Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kpete

(72,902 posts)
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 03:55 PM Jun 2021

AOC: It's a hustle. We need to move now.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) warns on Twitter:

During the Obama administration, folks thought we’d have a 60 Democrat majority for a while. It lasted 4 months.

Democrats are burning precious time and impact negotiating with the GOP who won’t even vote for a Jan 6 commission. McConnell’s plan is to run out the clock.

It’s a hustle. We need to move now.


?s=20
160 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
AOC: It's a hustle. We need to move now. (Original Post) kpete Jun 2021 OP
Maybe She Could Tweet Some Criticisms Of The Cons Me. Jun 2021 #1
Maybe so, but she is correct in my opinion. tableturner Jun 2021 #2
She's ABSOLUTELY correct. calimary Jun 2021 #4
And how do you propose they do that? Without 100% Dem support of of killing the filibuster Texin Jun 2021 #31
There are some possibilities, depending on how hardball you wanna play. calimary Jun 2021 #55
And that's just one approach. There's also the ol' workaround. calimary Jun 2021 #85
Digitizing bills and the searching killed this plan long ago krawhitham Jun 2021 #91
That's how Bush lost control of the Senate, pressured Jim Jeffords on a vote and he switched parties krawhitham Jun 2021 #87
Point taken. So what else/what more can we do? calimary Jun 2021 #125
Do you really not care about confirming Democratic Judges? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #140
We can be certain the Rs and their handlers are waist deep in this. JudyM Jun 2021 #96
THIS orangecrush Jun 2021 #100
All of the above are really bad ideas and risk losing the ability to confirm judges LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #139
Yes She Is But Do You Think The Dems Don't Already Know This? Me. Jun 2021 #6
So is everyone else that's repeated the same thing for months. Budi Jun 2021 #7
More productive to pressure Dem holdouts wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #13
Or any other time as well, apparantly. Budi Jun 2021 #15
Not true ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #17
Waleed's feed? Why. It says the same thing over & over. Budi Jun 2021 #23
No AOC's feed ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #28
I guess if Waleed writes a thing, it's AOC's fault. Somehow. Mariana Jun 2021 #120
What is amazing to me is ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #123
Who is Waleed? FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #32
LOL. Ask google Budi Jun 2021 #35
I did search for both spellings. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #38
You are implying AOC twitter feed is Waleed's mouth piece? Autumn Jun 2021 #102
What are you talking about? Ted Cruz is her favorite dunking target wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #19
Sure thing. Like every day. Budi Jun 2021 #20
Like it should be wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #24
Really? Tell her & Walleed that. Budi Jun 2021 #25
Anyone that follows them on Twitter or subscribes to their emails can see the same language.... George II Jun 2021 #112
They just love seeing her name Bettie Jun 2021 #65
Of course, but we can't bash fellow Democrats, don'tcha know? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #66
Well, we can bash SOME specific ones Bettie Jun 2021 #68
Though I notice that Katie Porter gets a pass wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #70
Yeah, she does, but Bettie Jun 2021 #71
Ah, forgot about that wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #73
I still think she's tremendous. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #86
. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #90
I would not mess with that trio. Nuh uh. Evolve Dammit Jun 2021 #133
The country elected Democrats to do the things they ran on, not the burn it all downers. onecaliberal Jun 2021 #72
not really qazplm135 Jun 2021 #12
BUT .... PURITY! The Mouth Jun 2021 #21
Sinema bdamomma Jun 2021 #69
K & R Budi Jun 2021 #3
"GOP who won't even vote for a Jan 6 commission" FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #27
Of Course It Isn't Me. Jun 2021 #40
Because Moscow Mitch cares what they think? FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #43
Of Course THey Don't Me. Jun 2021 #45
Maybe, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #48
Post a link to that poll questionseverything Jun 2021 #79
You'd Have To Be Watching MSNBC Me. Jun 2021 #82
That's not how making a claim works. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #126
Hear Hear! TY Me.. I've beyond had it with Cha Jun 2021 #135
Aloha Miss Cha Me. Jun 2021 #136
Here's my Sen Hirono.. Taking to the magats where Cha Jun 2021 #154
This is criticism of the Republicans. iemanja Jun 2021 #37
I lulz'd KG Jun 2021 #41
She did criticize Republicans in this tweet as well as how to respond to their obstructionism. femmedem Jun 2021 #52
Duh she is criticizing the repubs questionseverything Jun 2021 #64
Stop! Me. Jun 2021 #75
You stop questionseverything Jun 2021 #76
And What Me. Jun 2021 #77
Again questionseverything Jun 2021 #78
So Nonsensical Me. Jun 2021 #138
Thank you. It's obvious what the insinuation is. betsuni Jun 2021 #92
These aren't republicans, but the fact that she's a woman of color means that she can.... George II Jun 2021 #157
What do her race and gender have to do with it? George II Jun 2021 #113
That's what I'd like to know. betsuni Jun 2021 #118
I may not agree with you all the time, indeed may not like everything you say, But it is NOT.... George II Jun 2021 #132
Chris Van Hollen said the same thing on CNN yesterday ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #98
What does that mean? No holding feet to the fire because of gender and ethnicity? betsuni Jun 2021 #99
Great Quote Me. Jun 2021 #128
Yeah, preaching to the choir is always a productive use of one's time. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2021 #103
A counter-point to that is, Oneironaut Jun 2021 #153
Nailed It! -NT- ruet Jun 2021 #5
Absolutely!!! Operaweeble Jun 2021 #8
Yep. Business as usual. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2021 #9
