Honest questions.

[onecaliberal]

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Why do people think they should regulate healthcare for women and LGBTQ people?

Why do they believe it is one iota their business?

[Ohio Joe]

1. My answer to both is, I don't...

That does not make what you are asking any less true... Many men do feel the need to control women and the LGBTQ community. I suspect it is a combination of fear and hatred.

[TraceNC]

2. Same reason why the women who agree with

those men think it’s their business. Or probably at least close to the same reason, whatever it is.

I assume you’re talking about men who want to ban abortion. From the rhetoric, it sounds like those men cite the same reasons as the women who want to ban abortion.

But who the hell knows.

[onecaliberal]

21. If they were the least bit consistent in their views, their opinion may carry water. In the absence

of that we can only speculate. White women will always have the ability to get an abortion or healthcare. This primarily effects people of color and it's another method of control. Republicans are pro life, like Dracula is anti blood.

[TraceNC]

35. I don't believe they're "pro-life" at all, either.

If they were, they’d be against the death penalty, against the wars of choice they unfailingly support, and for things like fully-funded healthcare, early education, etc.

I don’t know that it’s all about control, though. It wouldn’t explain the millions of women who want an abortion ban. And it especially couldn’t be about control when it comes to the racial disparity inherent in our system. If it were about racial control, they’d be more likely to support (or even insist upon) abortions as a way of curbing population growth. That would be control.

But yeah, we agree that they’re all over the map and not consistent. I sometimes wonder if conservatives believe in anything beyond low taxes.

[MissMillie]

3. Not a fella, but

for some people their business is their business, and your business is their business.

[SheltieLover]

7. +1

Well said, Millie!

[WarGamer]

4. Healthcare is an excuse for regulating behavior grounded in their religious beliefs.

There's more to it... part of it is just the aversion to people having more fun than they are...

Live and let live... make yourself happy and be a good member of the community. That's been my credo all my life.

[LakeArenal]

5. They think the Bible tells them so.

Plus caveman mentality.

But it’s not just fellas. Believe me.

Dye your hair purple and see how many women will tell you their opinion.

[Blue_Adept]

6. A disingenuous question quite honestly

It's not men that think this.

it's particular men that you're more likely to be able to group by something other than gender.

And there are plenty and plenty of women who think it as well. but we don't go saying "why do women think they should regulate healthcare for women?" do we?

[DavidDvorkin]

11. Right.

[onecaliberal]

22. The leaders in our government blocking legislation to ensure healthcare for women, are men.

[Kaleva]

25. Men who received votes from many women.

[onecaliberal]

27. Democrats historically receive millions MORE votes than republicans who still win because

of Cheating and Gerrymandering. Are there repuke women voting against self, yes. The overwhelming majority of women do not support or vote for republicans or their failures that recently saw 800,000 people die while they LIED about the reasons and failed to act to stop it.

[Blue_Adept]

31. Yes, largely conservative and "religious" men

Again, you can ask this question here why "men" are doing this but the "men" here are NOT doing this nor are the people we're voting for are doing it.

The question is why are conservative/religious/assholes doing this.

Unless all men are assholes.

[keithbvadu2]

8. Play doctor in the legislature

Play doctor in the legislature

[SheltieLover]

9. A means to ignite their crazed base

Many women I've met & interacted with in the South say things like, "Well, you just can't never trust a woman," and other similarly demeaning things. Absolutely amazing!

Enculturated? Likely.

So, I believe, in their minds, someone has to regulate women in all aspects.

Mind you, if men could conceive, abortion would be a sacramemt.

[Ilsa]

10. When my MIL with dementia

gets angry with me, she spouts some nonsense her late husband used to promote about two women in an office or kitchen or wherever not getting along. Really sexist bullshit she likes repeating because she lives by anecdotes instead of empirical evidence.

When HRC was considering her options for a VP, my MIL repeated the bs that two women as president and VP would always be fighting. I didn't spare much explaining why that was false, starting with the fact that these are smart, degreed, experienced women who've already worked together on many things, including policy and legislation, not how much butter goes into the pot or detergent into a washing machine.

[DavidDvorkin]

12. Ask the men who feel that way

Not the rest of us.

[Wounded Bear]

19. This nt

[mnhtnbb]

13. Because the men who believe it is their business

have been taught that men should be the decision makers. They have been taught that men are to be in charge. They have been taught that men are better qualified or able or prepared to make such decisions.

And it's primarily religious groups--patriarchal groups--that have done that teaching. And then there are women who have bought into the whole game and are willing to subjugate themselves--and other women--to the teachings of these men who have chosen themselves to be in charge.

[Caliman73]

14. Likely because men have been in control of almost everything throughout history.

When your views have been the law, the social custom, and what is considered correct for centuries, you start feeling entitled to that viewpoint, like it is the "natural order" of things. Pesky things like men of color wanting equal rights and women wanting bodily autonomy are affronts to that natural order.

The reality is that it isn't any of our business, but that has never stopped the dominant culture group from assuming that power.

[BannonsLiver]

15. Why don't you ask a man who feels that way?

I’m not confident you’ll find many here who fit that bill. Now, if you’re looking for sad, depressed people cranking out doom porn on everything from fruit to the delta variant, we got plenty of that.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. +1

With ya, BL.

[sanatanadharma]

16. Rewording the question as a more universal inquiry

Within and under the question is a deeper truth about the human condition.

Why do people confuse/ conflate the 'self' with 'non-self'?
Why is it so hard to understand the beam and mote?

The 'self' is objectively this "body-mind-sense-complex with a name and a story.
No good comes when the truth-value-worth of this 'self' falsely becomes subjectively mixed-up with objectively other selves.

We all understand human-subjectivity and tolerate (or try to avoid) those with out of-bounds subjectivity (partly cultural/social boundaries). Those whose subjectivity is too-far-out are not tolerated (prisons, mental hospitals, shunning, exile).

Now, if we could only teach our kids the truth about their "self', they would all grow up saintly without the need/desire for crushing others to feel good themselves.

[onecaliberal]

28. THIS. Thank you!

[Tree Lady]

17. Its not just men there are a lot of women who

Are fine with the laws created against them because they believe its the right way.

[Nexus2]

18. It seems like by 'men' you mean heterosexual, cis gendered men?

Does ethnicity matter? What do you considering regulating healthcare to mean exactly? Not trying to be snarky, your question honestly puzzled me.

Edit: Or did I misread your intention and this is about, or primarily about, abortion?

[jalan48]

20. Control

[H2O Man]

24. Fair question.

I'd say in response that some men do, while many others don't. Likewise, on abortion, for example, many women are opposed to it, while many more are not. So while your question is about women's health care -- an extremely important issue -- we should not frame it as "male vs female" in total. It's certainly one of old white republican men as a significant sub-group of men. But it isn't men.

[Kaleva]

26. As long as a majority of white female voters support people like Trump, it won't change.

[onecaliberal]

29. It's mind boggling that any women would support a mafia boss rapist as head of their party.

[Kaleva]

30. Yes it is but that's what happened.

Hillary would have crushed Trump in 2016 if she had gotten the percentage of white female votes that Trump got.

white women made up about 37% of the voters, the largest demographic, in 2016 and of that, Trump got 52%.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Until a majority of white women shift away from people like Trump, men will continue to be able to regulate healthcare for women and LGBTQ people.

[onecaliberal]

32. Until then this white woman will continue to call it out.

[Kaleva]

33. Keep doing what you are doing because that's what it will take to change things.

[Mosby]

34. Because of Christianity.

That's the real, but unpopular reason.

Christians believe they need to save peoples "souls".