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diehardblue

(11,136 posts)
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:10 AM Jun 2021

France is sending a second Statue of Liberty to the U

New Yorkers have a surprise gift to look forward to for this Independence Day: a second Statue of Liberty sent by France. This new bronze statue, nicknamed the "little sister," is one-sixteenth the size of the world-famous one that stands on Liberty Island. On Monday, during a special ceremony, the smaller sibling was lifted and loaded into a special container at the National Museum of Arts and Crafts (CNAM) in central Paris, where it has been installed since 2011 in the museum's garden. It will be erected on Ellis Island, just across the water from the original, from July 1 to July 5.

The statue, over 450 kilograms (992 pounds) in weight and just shy of 10 feet tall, was first made in 2009. It is an exact replica of the original 1878 plaster model preserved by CNAM.

"The statue symbolizes freedom and the light around all the world," said Olivier Faron, general administrator of the CNAM. "We want to send a very simple message: Our friendship with the United States is very important, particularly at this moment. We have to conserve and defend our friendship."

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/statue-liberty-france-us-travel-lon-orig-mrg/index.html

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France is sending a second Statue of Liberty to the U (Original Post) diehardblue Jun 2021 OP
Lady Liberty was originally planned for several Mid-East countries, her looks--Average Muslim woman TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #1
Not quite, at least according to Wikipedia TheRickles Jun 2021 #3
Wiki sometimes doesn't deliver. That is why it is not used in a university setting. TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #8
Thanks for these excellent links. TheRickles Jun 2021 #14
What do you wanna' bet..... SergeStorms Jun 2021 #2
I like the way you think! abqtommy Jun 2021 #4
...and LEAVE him there. calimary Jun 2021 #11
Oh yeah, definitely. SergeStorms Jun 2021 #17
Very, very appropriate ... we've lost 84% of our Liberty so 1/16 is just right bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #5
I dont know whether to laugh or cry @yr comment onetexan Jun 2021 #6
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at my math! bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #15
Thanks France. twodogsbarking Jun 2021 #7
Umm, are we going to give them anything? Because this is getting awkward. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #9
They are lending it to us for 10 years FakeNoose Jun 2021 #10
What do you mean? We gave them Disneyland Paris! csziggy Jun 2021 #12
It's actually pretty popular The Revolution Jun 2021 #16
Well, we did liberate them from the Germans twice... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #13

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
1. Lady Liberty was originally planned for several Mid-East countries, her looks--Average Muslim woman
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:18 AM
Jun 2021

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She was not intended to be given to America, but to a Middle Eastern country.

The statue was rejected and found its way to the USA. A re-gift, so to speak.

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TheRickles

(3,536 posts)
3. Not quite, at least according to Wikipedia
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:03 PM
Jun 2021

The original idea was for a statue at Port Said on the Suez Canal, but that never progressed beyond the concept phase. So all the design and planning and construction was geared towards a gift to America, and no other country was involved.

The model for Lady Liberty was at one point thought to be the sculptor's mother(!), but that has not been verified, and he is reported to have gone for a classic (ie, Greek) look. There's no mention of any Muslim influence in the design of this particular statue or as a model for her appearance, at least according to Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
8. Wiki sometimes doesn't deliver. That is why it is not used in a university setting.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:45 PM
Jun 2021

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There are academic journals on this topic, but I no longer have access to JSTOR or the others.

The NPS cites that her looks are said to be of his mother, but that is incorrect, perhaps whitewashing.


https://www.thebattery.org/lady-liberty-10-fascinating-facts/

The original model may have been an Egyptian woman

Many historians say that the Statue of Liberty was modeled after Libertas, the Roman goddess of freedom. However, sculptor Frédéric-Auguste Bartholdi was first inspired by the colossal figures guarding Nubian tombs. He developed a lifelong passion for large-scale public monuments. In his proposal for the Suez Canal, Bartholdi designed a monumental statue of a robe-clad woman representing Egypt to stand at Port Said, at the northern end of the canal. A prototype for the statue was titled “Egypt Carrying the Light to Asia.”



https://www.britannica.com/story/who-was-the-woman-behind-the-statue-of-liberty

Bartholdi’s journey to Egypt was enormously transformative and influential. In 1868 he returned to marvel again at the Colossi, and in 1869 Bartholdi submitted a colossal statuary proposal to the Egyptian khedive, Ismāʿīl Pasha. Bartholdi hoped that the khedive would use his sculpture design to commemorate the completion of the Suez Canal, which had opened that year. As the shortest path between the Mediterranean and Red Seas, the Suez Canal functioned as a literal sea-bridge between Europe and Asia. If selected, Bartholdi hoped that his colossus would be seen as a symbol of cultural progress and understanding.