Thank you, AOC. That is exactly right! ananda Jun 2021 #10
AOC is correct in this observation. There is NO TIME. Hekate Jun 2021 #11
+1 Jay25 Jun 2021 #22
Biden should have learned about squandering the advantage. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #14
Its all Biden's fault!! Glad he has her to tell him how to run the show! Budi Jun 2021 #16
Who said it's all Biden's fault? FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #26
When has Waleed's scripts NOT said it's all Biden's & DEMOCRATS fault? Budi Jun 2021 #30
I have no idea who Waleed is and seen no scripts FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #34
All I found googling Waleed is that it is an Arabic word meaning newborn or child. Autumn Jun 2021 #61
Same here. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #88
You are right. Someone that lives in their head. Autumn Jun 2021 #101
"Because obviously a strong woman can't say what she thinks without being betsuni Jun 2021 #105
She might live in yours but I haven't thought of our former First Lady for some time Autumn Jun 2021 #106
She's a strong woman who lives in a lot of people's minds as a fictional character. betsuni Jun 2021 #108
Yeah I see that. I don't dwell on the past or on people that have no impact on my life. Autumn Jun 2021 #109
"I don't dwell on the past or on people that have no impact on my life." betsuni Jun 2021 #111
Biden is president and the Dems have control. If Trump and the pukes aren't on the news Autumn Jun 2021 #114
I dwell on the past when it's damaging to the present and future, those who betsuni Jun 2021 #115
Whatever floats your boat betsuni nt Autumn Jun 2021 #116
I don't have a boat, Autumn. betsuni Jun 2021 #117
If you don't understand that idiom just try doing whatever brings you joy. nt Autumn Jun 2021 #119
Oh, now idioms like "the lesser of two evils" have their original meanings. OK. betsuni Jun 2021 #121
You mean a former Senator, Secretary of State, and mcar Jun 2021 #144
Yeah. I adored her as First Lady so to me that's what she will always be. Autumn Jun 2021 #145
Maybe use the titles that she was elected/appointed to mcar Jun 2021 #147
How bout I use the title I want to use and you use the one you want to use. nt Autumn Jun 2021 #148
OK mcar Jun 2021 #149
Waleed Shahid, communications director for the PAC Justice Democrats. betsuni Jun 2021 #93
OK, so? FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #95
You asked who he was and I told you. Communications director for the PAC Justice Democrats. betsuni Jun 2021 #97
Sounds pretty good to me LiberalLovinLug Jun 2021 #130
Well Done Me. Jun 2021 #137
I mass delete all the emails FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #151
"The Democratic establishment is simply unwilling to take action on transformative policies the betsuni Jun 2021 #152
+1 Me. Jun 2021 #155
" Who are all these corrupt corporate Democrats who don't want to do anything for the people?" FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #158
So "all Democrats" really means one guy? betsuni Jun 2021 #159
He's a good example, in the news and ongoing right now. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #160
https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid George II Jun 2021 #142
I went down a few pages, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #150
Check out this guy's tweets, he has the receipts. I won't post any of them here. George II Jun 2021 #156
Yes! DENVERPOPS Jun 2021 #44
THIS. calimary Jun 2021 #57
And how do you suppose Biden can do those three things? mcar Jun 2021 #143
K&R Auggie Jun 2021 #18
I'd like to know how. padah513 Jun 2021 #29
Democrats will do the same old thing, talk smart and fall behind. johnthewoodworker Jun 2021 #33
Well That's Certainly Hopeful Me. Jun 2021 #42
If only we had a reliable majority in the senate ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2021 #36
How much do we have to pay Manchin to vote to get rid of the filibuster? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2021 #39
Yep AOC right Dems have been jerked speaknow Jun 2021 #46
McConnell knows that if he can get Manchin to bail on the Dem party, he takes control again. jmbar2 Jun 2021 #47
HUSTLE is the perfect word! They're gaming us. liberalla Jun 2021 #49
Manchin keeps claiming to be following the will of his constituents Alpeduez21 Jun 2021 #50
time to quit negotiating with them and just move on. we have been AllaN01Bear Jun 2021 #51
+1000000 bdamomma Jun 2021 #74
This is probably the AOC statement that I connect with the most. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #53
Hard to call out republicans BGBD Jun 2021 #54
+1,000,000 murielm99 Jun 2021 #56
I saw a yes vote HR3233 and a not present vote HR3237 ChubbyStar Jun 2021 #63
Present BGBD Jun 2021 #80
So she didn't vote no but you said she did ChubbyStar Jun 2021 #83
Sounds like BGBD Jun 2021 #84
+1 betsuni Jun 2021 #89
Okay AOC, you change Manchin and Sinema's mind.... Jon King Jun 2021 #58
How do you not understand that is exactly what she's attempting to do here? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2021 #104
She's trying to sway them by speaking out on Chris Hayes' show? She can always give them... George II Jun 2021 #129
How do you know that she's not? ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #131
That's ridiculous mcar Jun 2021 #146
She is 100% correct, but what is her solution ? OnDoutside Jun 2021 #59
I think so too. bdamomma Jun 2021 #60
This afternoon she alleged Pres. Biden is playing patty-cake with GOP. LanternWaste Jun 2021 #62
Don't know what time she put that on Facebook, but it's considered off-limits.... George II Jun 2021 #141
💯 budkin Jun 2021 #67
AOC is absolutely correct. hadEnuf Jun 2021 #81
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #94
Couldn't agree more. Joinfortmill Jun 2021 #107
So true! The exact same playbook from the Obama years. Fool me once shame on you .. Mr. Sparkle Jun 2021 #110
I looked around, I didn't see anything she's doing other than tweeting to get us to "move now"..... George II Jun 2021 #122
Yeah you missed it..... BasicallyComplicated Jun 2021 #124
Seems like it. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #127
We were lucky to have just enough.. Maxheader Jun 2021 #134

