Brian Williams on Trump's pants -

[womanofthehills]

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[Ms. Toad]

1. Body shaming is body shaming,

Even if it body shaming via a proxy.

It is disappointing to see it continue to crop up on DU.

[Maraya1969]

5. It was about the pants though. I guess if you are saying that the pants are so big

because he is that is true but there was something really weird about those pants.

[Ms. Toad]

11. That's really all you have seen in the, at least, dozen threads on it in DU

Or in the articles outside of DU?

I've seen:

1. He's wearing a diaper (body shaming/ableism)
2. He wet his pants (body saming/ableism)
3. He pooped his pants (body shaming/ableism)
4. They have an elastic wasitband
5. He put them on backwards (mental ability shaming)

[brush]

40. Why are you defending the very odd and creaseless pants?

They're pretty obviously tailored to accommodate his bulky underwear. trump has cracked on and insulted peoples' look/appearance for years so now the tables have turned on him.

I say have a good laugh at his expense.

[USALiberal]

41. Would you make fun of a Democrat in the same way?

[brush]

46. We're not talking about a Democrat. We're talking about cruel...

insulting a-hole responsible for 500k covid deaths, and no Democrat has done that.

I have absolute no pity on him.

[USALiberal]

48. So making fun of appearance is fine if you don't like somebody?

[brush]

50. Where were you when trump was insulting women, the handicapped...

Hillary, Jeb Bush, Joe Biden, and on and on and on.

Give it a rest. I have no pity on that criminal who incited an attempted coup on our government, and who continues with the big lie that the election was stolen from him.

[USALiberal]

51. So your upset trump made fun of looks....

But you think it’s OK that we do it?

Some brilliant logic right there!!!

[brush]

52. Give it a rest and have laugh on the orange toad for a change.

You're taking this way too seriously. Turn about is fair play. And again, where were you when he was insulting everyone? You sure weren't protesting here then.

Now I'm done with you.

[USALiberal]

53. Lol, great logic! Thanks! Nt

[brush]

57. And your logic is what in defending him?

[Ms. Toad]

58. Becuse, for one thing,

People I love, including a (now adult) foster son who is about to undergo lifethreatening surgery to - if he is lucky - alleviate the need to wear diapers. If he is not lucky, the surgery may kill him.

Do you really not understand that using weight, disabilities, etc. as an insult is only insulting when it reinforces the societal condemnation of people based on weight or disabilities? No one uses a good head or hair, toned body, etc. as an insult.

I am not defending Trump - feel free to insult him for anything other than characteristics that are stereotypically condemned - AND - shared by people on our side of the aisle. I am defending all of the people like my foster son - and likely my daughter (who has the same disease) in a few years.

[brush]

64. Sorry about your relative, but that has nothing to do with...

the most despicable character to soil the nation's politics in our lifetime.

[Cha]

67. Anybody's lifetime I would say.. I missed

the whole "pants" thing.

omg.. i just found this..

Link to tweet

[brush]

76. Hi, Cha. There are other shots that show his whole lower leg...

with ridiculous looking, big looping wrinkles that one never sees on suit pant legs.

[sheshe2]

6. Body shaming

Body shaming from a man that has shamed every woman's body as not good enough.

‘Horseface,’ ‘Lowlife,’ ‘Fat, Ugly’: How the President Demeans Women


President Trump has a history of attacking women by mocking their bodily functions, demeaning their looks or comparing them to animals.

snip

Mr. Trump has accused women of having “fat, ugly” faces and of repelling voters because of their looks. He called one woman a “crazed, crying lowlife” and said another was a “dog” who had the “face of a pig.” He said Hillary Clinton’s bathroom break during a 2015 presidential debate was “too disgusting” to talk about. He has repeatedly mocked women for being overweight.

snip

The president often expresses his ire by comparing women to animals, an effort to dehumanize his opponents that he also uses against men.

After his former aide Omarosa Manigault Newman published her tell-all book, “Unhinged,” Mr. Trump responded by calling her “that dog” and a “crazed, crying lowlife.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/trump-women-insults.htm

Don't even start with me.

[Ms. Toad]

9. I certainly hope that members of DU

don't idolize the abhorrent behavior of trump enough to imitate it.

