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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:15 AM Jun 2021

Is nothing "illegal" anymore?

The latest charge against the Trump Administration seems like a gigantic abuse of power? I guess it's too late to impeach him again? Can he be sued? Can AG Barr be held accountable?

It sounds "illegal" but we are told it may be immoral or unethical but there is no criminal penalty? Why is that?

It reminds us of the obvious breaking of the emoluments clause by doing business out of the White House. But it's not "illegal". It's required by the Constitution but it's not "illegal".

Or when he called the president of Ukraine to extort him into planting false stories about Joe Biden, the opponent he was most afraid of in the next election. But that wasn't "illegal". He could not even be convicted in an impeachment trial.

Or when he defended the Prince in Saudi Arabia after he had a Washington Post reporter murdered. We knew he didn't like Jeff Bezos but to assist in the murder of someone close to Bezos seems a tad over the top. But nothing "illegal".

His last act before grudgingly departing the White House was to incite an insurrection at our Capitol and attempt to overturn an election. But, as we all know, there was nothing "illegal".

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Is nothing "illegal" anymore? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2021 OP
Just... JoeOtterbein Jun 2021 #1
I should think this would do it Deuxcents Jun 2021 #2
Funny, same was said about Iran Contra, Iraq "War" and now * and his coterie Hestia Jun 2021 #12
"Is nothing illegal anymore?" Wednesdays Jun 2021 #3
Seems like if you're wealthy with connections... Blue Owl Jun 2021 #4
Apparently, not. Hugin Jun 2021 #5
trump already has people squealing on him !! he's sweating big dog ! monkeyman1 Jun 2021 #6
Not if you're a Republican. If you're a Democrat, esp a non-white or non-male Democrat... CousinIT Jun 2021 #7
I don't think there is any shame in anything Raine Jun 2021 #8
Indictments CloudWatcher Jun 2021 #9
I assume that the question is rhetorical Sherman A1 Jun 2021 #10
Nothing is illegal if you are a Republican President. tetedur Jun 2021 #11
You are 100% correct until some one proves it wrong Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #18
Dangerous times for democracy... Fyrefox Jun 2021 #13
Only for the "little people" scarletlib Jun 2021 #14
Apparently not Bettie Jun 2021 #15
Sure looks that way malaise Jun 2021 #16
It is still illegal, and can get you jail time, Chainfire Jun 2021 #17

Deuxcents

(15,777 posts)
2. I should think this would do it
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:22 AM
Jun 2021

If there’s silence n no getting to the bottom of this NOW, I hate to think how far we’ve fallen into an abyss without democracy. Time for some serious consequences for the offenders.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
12. Funny, same was said about Iran Contra, Iraq "War" and now * and his coterie
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 07:23 AM
Jun 2021

Democrats let them off every time in the name of "unity."

It's why the GQP has no shame or fear of getting caught, along with their financiers. Why would they? No one holds them accountable and it's all swept under the carpet until the next "scandal."

Wednesdays

(17,248 posts)
3. "Is nothing illegal anymore?"
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:27 AM
Jun 2021

Go to the nearest 7-Eleven, and try to steal a beer or a sandwich. You'll have your answer in less than 5 minutes.

Especially if you're a person of color.

Blue Owl

(49,918 posts)
4. Seems like if you're wealthy with connections...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:46 AM
Jun 2021

You don't have to pay taxes or be held accountable to following law and order...

CousinIT

(9,151 posts)
7. Not if you're a Republican. If you're a Democrat, esp a non-white or non-male Democrat...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:38 AM
Jun 2021

..EVERYTHING is illegal.

It's a massive level of privilege Republicans enjoy. And we let 'em.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
8. I don't think there is any shame in anything
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:40 AM
Jun 2021

anymore either ... pervert, sexual harasser, child molester etc disappear for a short while then get your job back.

CloudWatcher

(1,831 posts)
9. Indictments
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:57 AM
Jun 2021

Fool that I am, I was expecting multiple indictments within a few weeks of Trump leaving office. I still cannot grasp why this has yet to happen.

tetedur

(815 posts)
11. Nothing is illegal if you are a Republican President.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 07:22 AM
Jun 2021

Well, it may be illegal but you will get away with it if you are a Republican.
Did Nixon answer for his crimes? No, he resigned but he didn't have to answer for them.
Did Reagan answer for his crimes? No, he was never held accountable.
Was George W. Bush ever held accountable for lying to send the country to war in Iraq and then torturing people when we got there?

Trump will never be held accountable. There are two justice systems in this country. If you are a Republican president you are above the law.

Fyrefox

(300 posts)
13. Dangerous times for democracy...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 08:04 AM
Jun 2021

Even while a candidate, Trump set the bar exceedingly low. Had any democratic candidate been even suspected of paying women for sex or their silence, it would have been the end of their political career. When he was taped bragging about what he could do to women as a celebrity, I thought it was the end for him. His followers either didn’t believe it or didn’t care.

If there is no accountability for Trump or his obedient sycophants for crimes they committed while in office, anything goes for the future, including most likely our democracy.

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
15. Apparently not
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 08:23 AM
Jun 2021

well, not if you are a Republican. You can do anything and no one will stop you.

Our DOJ seems uninterested in pursuing anything, well, anything except defending the former guy.

I'll believe otherwise when there is even a tiny bit of pushback on TFG. So far, just defense of him and his accomplices.

Oh, and for those who say "be patient". I used to believe in law and order, that the 'arc of the universe...justice' concept.

But, it appears that justice will never come for these assholes. Frankly, I wish I believed in a god so I could be comforted by the idea of them roasting in hell later on, because that is the only justice we're ever likely to see.

As someone who isn't filthy rich, I wonder what it's like to have no consequences for anything you do.

Chainfire

(17,308 posts)
17. It is still illegal, and can get you jail time,
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:04 AM
Jun 2021

If you shoplift a can of beans from Wal-Mart.

Apparently giant crimes are to big to prosecute, the actors too big to fail and too big to jail.

We are now seeing why Trump fought so hard against being ousted from the White House. He had nothing to lose by inciting an insurrection. The lights are now on in Trump's kitchen and the bugs are visible.

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