calimary

(90,021 posts)
4. She's ABSOLUTELY correct.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:09 PM
Jun 2021

They’re doing the same shit they did to President Obama. We CANNOT afford to fall for it again!!!

Go it ALONE, Dems! Get it DONE!!! Without them!

They’re just in the way. DO NOT waste another second on them!

FUCK ‘em.

Texin

(2,851 posts)
31. And how do you propose they do that? Without 100% Dem support of of killing the filibuster
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:00 PM
Jun 2021

they can't accomplish those goals. It's not clear they have 100% of the Democratic senate to do it.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
55. There are some possibilities, depending on how hardball you wanna play.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:23 PM
Jun 2021

What does HE want for his state in particular?

Anything really focused on some part of his state? Something he wants BADLY? WHATEVER IT IS, hold it hostage if he won’t give on S1.

Identify the carrots AND the sticks. And work both like there’s no tomorrow.

Also maybe something in oppositional research might be useful to convince him that he better rethink his opposition. Anything in his background - OR involving a friend or family member - that he’d rather keep a lid on? This is unfortunately not the time to go easy OR be nice OR pull punches.

What can we use? BOTH in a positive AND a negative way? Now is NOT the time for business as usual. Mainly because we do not have the time, PERIOD.

Does he have a favorite celebrity? Somebody his kid would be dying to meet and get a photo with, or hang out with? Maybe get a small walk-on part on a BIGTIME favorite TV show - or movie???

Lots of push-and-pull ideas that should be examined and potentially made use of.

Know the enemy. Get inside his head and find where the buttons are that we can - and should start pushing. Sweeten things for a yes, and present quite the opposite for a no.

AND start looking for an ace in the back pocket. Who do we know among West Virginia Dems who might make an appealing replacement?

And there’s also the funding thing. How can we work THAT to our advantage? S-1 for the GREATER GOOD.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
85. And that's just one approach. There's also the ol' workaround.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 10:24 PM
Jun 2021

How to cut Joe Manchin down to size? Go around him and over his head.

Get statehood for Washington DC! Maybe also for Puerto Rico. They’ve proven their worth and they’ve certainly waited long enough.

Sneak it into some minor bill the GOP really wants, if you have to. Buried down in the lower middle of the text, and all the quibbling is over, and preferably as close as possible to the last minute.

WHATEVER MIGHT WORK.

BY HOOK OR BY CROOK.

krawhitham

(5,072 posts)
91. Digitizing bills and the searching killed this plan long ago
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:41 PM
Jun 2021

Any bill that we can pass with without the filibuster has to initiate in the House, because all budget bills must start in the House for some reason.