Body shaming - regardless of whether the target engages in it himself - hurts everyone who sees it who has ever been the victim of it.

[sheshe2]

10. I do not see anyone here 'idolizing' it.

[Ms. Toad]

12. Mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery. n/t

[sheshe2]

14. K

???

Night. Late here.

[Polly Hennessey]

20. His body is a shameful thing to observe.

His speech is awful to listen to. He is an obese person in an ill-fitting suit. That is the truth. Does not mean he is a victim of anything. It means he is a blob in a shiny blue suit.

[USALiberal]

43. So there's overweight Democrats, want to make fun of them to?

[Ms. Toad]

56. And how do you think it makes obese members of DU feel

When you express disgust at someone who is obese?

[Bettie]

59. I'm fat

So, my body is likely "shameful" to you as well.

So, I'm a blob in shorts and a t-shirt this morning? Nothing more. Nothing of value, simply because the size of my body doesn't conform to your aesthetic?

[Ms. Toad]

68. .

Sorry you have to put up with this on a site that purports to care about people. I guess we only care about the "right kind" of people

[Bettie]

71. Thank you.

Living in a fat body, you get used to it and you grow a thick skin.

Body size isn't a measure of worth or virtue. That's the thing I always keep in mind, even if others don't believe it.

Now tailoring and the fabric in those pants? Choices, very bad choices, no matter what the size.

[Ms. Toad]

73. Agreed as to the tailoring -

And had this entire uproar had started with tailoring and fabric choice (rather than weight, diapers, fat, and dementia) my reaction would be very different.

Coming after the fact, as a rationale for bdoy shaming, it rings hollow.

[Bettie]

75. Yes it does

plus body shaming/disability shaming are low hanging fruit.

I'd like to think that we are generally more clever than this.

Or maybe not. Sigh.

[Treefrog]

38. Thank you. I learned in elementary school that saying, "Well, he did it first!" didn't work so well.

A childish excuse that never worked even in the second grade.

I see it here a lot, which is a shame.

[USALiberal]

42. +1000!! Nt

[treestar]

60. I dunno

I have weight issues now. But don't feel any hurt when it's hurled at the Dotard.

Of course when it comes to weight, the body shaming is supposed to be OK because it's all about your health and supposedly all your own fault. There are plenty of wishes on DU that the Dotard continue his terrible eating habits in the hope that it kills him. Not everyone who has weight issues eats poorly (I don't) but with the Dotard is is apparently mostly down to his habits.

[Ms. Toad]

62. And - just like any stigmatized group-

there are some who don't find being used a battering ram offensive.

The fact that not everyone in that group is offended doesn't mean it is OK to use the group as a battering ram.

[treestar]

63. People will do it, whether it is OK or not

is up to society in general. It does not seem that this issue has become so weighted (no pun) that it is unacceptable, even to a board as liberal and PC as DU. At least when hurled at right wing politicians.

The N word and such has become that way. But not fat comments.

[Ms. Toad]

65. So let's let the majority vote on rights for all minority/stigmatized groups -

That is essentially what happens here, and some minority groups are favored more than others.

We should not be endorsing fat shaming, merely because it is tolerated - any more than we should endorse race shaming - should it become tolerated at some point in our future.

[sprinkleeninow]

23. Who was that 'it' directed that comment to: "She was bleeding from her whatever."

[calimary]

26. Sometimes it's just, well, deserved.

[malaise]

35. +1,000

[USALiberal]

55. Lol, " don't even start with me" so you don't like discussing?

[Scrivener7]

33. And pants shaming is pants shaming.

[Cha]

69. Right..

Link to tweet

[Ocelot II]

2. Williams' snark is the best in the business.

[Hoyt]

3. Williams is really good at that stuff.

[UTUSN]

4. I used to call him The Wedding Cake Guy for his conventionally "perfect" appearance,

demeanor, and attire. Didn't take him seriously enough back then because of his chronic appearances on late night talk shows and his saying outright that he really wanted to do late-night-hosting (instead of news?) .

Perhaps he let it go to his head about the combat exaggeration (well, Secretary CLINTON said she dodged bullets), but the big discrediting of him based only on that was (my humble opinion) too much of a come-down. He's smart, smooth, and spot-on.

