wage gets them on the path of staying out of trouble? Do you really think that asshole?)

The less educated? (all those opportunities afforded to people by conservatism?)

Young people not worth it because they lack experience? (Well, conservative-asshole-moron, how do you think they gain experience? And are they supposed to starve because they don't have experience? Not be able to pay rent because they don't have experience? Life ain't "Leave it to Beaver" fuck-wad (and never has been) - not all young people are working for extra cash - they work to help support their families.)

A minimum wage is about the standard of living. Not what assholes decide they think a human is worth. It's about raising people up. It's about treating people as human. Not forcing them to decide between food or shelter or medicine. Not reducing them to groveling - demeaned and insulted - constantly living in fear of losing their job or one of their multiple jobs they have to work just to be in reach of breaking even.

Got news for you assholes - hunger is NOT a motivator. It's a dehumanizing gnawing that literally breaks people. It rips apart families and drives people to desperation. But that's really your goal. Peons struggling, forever living in fear of those with power. A labor force too scared to demand what they deserve as workers, as humans.

A living wage is what is needed. A true wage that allows people to live a life of dignity and opportunity.

What is NOT needed- and they never have been needed or will be needed - are the assholes who have placed themselves above others by declaring they get to decide who is and isn't worth being treated as a human.






sop

(10,167 posts)
29. We need legislation indexing wages to prices.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 08:54 AM
Jun 2021

Every working American should have the fundamental right to the basic necessities if they work full time.

Worshippers at the altar of the unregulated free market believe it's heresy for government to establish a minimum, living wage. At the same time these rapacious crooks think the cost of housing, food, education, gas, transportation and every other basic necessity should be solely determined by market forces.

Then, after their sacrosanct Invisible Hand of the Market is finished picking their workers' pockets, the Masters of the Universe crowd does everything to destroy their right to unionize and bargain collectively for a living wage.

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