Cop maces family in their SUV, and then kills 11yr old daughter...

[HipChick]

Link to tweet

[TreasonousBastard]

1. Sounds bad, but too much is missing for this tweet to make any sesne.

[JI7]

2. But if it follows the many other cases of black people dealing with cops

then we know what happened.

[Blue_true]

5. Yes. Sounds like the trooper was needlessly aggressive.

One has to wonder whether he would have been so with White occupants of the vehicle.

[wnylib]

16. Needlessly aggressive?

I'd say murderously hostile.

[malaise]

32. THIS n/t

[triron]

47. Yep. Son of a bitch should have been shot on the spot. Except whoever did it would be seen as a

'cop killer'.

[wnylib]

58. Or, strap him in HIS car and roll it?

OK, I don't advocate violence, but I do wonder how these jerks would react to experiencing what they dish out.

[tblue37]

3. The article linked in the tweet provides much more information.

[Blue_true]

4. Hopefully they cop had his body camera on. If he didn't, he should be

fired for not having it on. His conduct sounds over the top.

[ZonkerHarris]

13. that's why there's a link and a whole article about it.

[quakerboy]

17. What exactly is missing?

Oh right.. any excuse to not blame a cop for murder. thats whats missing.
We must look deeper.

Or we accept the overwhelming mass of evidence showing that this IS exactly who and what the police are, what and how they do what they do. Be black, die. Piss them off, die. They have a bad day, die.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

6. Totally obscene ...

This shit needs to stop ... a LOOOONG time ago in fact.

[Deuxcents]

8. Yes, this shit needs to stop

It’s out of control n I’m afraid there’s no end to this madness.

[GulfCoast66]

7. Can someone post a link to an actual news story?

Right now I’ve got questions. Not answers.

[ShazzieB]

9. Here's a link to the article referenced in the tweet

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-dad-describes-crash-brooklyn-daughter-killed-ulster-20210620-fsd4dj343bgglggajegvlkduwy-story.html

I just now tried googling "tristin goods" (the father in the story) but the hits didn't really add much more.

[Niagara]

10. Link to news story.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-dad-describes-crash-brooklyn-daughter-killed-ulster-20210620-fsd4dj343bgglggajegvlkduwy-story.html

[GulfCoast66]

12. Thanks. I hope there is dash cam or body can footage of this.

That will make the difference.

Every cop in America should have a body cam. Failure to use it should be a termination offense. Or a crime.

Even if the father did something stupid like running from the cops, good Jesus that’s not reason to wreck a vehicle. Even without kids in it. Which they knew there were.

Being southern I understand where the idea of instant obedience to cops or death comes from.

The desire to control people of color. Whites had and still have a different standard.

So even if the dude was speeding and ran. You can always catch him. Not like he was an armed, known felon.

The cop will get off. Sadly.

I’ve had it with cops being taught they should expect instant obedience from minor rule breakers. And if they don’t get it they can use lethal force.

This would not happen in most European nations. They would catch the guy eventually and fine him out the ass. And take his driving privileges. A proper response.

If he actually did what is being accused. Which I’m not convinced.

[Niagara]

34. You're welcome, GulfCoast.

I did notice that DUer ShazzieB provided a link to the news story 1 minute before I did. Great job, ShazzieB!



I agree that every cop should have a body cam on at all times while on duty and failure to do so would result with the consequences that you previously stated.


The cop definitely had malicious intent from the moment he pulled the vehicle over.


I hope this cop gets locked up just like Derek Chauvin. We need to let the racist cops of America know that this type of malicious behavior isn't going to tolerated anymore.

[DallasNE]

15. This Is Only One Side Of The Story

We need both the body cam and the police report.

For instance, what does the radar show, both for the truck he was following and his SUV. Do the police accuse him of going 100 MPH? Why did he pull over the SUV but not the truck? The time lapse between when the event happened and the story is reported is 6 full months and it says the cop is still on a desk job. Is that normal? Why were there redactions on the policy for police chases? How is that confidential - sounds like a cover-up. And was the 11 year old wearing a seat belt and still got thrown out of the SUV? What reason was given for the use of mace and was that reason in compliance with regulations.

