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Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 07:51 AM Jun 2021

Michael Steele hit the nail on the head just now on Morning Joe in a discussion of public polling.

"Politicians don't really care what's popular with the American people. If they did we'd have all kinds of reforms that people have been talking about for years."

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Michael Steele hit the nail on the head just now on Morning Joe in a discussion of public polling. (Original Post) Nexus2 Jun 2021 OP
I beg to differ . . .. Lovie777 Jun 2021 #1
To their detriment wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #3
What does that mean? betsuni Jun 2021 #15
I take it to mean they are competing with people who don't care, who will do anything to Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #16
Still don't get why caring what Americans want would be detrimental. betsuni Jun 2021 #17
It makes their jobs a lot harder than the job of the guy who doesn't. Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #18
Yeah. With the pay-to-play system, Eyeball_Kid Jun 2021 #21
let's put it this way azureblue Jun 2021 #37
Not the detriment of their character, quite the opposite. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2021 #36
Far too many elected officials The Wizard Jun 2021 #2
Yep empedocles Jun 2021 #4
REPUBLICAN politicians. barbtries Jun 2021 #5
Yep. Pigs do not Govern they rule for big monied's whims and wishes StClone Jun 2021 #32
I don't think name-calling adds any insight to to the conversation Bucky Jun 2021 #40
Oh I am sorry Republicans. StClone Jun 2021 #41
+1000 LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2021 #33
Yup. And those who claim they are are either up to bad trouble Hortensis Jun 2021 #35
We'd have reforms driven by Democratic politicians if we had GoodRaisin Jun 2021 #6
Yes indeed. bdamomma Jun 2021 #7
Steele always tarnishes with a broad brush in hopes of GOP death-bed revival bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #8
I agree 100% KS Toronado Jun 2021 #10
+1 spooky3 Jun 2021 #24
I quit liking him some time ago. He is still Jakes Progress Jun 2021 #38
***REPUBLICANS*** don't care because their messaging machine allows them not to uponit7771 Jun 2021 #9
Here's why... zaj Jun 2021 #11
Thank you Delphinus Jun 2021 #14
+++ Excellent video. KPN Jun 2021 #22
Great video and suggestions for solutions to fix politically non-functioning government. Thanks. c-rational Jun 2021 #28
Republican politicians PatSeg Jun 2021 #12
"Sporting event" is putting it lightly. I get your point. It's a good one, but anymore they tend KPN Jun 2021 #23
Oh yes, I agree PatSeg Jun 2021 #25
Weird isn't it? What is wrong with these people? I struggle to understand it. What happened to KPN Jun 2021 #27
Yes, I agree about natural selection PatSeg Jun 2021 #34
No, the nail did not hit the head. That both sides are corrupt and don't care is bull. betsuni Jun 2021 #13
Wrong! Democrats DO care and we would have a much better onecaliberal Jun 2021 #19
REPUBLICANS don't care . Democrats DO . Democrats have tried and gotten things done JI7 Jun 2021 #20
Wrong -- Democrats care. n/t. whathehell Jun 2021 #26
How did being head-honcho of The Rich White Guy Party work out for ya? czarjak Jun 2021 #29
Democrat representatives have to be statesmen heckles65 Jun 2021 #30
Remember that Steele is the former head of the RNC. patphil Jun 2021 #31
speak for the REPUKE PARTY Skittles Jun 2021 #39
No, REPUBLICANS don't care. Democrats have been pushing for popular reforms for decades. SunSeeker Jun 2021 #42
He just figured this out? LOL nt Quixote1818 Jun 2021 #43

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
16. I take it to mean they are competing with people who don't care, who will do anything to
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jun 2021

get money and power, and therefore Democrats have a harder hill to climb.

All a republiQan needs to do is get some billionaire to back him. Then he gets elected and puts his feet up on his desk and all he has to do for his term is overturn regulations on some polluter or some arms dealer or some drug maker or some other entity that is trying to kill us all.

A Democrat needs to actually get support, then actually govern if they are elected.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
21. Yeah. With the pay-to-play system,
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 10:07 AM
Jun 2021

You have a smaller audience to placate, and you have handfuls of money to boot. Accepting bribes (oh, excuse me... DONATIONS) is much simpler and has greater rewards. Recall that our old friend, Trumpy-Boy, believed that bribing international officials and CEOs SHOULD BE LEGAL. Since he doesn't have scruples, we can make it a sure bet that Trumpy-Boy would be comfortable with bribing domestic targets. That's right, Lindsey. You, too Devin Moo Moo. I'd add Gaetz to the list of those eager to get money for services, but Gaetz is jumping up and down and waving his hands, hoping to get Trumpy's attention. So he doesn't qualify for bribes.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
37. let's put it this way
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 03:26 PM
Jun 2021

Honest and caring vs lying crooks who are good at fooling people. And the fools vote GOP.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
36. Not the detriment of their character, quite the opposite.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 02:02 PM
Jun 2021

Its to the detriment of a lazy, easy, and more lucrative job performance.