[aeromanKC]

7. More like Tailor shaming

[RockRaven]

17. Yup. Trump's supposedly very rich & supposedly has very good taste. It's not body shaming to

laugh at how ill-fitting his clothes are in light of those two factors.

Anyone with enough money and sense of taste can look fashionable with any body shape. Dumpy Donald doesn't.

[Layzeebeaver]

27. This

Exactly.

[treestar]

61. Yes, it's not really his weight that is shamed here

but his absurd ideas on how to hide it not being accurate and him yet still thinking he looks like a god. It's about his narcissism.

[Cha]

70. And maybe putting his pants on backwards?

Link to tweet

[treestar]

77. LOL

Who could forget Pence's fly?

[GoodRaisin]

19. Tailors aren't magicians. Hard to fit pants around a body deformed from greed.

[Hekate]

31. President Taft was a "big" man, yet every photo there is shows him nattily attired in a 3-piece....

…suit, every part of it tailored to his figure. He was rumored to weigh in at 350 pounds, yet always looked good.

Trump, otoh, is a slob. And disgusting.

[senseandsensibility]

8. His pants are really weird though.

I think they would earn snarky comments no matter who was wearing them.

[trusty elf]

21. They're the wrong trousers!

[greytdemocrat]

13. Brian Williams

is a lying, Trump hating hypocrite.

Other than that...he's a winner.

[Karma13612]

37. Several years back

Brian Williams exaggerated some stuff, got in trouble, was dumped as NBC Evening News anchor, paid his dues and is on MSNBC where he seems to be doing just fine.

The best thing about that whole mess is that it elevated Lester Holt to the plumb anchor spot. He may never have gotten that chance without Brian’s inadvertent help.

That’s how I recall it played out. Yea, Brian is a bit tarnished in my eyes now but I still am interested in what he has to say when I watch MSNBC.

Not sure what you mean by “Trump hating hypocrite”.

[brewens]

15. I've lost over 140 lbs in three years. I should send the former guy my fat man pants.

[Scrivener7]

34. Bravo!!! What an accomplishment!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

16. LOL

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[OnDoutside]

18. Wow, it's like a skirt in comparison. He could get something in a

Charity shop that would be a better fit. Anyway it couldn't possibly be body shaming when Trump knows no shame.

[Cha]

72. Rt TY! Well put Chris D Jackson!

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[monkeyman1]

22. special made at a tent & awning in palm beach !!!

[secondwind]

24. It's the 3-inch LIFTS that make the pants look this way.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

25. Those lifts and tent-pants cause him to list like a sailboat.

[Sur Zobra]

28. He leaks like an old

sailboat too

[Layzeebeaver]

29. The heavy creases are an indication of the obesity and that he was sitting down for a very long time

His fitness level is non-existent - along with his judgement regarding tailoring.

[brush]

47. Do you know what a crease is? Those aren't creases, they're big...

looping wrinkles where sharp, pressed creases usually are on men's suit pant legs.

[Layzeebeaver]

54. lol. OK wrinkles they are!

They probably match the skin underneath.

Note: It's been years since I've had to have my trousers creased. Sorry for any confusion.

[Cha]

74. lol

[brush]

44. Maybe. Also curiously there's no crease, and then those big,

looping wrinkles on the lower legs. Mens' suit pants usually have sharply pressed creases there.

[orleans]

30. i'm surprised he snarked out the family of four remark

i thought he had more class

in the 60s & 70s the pants were called elephant pants or palazzo pants (they were huge in the leg and even more huge the farther you got toward the ankle and the floor). palazzo may not have had a zipper--just elastic waist.

if trump thought those weird ass flaring extreme bell bottoms (in a suit format) looked good he was wrong

[Hortensis]

32. Williams' humor is bland, good-natured quips, like Johnny Carson or Obama.

Like his calm observation the social media reaction to his pants "makes TV news types seem thoughtful and reflective." No nasty, "snarky" edge.

[brush]

45. Nah, those weren't bell bottoms at all.

[Owl]

36. Excellent!

[Vinca]

39. Now that's funny.

[SKKY]

49. Ok, so, um, yea. Body shaming is body shaming...

...but in this instance I'll let it slide because, screw Trump.

[11 Bravo]

66. Has anyone considered that those pants might actually be skin tight on him?