The house will send the bill to the senate in paper and digital form

Members have staffers search the PDFs for key words

If the Senate change anything or add anything, it will be put in digital form for [link:the https://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/conference_committee.htm|conference committee]


Adding a state to the union would have a lot of key words that would hit





krawhitham

(5,072 posts)
87. That's how Bush lost control of the Senate, pressured Jim Jeffords on a vote and he switched parties
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:28 PM
Jun 2021

calimary

(90,021 posts)
125. Point taken. So what else/what more can we do?
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 11:48 AM
Jun 2021

Time to put on the ol’ thinking cap and generate even more ideas.

Much better to ask “well, what CAN we do about it?” and start figuring out some strategies and approaches that might be workable.

Or I guess we could just sit on the sidelines and wring our hands and bemoan how bad Problem X, Y, or Z is…

I always find myself wondering what I could have done or might have done or done better about some problem that came up - especially if I blew an opportunity to maybe, just maybe make (or help toward) a positive change.

It’s that old saw about one little candle or cursing the darkness.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
6. Yes She Is But Do You Think The Dems Don't Already Know This?
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:12 PM
Jun 2021

If I had a guess I'd say it's why PJB has cut off talks with Capito

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
7. So is everyone else that's repeated the same thing for months.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:13 PM
Jun 2021

Well, except for the DEMOCRATS swipe.

Expected & predictable.

Nothing new or profound as usual, in that pre-script.

Chirps on the Repukes & the burn-it-all-downers that threw us into this shitshow.

Just:
Biden
Democrats
Harris
....etc

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
13. More productive to pressure Dem holdouts
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:37 PM
Jun 2021

than to dunk on brainless trumpanzees at this point.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
23. Waleed's feed? Why. It says the same thing over & over.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:50 PM
Jun 2021

Biden
Harris
DEMOCRATS

Biden
Harris
DEMOCRATS

Biden
Harris
DEMOCRATS

Walleed's been repeating that DEMOCRATS script since 2016


Mariana

(15,626 posts)
120. I guess if Waleed writes a thing, it's AOC's fault. Somehow.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jun 2021

Whoever the hell Waleed is.

There's some really weird shit going on in this thread.

 

ChrisF1961

(457 posts)
123. What is amazing to me is
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jun 2021

that Chris Van Hollen said almost the exact same thing on CNN yesterday, yet there isn't a single negative comment criticizing him for it on that thread: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215512654

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
19. What are you talking about? Ted Cruz is her favorite dunking target
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:46 PM
Jun 2021

In any case, it's stupid to focus too much attention on the goops because they are incapable of shame. We're better off convincing certain democrats to stop obstructing Biden.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
20. Sure thing. Like every day.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:47 PM
Jun 2021

Biden
Harris
DEMOCRATS

Biden
Harris
DEMOCRATS

Biden
Harris
DEMOCRATS

We get it 🙄


George II

(67,782 posts)
112. Anyone that follows them on Twitter or subscribes to their emails can see the same language....
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:35 AM
Jun 2021

...in each of them.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
65. They just love seeing her name
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:21 PM
Jun 2021

in a thread title, then they know that they can bash her till the cows come home...no one will stop them and they get to high five each other about how they burned her good...

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
68. Well, we can bash SOME specific ones
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:40 PM
Jun 2021

strangely enough, the ones that are fair game are young, female, and progressive. Weird, right?

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
71. Yeah, she does, but
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:43 PM
Jun 2021

recently, she endorsed someone for a primary and now she's dead to a bunch of people. DEAD!

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
72. The country elected Democrats to do the things they ran on, not the burn it all downers.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:45 PM
Jun 2021

Me.

(35,454 posts)
40. Of Course It Isn't
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:06 PM
Jun 2021

but do you think the Dems don't know that, ask Nancy Pelosi for starters. Far too much of this aimed at the Dems these days not just by her but also by those so called smarty strategists. What they should be doing is rolling up their sleeves and going after the 'enemy' with a vengeance.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
43. Because Moscow Mitch cares what they think?
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:09 PM
Jun 2021

Our criticism of republiqons is plentiful, and falls on deaf ears. They don't give a shit what we, or anyone really, thinks or says.

And yes, elected Democrats should know that. That's why so many are thinking 'what the hell are you waiting for? we've seen this over and over'. If they know it, why not act like it?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
45. Of Course THey Don't
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:16 PM
Jun 2021

but guess what...according to recent polls the American public does and all this criticism is discouraging in a 'why should I bother' way.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
48. Maybe,
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:21 PM
Jun 2021

but it's nowhere near as discouraging as the inaction (perceived or otherwise) that leads to the criticism and the 'why bother' feeling.

