Another day begins---and the insane dictator wannabe that we all KNOW incited the

[Atticus]

insurrection on January 6th is still free, unindicted and encouraging more traitorous violence and the Arizona thugs the DOJ has warned in writing that their actions violate federal law are still unindicted and giving televised tours of their crime scene.

At some point, patience ends.

[OrlandoDem2]

1. Nothing is going to happen to Trump. We don't hold elected officials accountable much anymore

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The people will need to take to the streets to put major pressure on DC to wake the F up!

[Ferrets are Cool]

3. AFAIC, the only elected officials who are not held accountable are the ones

with R's behind their names.

[StarfishSaver]

20. Not true

But ok.

[Chainfire]

35. Elected officials and CEOs are too big to jail.

It is the golden rule.

[StarfishSaver]

36. And yet some of them still end up in prison anyway

[Chainfire]

40. But rarely the most deserving.

As much as we would love to see it, we will never see Trump in cuffs. We will have to wait for nature to pronounce judgement on the man, and it couldn't come quick enough.

[Fiendish Thingy]

2. Do you want Justice, or revenge?

Democracies rely on Justice, dictatorships feed off revenge.

[harumph]

4. True - but at various points in history

democracies fail by (consistently) failing to deliver justice. Where is the inflection point?

[StarfishSaver]

6. The inflection point certainly hasn't occurred yet.

[gab13by13]

22. 23 election laws have been passed in the states,

not only do they disenfranchise voting but some of them allow Republican legislators to be in charge of elections. Our DOJ certainly can take on these cases in court, but how long will that take and how much damage will have been done? These new voter laws will not be adjudicated before the 2022 election, if our DOJ sues.

[StarfishSaver]

23. Did you hear/read Garland's speech the other day?

[DET]

46. Question

Respectfully, what can Garland do at this point in time for the next election?

[Fullduplexxx]

9. You get revenge through justice

[StarfishSaver]

13. This

[Eyeball_Kid]

15. How about a bow to the

“Justice is blind” demographic?

What? Never heard of “Justice is blind”?

It’s just too taxing to pull that one out of the Memory Hole.

[Chainfire]

39. Revenge is part of the human experience

The history of man is the history of revenge. One should not discard it as a viable response to an injury; the fear of it can keep your enemies honest.

[StarfishSaver]

41. True

But revenge and justice are different and often conflicting goals.

When there's a conflict, I prefer to go for justice

[Chainfire]

45. Well, certainly, revenge and justice are two different things

But, for everything, there is a season.

[StarfishSaver]

5. Yes, patience DOES "end at some point" But we're nowhere near the point

at which anyone should be losing patience

You seem to have forgotten that President Biden and his administration had no transition at all. Unlike previous incoming administrations, they couldn't even get in the buildings or communicate with departments before January 20th. He had no cabinet, very little staff, the departments had no new appointees, etc.

Merrick Garland wasn't confirmed until nearly two months later, and the head of the civil rights division at DOJ was only just confirmed two weeks ago after a huge senate fight.

Expecting this administration to have walked in the door at noon on January 20th and within hours of Biden saying "So help me, God," figured out the lay of the land, assessed the situation, mapped out a plan, started and completed full-blown criminal investigations - complete with grand juries and indictments - in a few weeks is more than unrealistic.

Anyone paying attention and having an understanding of how government and the criminal justice system works and who wants indictments and convictions and isn't just expecting to be thrown some quick red meat to satisfy their anger and thirst for revenge is aware of this - and is willing to give President Biden, Attorney General Garland, and the investigators and prosecutors who are working their butts off the time and space they need to build cases that will stick.

[The Roux Comes First]

7. Thanks for a Calming, Well-written Piece!

The sense of cliff-edge has given me occasional twinges of vertigo recently!

[Fullduplexxx]

10. Good point about the transition the lack of it is overlooked

[KPN]

38. Yeah, the transition piece -- the refusal to participate

in a transition was a purposeful means for the former one to extend his pillage of institutional norms and order beyond his 4 year term.

[True Blue American]

11. Thank you!

I am really getting fed up with those who think fixing the horrible mess of the last 4 years in a few
Days are sad!

[llashram]

16. this

is a reasonable expectation. I just hope trumppppiss and his grifter family and administration member(s) are held accountable. All he is doing is throwing red meat to his rabid mob hoping they will be successful in overthrowing our democracy so he or his hand-picked successor can be dictator for life.

[StarfishSaver]

17. All the more reason to make sure the investigation and indictments are solid

The last thing this country needs is for the feds to throw the book at him before the book is completed and have him walk away scot free because the case was too raggedy to get a conviction.

[llashram]

18. true

[Ponietz]

32. Perhaps the inflection point was when rich people stopped paying taxes

or perhaps when the world failed to heed Al Gore.

