Indian Covid variant could be the dominant strain in the US within a WEEK, say experts as it causes

[Klaralven]

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Indian Covid variant could be the dominant strain in the US within a WEEK, say experts as it causes havoc in UK where 30% of fatalities linked to mutant have been fully vaccinated

The Indian variant of Covid-19 could be the dominant strain of the virus in the United States in just one week, according to disturbing new data.

The highly-transmissible strain - known as B.1.617.2 or 'Delta' - now makes up about 10 percent of US cases, up from just one percent less than a month ago, Outbreak.info claims.

'When will B.1.617.2 (Delta) be the dominant variant in the US? Could be next week (or next 2 weeks) based on trends in our testing data & sequences available,' researcher Alexandre Bolze wrote on Twitter Thursday.

It has caused Covid cases in the UK to surge by 109 percent in a single week, with the government now considering extending lockdown restrictions by another month. The UK is headed for a third Covid wave and, at the current rate, could have 80,000 new cases a day by mid-July.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681741/Highly-contagious-Indian-variant-dominant-strain-COVID-WEEK.html

[Klaralven]

1. 7-day moving average of new cases is flat to slightly up, even with no data from Florida

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[notpolltested]

8. You can't compare non Holiday weeks to Holiday weeks. nt

[SheltieLover]

2. I'd just read elsewhere that 2 Pfizers 88.(x) protectiom

Ps - not giving up mask anytime soon!

[Arkansas Granny]

3. And this is why I'm in no hurry to ditch my mask yet when I'm out in public.

Only 32% of Arkansans are fully vaccinated. I think we're going to be hit hard again.

[dalton99a]

4. Kick

The Delta variant, which was first detected in India, now accounts for more than 6% of all infections in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And this highly transmissible variant may be responsible for more than 18% of cases in some Western states.

The variant, also known as B.1.617.2, is spreading rapidly in the U.K., and has quickly become the dominant strain there, responsible for more than 60% of infections and causing surges in some parts of England.

The good news is the vaccines look like they can protect people against the Delta variant. A new study from Public Health England showed two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 88% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant compared to 93% effectiveness against the Alpha variant, the variant first detected in the U.K. Effectiveness declined to 33% after just one dose.

Fauci urged everyone who has received the first dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines to make sure to sign up for a second. "And for those who have still not been vaccinated yet, please get vaccinated," he said.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/06/08/1004597294/the-highly-contagious-delta-variant-of-covid-is-on-the-rise-in-the-u-s

[LonePirate]

5. If that 30% of deaths are among the vaccinated holds over time, it's going to be a very bad summer

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If this variant is striking down that many vaccinated people, 2021 will make 2020 seem tame by comparison. More study, more numbers, more mask mandates, more social distancing and new vaccines targeted for this variant are needed now.

[Nonhlanhla]

6. It does not have a 30% fatality rate

It just said that 30% of the fatalities linked to this variant were among fully vaccinated people. In other words, of those that died from the Delta variant, one third were breakthrough cases.

That’s bad enough (although one should look into which vaccines are involved), but it certainly is not a 30% fatality rate.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Nonhlanhla is right. NOT "30% fatality rate"

That's very very different from "30% of fatalities", which is the fact.

[bamagal62]

9. Why do they never mention the J&J vaccine?

They always mention how effective the Pfizer vaccine is against certain variants. But, they never say anything about the J&J. What vaccine did the breakthrough cases get? Should people vaccinated with the J&J vaccine go and get the Pfizer or moderna as well? Also, were the breakthrough cases people that got vaccines in back in Feb? Did their immunity wear off? Lots of questions.

[LisaL]

10. J&J wasn't approved in the UK until very recently.

So I don't think they know how effective J&J is against this variant.

[LiberalLoner]

17. I got the J+J vaccination and I really want to know these things too. Every story I read never

Mentions the vaccine I took. It’s as if they are all pretending now the J+J vaccine never existed.

[Fresh_Start]

19. I'm right there with you....what about J&J nt

nt

[LisaL]

26. I believe there is a way to test your antibody levels.

To see how effective your vaccination was. My understanding is that some people don't develop high antibody levels even after vaccination with mRNA.
So the antibody level would presumably be more predictive of immunity than the kind of vaccine one received.

[Fresh_Start]

27. I'm right there with you....what about J&J nt

nt

[BannonsLiver]

11. Thread melodrama factor: 9.3

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Related: OP source is UK Daily Mail rag. . . . nt

[bamagal62]

13. Ahhhhhh. didn't notice.

[BannonsLiver]

15. That says it all really.

[bamagal62]

14. Asking questions is melodramatic?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. Anything's possible, but making headline of obscure researcher's question is melodramatic

He has credentials and he is undoubtedly sincere, but the Daily Mail is not and they have a profit motive.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. Just Some Context

CDC reported that 293 million out of 305 million vaccine doses in the U.S. were Pfizer or Moderna. About 96%.
By contrast, about 20% of vaccines in the UK were from those two sources. The rest were Oxford (dominant) and Jansen/J&J.
Comparing breakthrough cases of this variant, and extrapolating, across the two countries is highly suspect.

[Ace Rothstein]

20. And they were spacing out their doses up to 12 weeks or something like that.

Lots of people vaccinated in the UK but only with one dose.

[LisaL]

24. Yep, some were suggesting we do that in the US.

I am very glad we didn't space out the doses.
The spacing of doses further than 4 weeks was never tested in clinical trials. Yet Europe started doing that, and as it turns out, one dose is not enough against the variants.

[Ace Rothstein]

28. Yeah with the number of doses we had coming in it was completely unnecessary.

I think it was one of the few things we've done right.

[notpolltested]

25. Yeah, Michael Osterholm lost credibility when he started suggesting impending doom back in in March

and there ended up being just a plateau for a bit and cases ended up continuing down. He also wanted to delay second doses.

[Ace Rothstein]

29. Yeah, the trajectory of that bump did not match the others.

[lagomorph777]

21. I guess we'll just have to find out empirically.

I am fully-vaccinated with Pfizer (as of a few days ago). However, my mask is NOT coming off anytime soon.

Meanwhile, this is likely to wipe out some more antivaxxer maskholes.

[634-5789]

22. More proof that if you didn't get vaxxed...

...you're dumb as a sack of hammers.

[NightWatcher]

23. Can't wait until I can vaccinate my 10 year old. (Looks at watch)