No one could say "Democrats did nothing but COVID" if it were clearly a brazen lie. Posters here are aware of what is going on. Most of the public pays little or no attention . That's why that kind of lie can work. And it's why Moscow Mitch blocks everything. Democratic policies are good for the average person instead of corporations and the rich. So he has to keep blocking everything. And a lot of people will fall for the lie, because they don't know the reason so many things didn't get done was that republiqons stopped it, not that Democrats didn't try.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
135. Hear Hear! TY Me.. I've beyond had it with
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 03:25 PM
Jun 2021

the Bashing of the Dems doing their jobs except for a notable few.

Stop the Damn Broadbrushing!

femmedem

(8,561 posts)
52. She did criticize Republicans in this tweet as well as how to respond to their obstructionism.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:00 PM
Jun 2021

She is talking primarily to Democrats, though, as they are the people she has a chance of influencing.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
75. Stop!
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 09:33 PM
Jun 2021

What is the reason you introduced "woman of color" into the conversation when it has nothing to do with it? Or is it du riguer that we must see her as perfect and agree with everything she says?

questionseverything

(11,840 posts)
76. You stop
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 09:37 PM
Jun 2021

Aoc is bashing repubs

You are bashing a young democratic representative who happens to be a woman of color

Me.

(35,454 posts)
77. And What
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 09:39 PM
Jun 2021

does her color have to do with this conversation. THat's twice now you've made this point. So if you have something to say. say it plain.

And I suggest you take a look at post #62.

questionseverything

(11,840 posts)
78. Again
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 09:45 PM
Jun 2021

Aoc is bashing repubs

Why does that bother you so much you had to be the first response

And why did you use that response to bash her?

George II

(67,782 posts)
157. These aren't republicans, but the fact that she's a woman of color means that she can....
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jun 2021

....say anything she wants without criticism?



George II

(67,782 posts)
132. I may not agree with you all the time, indeed may not like everything you say, But it is NOT....
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:51 PM
Jun 2021

....because you're a woman. It's because I simply don't agree.

 

ChrisF1961

(457 posts)
98. Chris Van Hollen said the same thing on CNN yesterday
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 05:57 AM
Jun 2021

It’s interesting that no one criticized him for it the same way they have AOC. But he’s a white man, not a woman of color, so I guess he is allowed to speak.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
99. What does that mean? No holding feet to the fire because of gender and ethnicity?
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 07:12 AM
Jun 2021

Bernie Sanders would not approve:

"We have got to look at candidates, you know, not by the color of their skin, not by their sexual orientation or their gender and not by their age. I mean, I think we have got to try to move toward a non discriminating society which looks at people based on their abilities, based on what they stand for."

Oneironaut

(6,300 posts)
153. A counter-point to that is,
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 11:55 PM
Jun 2021

Republicans in Congress are soulless, and criticizing them is pointless. They don't care.

Operaweeble

(46 posts)
8. Absolutely!!!
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:23 PM
Jun 2021

BUT..... unless the Democrats get their asses in gear, knock some sense into the two DINO's, and go MTG nasty, we won't get one more damn thing done.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,990 posts)
9. Yep. Business as usual.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:23 PM
Jun 2021

That’s the way it always goes. If we lose, we lose. If we win, we lose.

I’m so tired of all of this.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Biden should have learned about squandering the advantage.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:39 PM
Jun 2021

Step 1: reign in Manchin. Use threats, bribes, mass organizing, whatever it takes.
Step 2: kill the filibuster.
Step 3: Give the finger to McConnell and get shit done.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
61. All I found googling Waleed is that it is an Arabic word meaning newborn or child.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:09 PM
Jun 2021

Unless it's the name of some not well known person.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
88. Same here.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:28 PM
Jun 2021

And anyone could already correctly assume it's an Arabic male name.

Apparently, it's an Arabic-named male who lives comfortably in the head of that poster. The rest of us are just supposed to magically know who it is.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
101. You are right. Someone that lives in their head.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 08:37 AM
Jun 2021
Some people are implying that AOC tweets what Waleed tells her to do. So her twitter feed is his. Because obviously a strong woman can't say what she thinks without being someones puppet.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
105. "Because obviously a strong woman can't say what she thinks without being
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:08 AM
Jun 2021

someone's puppet."



Hillary Clinton: Wall Street corporatist Satan warmonger "Clinton Machine" corrupt puppet of the donor class, lobbyists, special interests, PACS, etc. That fictional character that lives in some people's heads. And Obama and Biden fictional centrists that lives in some people's heads.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
106. She might live in yours but I haven't thought of our former First Lady for some time
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:12 AM
Jun 2021

until you brought her up.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
108. She's a strong woman who lives in a lot of people's minds as a fictional character.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:24 AM
Jun 2021

A strong woman who cares more about Democratic values and a Democratic president's agenda than those obsessed with a "pooly" thought out movement about slogans.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
109. Yeah I see that. I don't dwell on the past or on people that have no impact on my life.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:31 AM
Jun 2021

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
111. "I don't dwell on the past or on people that have no impact on my life."
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:34 AM
Jun 2021

Like Trump and Republicans! No impact at all! Lesser of two evils! Vote one's conscience!