Difficult to see how this doesn’t end in utter anarchy unless the FBI fulfills its sworn law enforcement duty. It had plenty of time and space before 2016 to arrest Trump and there, surely, is probable cause to consider the RNC a RICO organization. It’s great at catching little fish but it looks like the racketeers won. Laws are for the poors.

[StarfishSaver]

34. Ok

So why do you bother even talking about it any more given your certainty that this was all over years ago?

[spooky3]

33. +1

[Atticus]

42. Please just respond to what I actually said in my OP rather than what you think I may

have meant. Nothing in my post is false and "at some point" clearly means I am still exercising patience.

You can certainly disagree or add a comment without tagging me as unrealistic because of what you say I "expected".

As for "understanding how government works", until January 6th most of us thought we did understand. But, it is not unreasonable to think that maybe extraordinary unprecedented attacks on our nation's democracy call for extraordinarily prompt and forceful responses.

As to my not understanding how the "criminal justice system works", understanding is one thing----accepting is quite another.

[StarfishSaver]

43. I responded directly your OP

Specifically your complaints about what "still" hasn't occured, which clearly indicated you think those things should have happened by now.

But since it was you who declared that "patience ends at some point" but you are now suggesting that your patience has not yet ended, what is that "some point" at which you are warning that patience will actually end?

And if you don't know, what was the point of your OP in the first place?

[Atticus]

44. Thank you for proving my point. You would rather comment on what you believe I

"clearly indicated" than just what I said.

Asking "at what point" my patience will end is similar to asking "How long is a string?" The answer depends on factors not currently known or knowable.

Finally, there are those who claim to "know" all the answers and those who believe friendly discussion may LEAD to some of the answers once they see the opinions of others.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Trump used power while in office, we must do the same, but here's the slender difference

Rule of law means legitimacy, so while we must defend the rule of law and there must be accountability, we cannot do so in a politicized manner. I don't know if that's the stumbling block. I think the case is so large it will take time to move up the food chain. The political fallout could leave parts of government mere skin and bones. Maybe we'll be stronger with subsequent rounds of fire and replacement.

[StarfishSaver]

12. Yes - but Trump didn't use power. He abused it

And now some folks want us to punish by using his tactics against him.

There seems to be a sense that "Trump was so awful, we need to break the rules to call him to account. But just this one time. As soon as we get him, we'll go back to doing things the right way."

Except, as history has shown, once that's done, there's never going back to "the right way."

[NewHendoLib]

14. I proudly join you in the "impatience Club". What we are seeing is beyond the pale.

[StarfishSaver]

19. "Beyond the pale"

You sound as if you know just how long it should take to mount a case of this magnitude and that this matter is being handled differently than other similar cases in the past.

Can you point to any previous major federal criminal cases that were investigated and led to indictments in less than five months?

If not, what is this "pale" of which you speak of being "beyond"?

[NewHendoLib]

30. .

[StarfishSaver]

31. Just as I thought

[NewHendoLib]

37. Let's agree to disagree on this. I think you are wrong.

[gab13by13]

21. There is plenty of reason for our impatience.

Our DOJ was not obliged to defend MF45 in the E.Jeanne Carroll defamation law suit. Our DOJ did not have to keep secret the document that Barr used to absolve MF45 from obstruction.

Now that Kristen Clarke has been confirmed at DOJ I expect more involvement in the Arizona fraudit. 23 election laws have already been passed throughout our states. It is much harder to repeal these laws once they are passed. Yeah our DOJ can sue which I'm guessing will take years to adjudicate.

So can our DOJ repeal these gag orders with Apple and Microsoft since it is obvious to everyone that these were phishing expeditions and didn't involve national security? Apple and Microsoft should have to reveal to our present DOJ everyone who was targeted, if our DOJ doesn't already know.

[StarfishSaver]

24. How would not filing the motion in the Carroll case or not redacting the Barr memo

or repealing the gag orders have caused Trump to have been indicted by now - the point the OP is complaining about?

[lagomorph777]

25. The DOJ scandal is much bigger than COINTELPRO. Garland needs to address it.

NOW.

His reputation, and our democracy, are at stake.

[StarfishSaver]

26. What does "addressing it now" look like to you?

[Stuart G]

27. Yes, there are reasons for our impatience. Often there are reasons why finding the total truth

takes time. And yes, we want the "Total Truth" concerning this insurrection. And it will all come out.
No one knows if the truth will come out quickly or very slowly. But it will come out. The Trump name
will become the "sawdust in the drawer" and will be just as worthless as the sawdust. Biden will clean
the drawer, but cleaning this particular drawer takes time. This is a very large drawer that contains
lots of hidden corners and small drawers within drawers.

[Boomerproud]

28. BTW Unhappy Birthday you...

[malaise]

29. He did way more than incite

That is all