Just so much we don't know. Frankly, poor judgement looks like was use by all and an 11 year old is dead as a result.

[StarfishSaver]

25. Only one side of the story

Yet you decided already that the father used bad judgment.

In other words, bending over backwards to give the benefit of the doubt to the cop - because they have so earned it, or something.

[DallasNE]

26. Not So

You have your two children in the car and take off. The only outcome from that is a high speed chase that endangers everybody, especially since this officer had already maced the vehicle. You don't invite a cop to go on a killing rampage.

[mcar]

27. You don't invite a cop to go on a killing rampage?

Talk about blaming the victim.

[DallasNE]

29. What??? nt

[StarfishSaver]

30. No one "invites a cop to go on a killing rampage."

You sound as if you think that "killing rampages" are an acceptable response to someone running away from a cop.

[DallasNE]

33. Putting Words In My Mouth

I said it was the predictable response, especially since he had already used mace for no good reason - that is a far cry from an acceptable response.

[StarfishSaver]

35. Those were your words, not mine.

[Niagara]

39. The cop definitely had malicious intent from the moment he pulled the vehicle over.

Yelling at them, blaming them for making his vehicle "shake" and then maced them for what reason?



He didn't have them step out of the vehicle, he didn't arrest the driver, at one time the wife expressed that she was tired and they posed absolutely no threat to him.



This cop is the only person who demonstrated poor judgment.



This case is still being investigated by Tish James' office, who is the NY AG. They're not going to release certain parts of the report while it's under investigation.

[electric_blue68]

11. Racist Bastard! 😠😠🤬🤬🤬 That poor father! 😥

[AZLD4Candidate]

14. Grew up one county west in Sullivan County

Ulster is one of the Democratic Party leaning counties, especially in the New Paltz area.

I don't know what to say about this. . .it should have been just a speeding ticket on the Thruway. I am literally at a loss for words.

If the investigation and the evidence shows everything the father says, vehicular manslaughter charges should be the LEAST the District Attorney of Ulster County goes for.

[sop]

18. Running from the cops to avoid being brutalized further has become justifiable behavior for blacks.

When faced with an abusive, out of control cop, intent on escalating a simple traffic stop into a violent encounter, is it unreasonable to flee out of fear for one's life? Sadly, running from the police has now become the only rational response for many as an act of self preservation. And it seems police resort to violence during routine encounters to trigger such reactions, enabling them to use even greater force.

[stopdiggin]

22. certainly can't recommend it

I think the reasoning here (and the weighing of consequences) are seriously flawed.

[StarfishSaver]

23. A Black person in this situation likely "weighs consequences" differently than a white person would

because potential consequences for Black people are considerably different than they are for white people.

But the "recommendation" for how this Black person should have behaved is noted.

[stopdiggin]

44. so you're telling your friends (and family?)

to flee from traffic stops?

Or is the point rather that I'm not qualified to have an opinion here? If so, then - 'noted.'

[StarfishSaver]

46. Cops shoot Black people whether they flee or not

That's the problem.

White people flee the cops all the time and don't get gunned down in anywhere close to the proportions that Black people do. Black people who DON'T flee the cops get killed in far greater proportions than white people behaving the same.

The operative factor is not fleeing or not fleeing. It's skin color. If it weren't, white people who flee a cop would get killed in the same proportions as Black people who try to get away (or don't try to get away) flee from police.

[stopdiggin]

48. but the post I was responding to WAS recommending

that people flee. So it is kind of the 'operative factor' under discussion here. And I'll ask again - are you telling your friends ... ?