And the to the detriment of actually having to spend time working on bills that would improve lives. Its so much easier to just be the critic against whatever the other party is doing. Or not doing


StClone

(11,683 posts)
32. Yep. Pigs do not Govern they rule for big monied's whims and wishes
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jun 2021

Democrats are too busy working for their voters to find time to spin, manipulate, propagandizes, and even if they did few media outlets would air it, as the media is in the hands of the Pigs.

33. +1000
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 12:40 PM
Jun 2021

The GQP is interested only in power, not service. Anything that gets in their way -- including the law -- of acquiring power ends up thrown by the side of the road. The party is corrupt through and through.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Yup. And those who claim they are are either up to bad trouble
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 01:59 PM
Jun 2021

on purpose or useful idiots for the others. What informed people always knew is beyond obvious to everyone now.

GoodRaisin

(8,922 posts)
6. We'd have reforms driven by Democratic politicians if we had
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 09:06 AM
Jun 2021

the majorities and no filibustering. Republicans obviously don't care about what is popular with the people unless it's tax cuts for the rich people.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
8. Steele always tarnishes with a broad brush in hopes of GOP death-bed revival
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 09:17 AM
Jun 2021

I like him, but this is both-siderism in a very disguised, irrefutable form. It's not what America needs now.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
38. I quit liking him some time ago. He is still
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 03:32 PM
Jun 2021

aching to be some republican big wig. He is never honest. He slants everything to excuse the republicans and never shoulders any blame for what kind of party he created.

Mea culpas needed.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
22. +++ Excellent video.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 10:20 AM
Jun 2021

Exactly -- representation is kind of an illusion at the federal level, so only those who actually pull the strings are satisfied, i.e., the .1% or so. The rest of us (the 99%) are left holding the bag and fighting each other. Because wedge issues ultimately serve the interests of the .1-1%, the Rs tend to dominate law-making at the federal level with a huge assist of course by an unrepresentative "representative" and electoral system. Ergo, no gun control, foot dragging on global warming, tax cuts for the wealthy, an inefficient national health plan, prohibitively high cost of public higher education, poverty level minimum wages, millions of homeless, and the list goes on.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
12. Republican politicians
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 09:24 AM
Jun 2021

get all wrapped up in the game and one-upmanship. It isn't about policies and governing, it is about defeating your opponent. They mistake governing for a sporting event and they really hate losing.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
23. "Sporting event" is putting it lightly. I get your point. It's a good one, but anymore they tend
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 10:28 AM
Jun 2021

to look at it as a "war". They've deceived their supporters into believing the notion that they are fighting a war to save America -- from "evil communist liberals". Maybe some of them have deceived themselves as well, but my perspective is that most, if not all, of them are just corrupt. Just grifters as a whole.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
25. Oh yes, I agree
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 10:47 AM
Jun 2021

And right-wingers tend to look at sporting events and games more like war than healthy competition. If you've ever played any kind of game with such people, they hate to lose so much they often cheat or upend the board when they lose.

I've found that they lie even when the truth would serve them better, because they like getting away with something, bucking the system. They cheat on their taxes, lie to their spouses, steal from their employers, employees, or customers, and inflate their accomplishments. To them, it is not cheating or corruption, it is WINNING and in the end, that is all that matters.

I think it could be viewed as some kind of disorder that is a symbol of the society we live in. A world where the old worn cliché "Nice guys finish last" is not really meant in jest, it is a motto that too many live by.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
27. Weird isn't it? What is wrong with these people? I struggle to understand it. What happened to
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 10:57 AM
Jun 2021

them in their early childhood to make them this way, or is it genetic/biological? If the latter, you would think natural selection would have taken care of the problem by now.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
34. Yes, I agree about natural selection
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 01:19 PM
Jun 2021

In most cases, it think it is primarily because of what was learned in childhood from family and/or friends, but then again, people from the same backgrounds don't necessarily end up the same.

betsuni

(25,519 posts)
13. No, the nail did not hit the head. That both sides are corrupt and don't care is bull.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 09:25 AM
Jun 2021

Republicans don't care what voters think because their voters don't care about policy.

Democrats are constantly told they're terrible at messaging because they talk about policies the American people want. Americans don't vote on policy, they don't know policies. The MSM never talks about it, they're no help. Apparently Democrats have to personally visit each American at home and explain things to them like they're five years old and give them therapy, pass out self-help books, because they feel ignored, left behind, forgotten, voiceless, nobody listens.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
20. REPUBLICANS don't care . Democrats DO . Democrats have tried and gotten things done
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 10:00 AM
Jun 2021

and it has been republicans that always stopped it.

czarjak

(11,274 posts)
29. How did being head-honcho of The Rich White Guy Party work out for ya?
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 11:55 AM
Jun 2021

Rushbo wasn’t having that, huh?

patphil

(6,176 posts)
31. Remember that Steele is the former head of the RNC.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 12:21 PM
Jun 2021

His assumption is that all politicians are like Republican politicians.

SunSeeker

(51,554 posts)
42. No, REPUBLICANS don't care. Democrats have been pushing for popular reforms for decades.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 10:51 PM
Jun 2021

Republicans have obstructed them.

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