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Sat Jun 12, 2021, 10:47 AM

New: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urges Dems not to abandon HR1 for narrower bill preferred by Manchin


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New: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urges Dems not to abandon HR1 for narrower bill preferred by Manchin — “We are at an urgent moment because of the Republican assault on our democracy.” @GuardianUS

Pelosi urges Senate Democrats to back voting rights bill and ‘save democracy’
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Reply New: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urges Dems not to abandon HR1 for narrower bill preferred by Manchin (Original post)
soothsayer Jun 2021 OP
PoliticAverse Jun 2021 #1
Takket Jun 2021 #2
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #5
Fullduplexxx Jun 2021 #9
gab13by13 Jun 2021 #3
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #4
OnDoutside Jun 2021 #10
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #11
OnDoutside Jun 2021 #13
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #14
spanone Jun 2021 #6
LenaBaby61 Jun 2021 #7
Bayard Jun 2021 #8
pandr32 Jun 2021 #12
LenaBaby61 Jun 2021 #15
pandr32 Jun 2021 #16
LenaBaby61 Jun 2021 #17
pandr32 Jun 2021 #19
Hortensis Jun 2021 #18

Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 10:51 AM

1. If Manchin doesn't come around at what point do you go with "plan B"? n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 10:56 AM

2. there is no coming around. So the time is now

5 months have passed and Manchin is dug in. If we don't get SOMETHING passed, we're doomed in 2022 under the tidal wave of voter suppression. of course i don't see ANY voting rights bill getting passed the filibuster so i'm not sure what we can do...

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Response to Takket (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:06 AM

5. Well, for starters, Poor People's Campaign is hitting the WV streets in protest on June 14

For all the hand-wringing and sighing about needing a plan B, folks haven’t exhausted all options under Plan A…direct action in the streets.

Following Schumer’s strategic scheduling of debate and votes in June and July (he’s bringing S1 to the senate floor the week of June 21), we have all summer long to help J.C. Joe Manchin and Sinema contemplate the end of living a comfortable public life, and the misery that lies ahead for them if they don’t rethink their position on ending the filibuster.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:48 AM

9. Maybe after we see what Garland is gonna do

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Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 10:58 AM

3. Is it legal for Speaker Pelosi

to trade places with Chuck Schumer for a couple of months?

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Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 10:59 AM

4. She knows the Progressive Caucus will never approve a narrower bill if one is sent to conference. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:49 AM

10. That might be true, though I suspect that they'll take what they can

get and go back for more later. However, what's Nancy's solution to get it passed if Manchin says no ? I'm seeing all these bug statements but no solutions, and time is running out.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 12:27 PM

11. The solution largely lies outside of Pelosi's control- its up to We, The People, via direct action.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 01:39 PM

13. But unfortunately that requires voting in 22 and beyond, meanwhile

Republicans are bringing hundreds of suppression laws in. I just don't see why they can't sit down with Manchin and strike a deal to get what he'll agree to over the line.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 03:57 PM

14. Direct action is NOT voting- it is action in the streets to speak out for voting rights

To pressure politicians, and make their lives miserable if they resist the will of the people.

Negotiating with Manchin is like negotiating with the GOP- you can’t trust him.

Instead, I propose that Manchin consider just how much pain he is willing and able to endure. Is he willing to give up having a quiet meal in a restaurant? Is he willing to tolerate demonstrators being dragged out of his office on a daily basis once COVID restrictions end? Is he willing to have his name smeared on billboards and on the airwaves for the entire summer?

When The People are willing to engage in that level of direct action, then we’ll see if HR1 is a lost cause or not.

Waiting to vote in 2022 will be too late; the fight is NOW.

With the resurrection of Jim Crow 2.0, the traditional, familiar comfort zone paradigm of “if we work really, really hard, get out the vote, and flip a few seats, we can win BIG in 2022!” Will not apply.

Democracy Docket’s Marc Elias has said that the numerous lawsuits they are bringing against the Jim Crow 2.0 states is merely a stopgap measure to “buy time” to allow Congress to act.

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Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:09 AM

6. K&R...

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Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:16 AM

7. Manchin has a friend in Di Fi, of course.

🙄

Dismissing GOP threats, Dianne Feinstein backs fellow Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin on the filibuster.


Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., drew calls from progressives to resign this week after she rejected Democratic calls to reform the filibuster to pass voting rights legislation amid a Republican push to restrict ballot access that the party has likened to "Jim Crow."

Sens. Joe Manchin D-W.Va., and Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., have drawn intraparty scorn over their defense of the filibuster as numerous other centrist Democrats have softened their opposition to reforming the Senate rule in the face of Republican obstruction and assault on voting rights.

Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, who has defended the filibuster, said this week that if it comes down to a choice between the archaic Senate rule and democracy, he would "choose democracy." Asked about the comment on Thursday, however, Feinstein denied that democracy was in peril despite Republicans voting to block the certification of last year's presidential election and GOP legislators in more than a dozen states passing new voting restrictions and, more importantly, laws that would make it easier to overturn elections.