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
114. Biden is president and the Dems have control. If Trump and the pukes aren't on the news
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jun 2021

they aren't in my thoughts. YMMV. Here. let me give you an example betsuni

dwell on/upon phrasal verb

dwelled on/upon or dwelt on/upon; dwelling on/upon; dwells on/upon

Definition of dwell on/upon

to think or talk about (something) for a long time
There is no need to dwell on the past.
Don't dwell upon your mistakes.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dwell%20on%2Fupon

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
115. I dwell on the past when it's damaging to the present and future, those who
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:56 AM
Jun 2021

lie about Democrats and blame them for what Republicans do, want to discourage people from voting by telling them both sides are the same and corrupt. YMMV.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
117. I don't have a boat, Autumn.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:59 AM
Jun 2021

I didn't write a best-selling book so I'm not a millionaire.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
121. Oh, now idioms like "the lesser of two evils" have their original meanings. OK.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jun 2021

No more black or white literal thinking, good!

mcar

(46,058 posts)
144. You mean a former Senator, Secretary of State, and
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 07:25 PM
Jun 2021

Democratic nominee for president, right?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
145. Yeah. I adored her as First Lady so to me that's what she will always be.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 07:27 PM
Jun 2021

Do we have to use ALL her titles?

mcar

(46,058 posts)
147. Maybe use the titles that she was elected/appointed to
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 07:31 PM
Jun 2021

rather than as someone's spouse. I loved her as First Lady too, but she had an amazing career after that. One doesn't usually tag someone with a title they married into when they've had their own impressive titles after that.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
148. How bout I use the title I want to use and you use the one you want to use. nt
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 07:33 PM
Jun 2021

Last edited Thu Jun 10, 2021, 08:10 PM - Edit history (1)

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
97. You asked who he was and I told you. Communications director for the PAC Justice Democrats.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:12 AM
Jun 2021

Writes fundraising emails using the same words all the time. A script. Their supporters like it:

Their big enemy are corrupt "corporate Democrats" (who will stop at nothing to prevent progress because they're complicit with and paid off by corporations, billionaires, special interests, lobbyists, corporate PACS, Wall Street, Big Pharma, the oil and gas industries, the ruling class, the donor class, the 1% -- the list is really endless). Naturally there's no evidence of this supposed corruption. Democrats are also called the liberal elite, coastal elites, wealthy elites, any flavor of elite. They only pretend to want progressive legislation but are same as Republicans (Republicans rarely make an appearance in the emails, they are irrelevant).

Democratic Establishment (the word "progressive" means anti-establishment with Democrats being the establishment they are fighting against, "taking on" and so forth because the establishment will stop at nothing to prevent Justice Democrats' success). Any Democratic organization like the DNC or DCC (Third Way, it goes without saying) are enemies who will stop at nothing to prevent, etc.

The goal is to transform the Democratic Party, purge it of corporate Democrats and the Democratic Establishment, elect Justice Democrats (the movement, revolution). Transformative policies. FDR transformative. Transform is an important word.

Status quo. Neoliberals.

Working class. Progressive are the only ones fighting for the working class. Working class, working class, working class. These are really the most important words.

Grassroots.

Justice.

Solidarity.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,689 posts)
130. Sounds pretty good to me
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:47 PM
Jun 2021

Transformative

Working Class

Grassroots

Justice

Solidarity


If there is no undue corporate lobbyist influence within the Democratic party, even with those that have been there for decades already, then what is the harm of denouncing that undue influence on Washington in general, including for Republicans? Folks that are against that undue influence, are not against the Democratic party, they are against the unfair quid pro quo system that has existed for many decades. It is non-partisan. And to be fair, does not exist exclusively in the USA.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
151. I mass delete all the emails
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:50 PM
Jun 2021

from pretty much all of them. They're all fundraisers and I can't afford to send money every time I get one. And whatever group sends out the hysterical hair-on-fire "msnbc DESTROYED!!!!!!!" "rachel maddow GOING DOWN!!!!!!" type email completely turned me off of ever reading them.

I'm sure they're repetitive. Another poster put up a twitter from your favorite comm director, and I don't see anything wrong with it. How far back do I need to look at it to find something you think is bad? I'm not on the twitter or the facebook things, so they do not get to live rent-free in my head. Just sayin'.

