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Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:25 PM

IF you had to pick between the two, which would it be?

Yes, nothing should stop us from doing both. But I'd like to see what people think is the higher priority. I think there are strong arguments for both and kind of surprise myself in my conclusion.

Really thinking about this, I'm beginning to realize that one of these issues bothers me quite a bit more than the other, and one may even be standing in place of the other in people's minds.

48 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
Securing the right to vote for everyone nationally
45 (94%)
Prosecuting Trump for his crimes in the White House
3 (6%)
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Response to KentuckyStiffRipple (Original post)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:32 PM

1. The right to vote is fundamental AND paramount!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:40 PM

3. Absolutely agreed.

But what is the impact of not prosecuting Trump- for his role in the insurrection and attempting to overthrow the government that was elected with our votes, in particular- on that fundamental aspect of our democracy?

Are we confusing our feelings about how Trump attacked and tried to undermine our democracy- and our faith in our democracy- and made a mockery of our government for four years with our feelings about these state law changes?

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Response to KentuckyStiffRipple (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:44 PM

4. I just think that when given a choice about what to choose

Itís important to choose for whatís best because the other choice is about what you want. Itís really not that hard to tell the difference. Wisdom comes into play, as does doing the right thing.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:52 PM

9. These state laws make it more difficult, though not impossible, to vote in most cases.

And they're effective in disenfranchising a small percentage of people who would have otherwise voted. They're an attempt to chisel away voting rights. Awful and anti-American, but...

...when Trump fomented an insurrection, he tried to throw out ALL of our votes and make the decision regarding our governance himself. I wonder if it's not that that is bothering people more than the state laws.

Are we not worried that failing to hold Trump accountable for what he did would demonstrate a fundamental impotence and apathy in our democracy? It would mean that our democracy is incapable of defending itself as an institution, or doesn't truly BELIEVE in its own legitimacy. How is it not 100 times worse if we can't enforce the idea of election legitimacy at ALL?

Wouldn't that expose a much larger vulnerability and discomfort in our democracy, to not respond appropriately to a brazen act of treason attacking the very idea of government of, by and for the people?

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Response to KentuckyStiffRipple (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:54 PM

10. Yup, we are sitting on the horns of a dilemma right now

What to do? I just hope weíre able to sort this out to a conclusion that is best for everyone.

But letís not discount the effects of a karmic adjustment for Trump!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:47 PM

6. +1 I think the prosecutions will only happen if we protect the vote.

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Response to KentuckyStiffRipple (Original post)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:39 PM

2. Securing the right to vote for everybody would take care of tRump

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Response to KentuckyStiffRipple (Original post)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:47 PM

5. Consequences for #45 more important than just voting, due to gerrymandering IMHO at this time.

The corruption is too deep now?

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Response to Brainfodder (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:59 PM

11. I surprised myself in coming to this same conclusion.

I think Trump's insurrection and attack on the fundamental legitimacy of our elections was much worse than the impact of these state laws. It's even more important that our democracy demonstrates its ability to hold him accountable for his treason, and thereby stands up directly for the very idea of democratic governance.

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Response to KentuckyStiffRipple (Original post)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:48 PM

7. If you will please pardon my word choice

The right to vote trumps other concerns.

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Response to KentuckyStiffRipple (Original post)

Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:49 PM

8. We can walk and chew gum.

Pass HR-1

Put the former guy in jail.

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