"If democracy were in jeopardy, I would want to protect it," Feinstein told Forbes' Andrew Solender. "But I don't see it being in jeopardy right now."

Feinstein said she would "wait and see what happens" with the For the People Act, a sweeping voting rights bill that every Senate Republican and Manchin have opposed (Manchin previously co-sponsored the bill in 2019). Asked what reforms she might support, Feinstein said, "I'd have to take a look" but "right now, nothing comes to my mind."

Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California-Irvine who has tracked many of the hundreds of voting restrictions pushed by Republicans this year, said Feinstein's denial that democracy was in danger left him "speechless."

"A minority Party that has shown no respect for democratic norms has made a mockery of the Senate and majoritarianism," tweeted Anthony Michael Kreis, a law professor at the University of Georgia. "Senator Feinstein is still trying to govern like it's the 1990s."

"A truly baffling quote," said Sawyer Hackett, the executive director of the progressive People First Future, a group founded by former presidential candidate Julian Castro. "If Diane Feinstein isn't able to recognize the attacks on our democracy and the rise of fascism she needs to get hell out of the Senate."

Feinstein has defended the filibuster in the past but her renewed defense as Democrats push to advance voting rights legislation highlights that opposition to filibuster reform inside the party is bigger than just Manchin and Sinema, who have been on the receiving end of progressive criticism for months.

"There are certainly more senators with reservations about the filibuster that are giving Manchin steam to stay firm," Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., told The Daily Beast. "But I have also heard from colleagues that none of those other senators want to play Manchin's role."

But so far, other centrist Democrats have equivocated on whether they would support reforming the filibuster to pass voting rights.

Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz., who was elected in a special election last year and will face voters again next year, told CNN this week that he would "evaluate any change to our rules, regardless of what they are, based on what's in the best interest of Arizona, and the best interest of our country."

Sen. Maggie Hassan, D-N.H., a top target for Republicans in next year's midterms, has expressed "concerns" about eliminating the filibuster though she has supported reforming the rule in the past. Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev, another top GOP target, has supported bringing back the "talking filibuster" to make it more difficult to block legislation, a proposal Manchin has floated in the past. Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., who voted with Manchin and other centrists to oppose a $15 minimum wage increase earlier this year, has stayed quiet on the issue.

Others, like King, have said they would be open to reform in the interest of advancing voting rights.

Sen. Jacky Rosen, D-Nev, has opposed eliminating the filibuster but told The Washington Post this week she would support such a move "in the case of protecting democracy." Sen. Jon Tester, D-Montana, opened the door to backing filibuster reform in an interview with MSNBC this week over concerns that it has been "weaponized," but he told CNN that he was not there yet. Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., a longtime ally of President Joe Biden and opponent of filibuster reform, similarly told Politico that the filibuster may have to go if Republicans continue to block the president's agenda.

Former Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., described Manchin as a "heat shield" for other Democrats reluctant to eliminate the filibuster. But the other Democrats' reluctance to publicly back Manchin's stance means that they are likely to fall in line if Manchin folds, Ocasio-Cortez told The Daily Beast.

"That doesn't mean they shouldn't be pressed for their position and offer clarity to their constituents, though," she added. "People deserve to know with clarity where their elected representation stands on the filibuster."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dismissing-gop-threats-dianne-feinstein-backs-fellow-democratic-sen-joe-manchin-on-the-filibuster/ar-AAKXgWX?ocid=msedgntp

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:27 AM

8. Sen. Feinstein is senile

She needed to retire long ago. Get out gracefully, like Barbara Boxer did.

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Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 12:52 PM

12. She knows what she is doing--I trust her

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 05:25 PM

15. You trust her to keep the fillibuster?

Yikes 🥴

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 05:37 PM

16. Madame Speaker knows her House

Also, she will not seek another term due to her age and the desire to retire. Her legacy is not something she won't care about. She also knows what is at stake much better than we do.

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 06:14 PM

17. I wasn't talking about Nancy ...

I was talking about DiFi who agrees with that man from WV and keeping the filibuster.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 13, 2021, 12:55 PM

19. I was talking about Nancy

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Response to soothsayer (Original post)

Sat Jun 12, 2021, 06:22 PM

18. Nancy isn't about to "abandon" HR1. Therefore the caucus she leads won't.

Speaker Pelosi has always believed in achieving something, the value of always achieving toward the ultimate goal. But that doesn't mean folding when not necessary and more than has to be.

Back in 2010 the pressure was intense from senate Democrats, some house Democrats, and then President Obama, to dramatically slash provisions of the ACA to get "something" passed. In the Oval Office Pelosi informed President Obama that the house would pass its entire bill in its current form or nothing. Then she did. That's part of why many who were there think of it as Pelosicare.

A little different view on this "abandon" nonsense. Not in this ferociously determined progressive's vocabulary.

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