I agree completely with the other post answering you. Corporations and billionaires own the corrupt Republican party lock stock and barrel. They hedge their bets by bribing, uh I mean "donating to", Democrats as well. Do you want to see the Democratic Party become totally beholden to them the way republicons are? I don't. That's the direction of "third way" or corporatist Democrats. Go ahead and deride that all you want, it won't change the underlying truth. I'll always support Democrats, liberals, and liberal Democrats who are on the side of people who work for a living. Why the hell would anyone do otherwise???

And finally, regarding the bleating about not bashing republicons enough - obviously you aren't paying attention. They do call out and condemn republicons sufficiently. After all, we already KNOW republicons are the enemy. It doesn't need to be said every time someone opens their mouth. Do we need to be told the sun rises in the east, or that bears shit in the woods every time someone sends an email or types a twit? NO!!!!!!! We don't. We know that.

What we do need to be reminded of is the insidious attempts to control OUR side. Anyone who doesn't like that, should maybe be doing some serious self-examination to determine why.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
152. "The Democratic establishment is simply unwilling to take action on transformative policies the
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 11:48 PM
Jun 2021

working people of this country need. They're unwilling to take on the fight because so many politicians take money from the corporate PACs and Wall Street CEOs that benefit from inaction."

"Nancy Pellosi's campaign and PAC donated more than 3 million dollars to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCC) this year ... to protect corporate-backed incumbents ... .The Democratic establishment sometimes seems like one big bucket of Wall Street and corporate PAC money, all going toward protecting the broken status quo."

Who are all these corrupt corporate Democrats who don't want to do anything for the people? Where is the proof that Democrats "take" money and then refuse to do anything progressive? They should give examples if they know who all these corrupt Democrats are. Or is it a faith-based thing like religion. Is Joe Biden corrupt? Kamala Harris? Bernie Sanders? Nancy Pelosi? They're the establishment. They've been bribed to stop progress? Since when have Democrats had large majorities in Congress to pass their policies easily?

The audience for the Justice Democrats' message have to be woefully ignorant of how government works and history. They fall for conspiracy theories about everyone being bribed and immoral, rigging, plotting, enemies everywhere. Then are asked to donate money, of course. Small amounts, please, because that's "grassroots." Anything larger is a bribe. All it does is encourage hate for the Democratic Party and that helps Republicans. Enough is enough.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
158. " Who are all these corrupt corporate Democrats who don't want to do anything for the people?"
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:06 PM
Jun 2021

The people of WV by huge margins support 3 key parts of Biden's agenda. The Koch Empire opposes them. Their Democratic Senator previously was on board for the voting reform, now he's not and he's given no coherent reason for his obstruction.

You do the math.

I see nothing wrong with those quotes. If Democrats are influenced by money, the problem is NOT that they are being called out, the problem is the money in the first place. If you don't understand that, there is nothing more to be said. It's getting like arguing with a MAGAt down at the Y. Facts seem not to matter.

Bottom line is, I don't want corporate or billionaire-funded Democrats. THis country already suffers for having a political party owned by them, we can't afford for them to control both parties. I can't imagine why anyone would want that.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
159. So "all Democrats" really means one guy?
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:17 PM
Jun 2021

Every politician uses money. You don the math.

And, of course, there's the personal insult instead of proof of anything. I'm like a MAGA?

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
160. He's a good example, in the news and ongoing right now.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jun 2021

And that's why I support public-financed elections. Eliminate the money. I'd also like to see campaign "season" shortened to a few weeks. They should be spending their time on the job, instead of fundraising for the next election.

Probably won't happen, but I'm sure not gonna be a cheerleader for the current crappy system we have.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
150. I went down a few pages,
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:27 PM
Jun 2021

What's wrong with it? What I saw in that part was perfectly fine.

George II

(67,782 posts)
156. Check out this guy's tweets, he has the receipts. I won't post any of them here.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jun 2021

@JusticeDemWatch

padah513

(2,710 posts)
29. I'd like to know how.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 04:59 PM
Jun 2021

How do we get it done when Manchin won't budge unless he's convinced that all avenues to reach out to the repubs are exhausted, and he still won't budge.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,681 posts)
36. If only we had a reliable majority in the senate ...
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:03 PM
Jun 2021

... and not a Neville Chamberlain or Vidkun Quisling

39. How much do we have to pay Manchin to vote to get rid of the filibuster?
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:05 PM
Jun 2021

Clearly, it will have to be more than he's getting (or will get once he leaves office) from the GQP or its masters for his recalcitrance.

speaknow

(321 posts)
46. Yep AOC right Dems have been jerked
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:17 PM
Jun 2021

around. Know what Turtle Face can do
with his clock, stick it where the sun don't
shine!

jmbar2

(7,989 posts)
47. McConnell knows that if he can get Manchin to bail on the Dem party, he takes control again.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:18 PM
Jun 2021

The more Manchin gets isolated, the closer he gets pushed to bail. You can bet that the Dems are gaming this out, but it's a tough spot to be in.