Bartholdi’s design for the khedive was modeled after a woman fallāḥ, or Egyptian peasant. Unfortunately, very little is known about this fallāḥ besides her socioeconomic status; Bartholdi left no records that indicate any interest in her personal story. Despite this, selecting a woman was no accident. Bartholdi was conscious of a centuries-long European artistic tradition of personifying values, ideas, and even countries in the forms of women. These personifications were venerated and sometimes worshipped, but of particular importance for Bartholdi was that they lived and lingered in the minds of those who viewed their likenesses. This logic is clear in the name, form, and function of Bartholdi’s contest submission. Titled Egypt Carrying the Light to Asia, this colossal woman was to be positioned in the middle of the Suez Canal atop a monumental plinth. Dressed in what Egyptians would have recognized as the clothes of a fallāḥ and immortalized as a monument, she would have been a point of pride for Egyptians of all social classes. She doubled as a lighthouse, holding a torch up high and radiating light from her head. As ships from countless nations passed beneath her, this woman was to be seen as the physical embodiment of Egypt and its progress.

Although Bartholdi’s submission may have impressed the khedive, building the colossus would have been enormously expensive. Egypt was facing financial problems that likely caused the khedive to shift his attention elsewhere, and the project was terminated. But if Bartholdi’s colossal fallāḥ seems recognizable, that is because he was determined to repurpose his scrapped design. Between 1870 and 1871, he began to alter the details of his sketches. The woman’s characteristic Egyptian dress gave way to Greek robes, and light beamed from her torch instead of her head. A diadem would later replace her head covering, while her left hand soon bore a tablet. But like the sketches from 1869, she still held her torch with an upstretched arm, her other limb positioned at her waist. Beneath what would become America’s Liberty Enlightening the World was Egypt’s own colossal fallāḥ, still “carrying the light.”



https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-statue-liberty-design/fact-check-inspiration-behind-original-statue-of-liberty-design-idUSKBN24B2L1

Fact check: Inspiration behind original Statue of Liberty design

By Reuters Staff

6 Min Read
Social media users are circulating posts which claim that New York’s Statue of Liberty was originally modeled after an enslaved Black woman. This primary claim is false. The original model of the statue was inspired by the figure of a female Arab peasant, enlarged to colossal proportions.



https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/statue-liberty-was-originally-muslim-woman-180957377/

The statue’s designer, Frédéric-Auguste Bartholdi, was also French, but he found inspiration in a very different place: Egypt. In 1855, he visited Nubian monuments at Abu Simbel, which feature tombs guarded by gigantic colossus figures. Bartholdi became fascinated by the ancient architecture, developing what the National Park Service calls a “passion for large-scale public monuments and colossal structures.” Eventually, he channeled that passion into a proposal for the inauguration of the Suez Canal.

Bartholdi envisioned a colossal monument featuring a robe-clad woman representing Egypt to stand at Port Said, the city at the northern terminus of the canal in Egypt. To prep for this undertaking, Barry Moreno, author of multiple books about the statue, writes that Bartholdi studied art like the Colossus, honing the concept for a figure called Libertas who would stand at the canal. “Taking the form of a veiled peasant woman,” writes Moreno, “the statue was to stand 86 feet high, and its pedestal was to rise to a height of 48 feet.” Early models of the statue were called “Egypt Carrying the Light to Asia.”

Edward Berenson, author of Statue of Liberty: A Translatlantic Story, writes that Bartholdi’s concept morphed from “a gigantic female fellah, or Arab peasant” into “a colossal goddess.” But Egypt, which had invested enormous amounts of time and money into the landmark canal, was not as eager about Bartholdi’s idea. Isma’il Pasha, the reigning khedive, rejected the plan as too costly.



Conceptually, how would that go over in Egypt to have a French woman grace a statue at the Suez canal?

He also approached a couple of other countries after Egypt turned him down to see if they wold like it, which is mot mentioned in these articles.

When he could not find any country wanting of the statue, it was repurposed.

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TheRickles

(3,536 posts)
14. Thanks for these excellent links.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:31 PM
Jun 2021

I'm not a big fan of Wikipedia for controversial issues (esp. health related), but this seemed like a pretty straightforward topic. Guess not! Would you consider adding an edit to their article? It'd be interesting to see if it got scrubbed.

SergeStorms

(20,822 posts)
2. What do you wanna' bet.....
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:03 PM
Jun 2021

Trump goes to Ellis island and tries to "grab her by the p___y". You know, because he loves America so much. Then, continuing the island tour, maybe they can take him to Rikers island, where he really belongs.

bucolic_frolic

(55,857 posts)
5. Very, very appropriate ... we've lost 84% of our Liberty so 1/16 is just right
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:19 PM
Jun 2021

Think of it as a mini-eclair

bucolic_frolic

(55,857 posts)
15. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at my math!
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:44 PM
Jun 2021

1/16 = about 6%, not 16%. So that should be 94%. 84% would be 16% less - 1/6th.

So yeah, I get it.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
9. Umm, are we going to give them anything? Because this is getting awkward.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:46 PM
Jun 2021

They keep gifting us, and we don't get them anything.

FakeNoose

(42,450 posts)
10. They are lending it to us for 10 years
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:58 PM
Jun 2021

That's what the CNN video says anyway. I sure hope we take care of it while it's here, because the French are expecting to get it back in good shape.

The Revolution

(912 posts)
16. It's actually pretty popular
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 03:39 PM
Jun 2021

I believe it gets more visitors than the Eiffel Tower or The Louvre...at least that is what a tour guide told us in 2019 when we were there.

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