If he bails, we lose the Senate majority. Then we are ill-situated in case of a Supreme Court vacancy, among other things.

Alpeduez21

(2,054 posts)
50. Manchin keeps claiming to be following the will of his constituents
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:43 PM
Jun 2021

What he fails to understand is polling of West Virginia citizenry shows they highly favor everything he says he is against. They want the infrastructure passed. They want the voting rights act past.

AllaN01Bear

(29,497 posts)
51. time to quit negotiating with them and just move on. we have been
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:44 PM
Jun 2021

negotiating with them for 30 years or more and lost a lot . time to cut them loose .

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
53. This is probably the AOC statement that I connect with the most.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:17 PM
Jun 2021

She has it exactly right. There's no Miss Congeniality trophy at this pageant.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
54. Hard to call out republicans
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:20 PM
Jun 2021

For not voting for a 1/6 commission that she voted no on.

Or at least the actual capitol security bill.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
63. I saw a yes vote HR3233 and a not present vote HR3237
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:15 PM
Jun 2021

What bill did she vote no on? Thanks.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
80. Present
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 09:53 PM
Jun 2021

Is as good as no.

It passed by one vote and she didn't add hers to it.

How do you call out Repiblicans who won't pass a commission ok 1/6 when you won't vote to fund better security to keep it from happening again?

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
83. So she didn't vote no but you said she did
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 10:10 PM
Jun 2021

In your mind not voting is a no but that is not accurate. Tells me all I need to know. Goodbye.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
84. Sounds like
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 10:23 PM
Jun 2021

You just want to split hairs. She didn't vote yes and eas going to vote no until some measure of sense was talked into her.

Again, if you can't support a bill to improve capitol security, including the police who were getting the shit kicked out of them, then how can you criticize anyone for votes on 1/6?

She might shoupd think about that anti police hardliners stance considering some of those people literally gave their lives to keep her from getting killed.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
58. Okay AOC, you change Manchin and Sinema's mind....
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:44 PM
Jun 2021

If she can change Manchin's mind, she should do it already. There is literally nothing any Dem can do without Manchin and Sinema agreeing to a changing of the filibuster.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
104. How do you not understand that is exactly what she's attempting to do here?
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 08:54 AM
Jun 2021

She's trying to sway them with the only real leverage she has: public opinion.

George II

(67,782 posts)
129. She's trying to sway them by speaking out on Chris Hayes' show? She can always give them...
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:40 PM
Jun 2021

...a call, walk across the hallway and actually speak to them.

After all, they work in the same building every day.

 

ChrisF1961

(457 posts)
131. How do you know that she's not?
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:48 PM
Jun 2021

Plus Chris Van Hollen said almost the same thing on CNN. Yet there is not a single negative comment on that thread criticizing him for it. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215512654

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
60. I think so too.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:52 PM
Jun 2021

we need to ditch the "bipartisanship" crap. Repigs are not interested. Also the infrastructure bill has moved on to another "moderate" Dems. Watering things down then the repigs will vote against, isn't this what they do? I hate those repigs.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
62. This afternoon she alleged Pres. Biden is playing patty-cake with GOP.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:11 PM
Jun 2021

I'm guessing she has some long-play going on here that will supersede this, like Midway Island indicating they're low on fresh water. I hope so.

"President Biden and Senate Dems should take a step back and ask themselves if playing patty-cake w GOP Senators is really worth..."

https://www.facebook.com/OcasioCortez/

George II

(67,782 posts)
141. Don't know what time she put that on Facebook, but it's considered off-limits....
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 04:51 PM
Jun 2021

....to criticize the President when he's out of the country.

I guess even that doesn't matter anymore.

hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
81. AOC is absolutely correct.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jun 2021

We really aren't going to play the Charlie Brown / Lucy and the football game again, are we?

If we haven't learned what the GOP is all about by now we never will.

Mr. Sparkle

(3,711 posts)
110. So true! The exact same playbook from the Obama years. Fool me once shame on you ..
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:34 AM
Jun 2021

fool me, cant get fooled again

George II

(67,782 posts)
122. I looked around, I didn't see anything she's doing other than tweeting to get us to "move now".....
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jun 2021

Did I miss it?

Maxheader

(4,419 posts)
134. We were lucky to have just enough..
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 02:15 PM
Jun 2021

Lib votes to get obama care passed...and then it was teaparty time...
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»AOC: It's a hustle. We ne...