[StarfishSaver]

50. I tell my friends to do whatever they think they need to do to stay alive

And what you don't seem to understand is that while a white person might feel perfectly safe remaining in a stationary car while talking to a police officer, sure in their assumption that they will not be in any danger if they just do as told, Black people don't have that comfort because we know we're just as likely to get shot sitting in the car doing exactly what we're supposed to do as we are running away. And in the heat of the moment, running might be seen as and often is the better option since it could at least offer an opportunity to get away and stay alive.

If you're going to try to judge what a Black person does in this situation, you should make an effort to consider their perspective and not assume that your impressions and reactions would be reasonable for them. And if you can't do that, you shouldn't expect your conclusions that they did something wrong because they didn't respond to a fraught situation the way you would have to be taken seriously by anyone who actually understands that everyone doesn't live in the cozy "police are our friends" bubble that many white people do.

[stopdiggin]

56. fair enough.

It's actually been quite some time since I labored under the delusion that 'police are our friends' - while at the same time I can readily accept that I'm not walking in the same shoes. I still think that I have a relatively better chance of surviving an encounter with LE by not fleeing - and I think my black friends do as well. But that's just my opinion - and if you've decided differently, I wish you well with that choice. And I hope we all can make it home safely.

[sop]

59. I did not "recommend" that blacks should flee from police encounters. That's a poor choice and

not something I would attempt, or ever advise anyone in my family to do. That's because being an average-looking white guy I've never been pulled over and threatened by out of control cops with guns drawn, and no one in my family has ever been pepper sprayed while stopped for a speeding ticket.

Unfortunately, many blacks have been brutalized or killed by the police. Often for no reason. I did note it's not unreasonable that many blacks, believing the only option they have to avoid being brutalized or killed by the police during routine encounters, choose to flee such encounters. In their place, I might do the same.

[stopdiggin]

61. thanks for the clarification

I appreciate the fact that you're saying 'understand' rather than 'recommend' - it's a significant difference. And I'm sticking with my original statement that this is not something I would recommend. All the while understanding (or at least appreciating) the fear, frustration and just plain 'fed up to here' anger of another community. But that doesn't negate the fact that I think it's a really dangerous course of action - and I hope we're not in some way normalizing or endorsing a really bad idea.

[DallasNE]

28. Look At How Many

Current or former security people were involved in 1/6. That tells you we have a major problem with hiring practices for security officers - especially white officer candidates. This is a self inflicted wound by security forces. They are seeking out and hiring the wrond type of person. Reforms must start with hiring practices.

[uponit7771]

51. Uh oh, Don't nobody want to talk about this

[elias7]

19. When did ramming a vehicle from behind become ok?

[HipChick]

20. ramming a vehicle from behind with kids in it?

When is that ever ok?

[ck4829]

21. Jesus...

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Critical Race Theory

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. This system cannot be reformed.

[malaise]

31. How did I know this was an African-American family

without reading a line

[StarfishSaver]

36. Probably for the same reason we knew

how quickly we'd get the "we don't have the whole story" and "he brought it on himself" excuses ...

[malaise]

38. For real

[ScratchCat]

37. A guy is running from the cops

With kids in the car. He is completely at fault.

[NickB79]

45. Let's say a cop completely snapped one day, full mental breakdown

And decides to violently attack the next person he sees.

That person is you and your children.

What do you do?

[uponit7771]

52. .... said people still giving all cops all the benefit of the doubt

[Crunchy Frog]

60. After cop sprayed inside of car, with young children, with mace.

The man had become convinced the cop was going to kill him. At least that's my understanding.

Man was completely justified in attempting to flee, and cop is completely at fault.

Unless you're the sort who thinks "she was asking for it" by wearing a short skirt.

[flotsam]

40. As a white guy I get that many of us are clueless

When I got caught speeding I always had a pretty good chance of charming the cop into a verbal warning. My white horror story was when they would ACTUALLY ticket me and I had to pay a fine. This civilian caused this by running? I wouldn't even dare to guess what my actions would be if the cop maced me with no warning. That's an immediate fight or flight trigger and this poor guy tried to get his family away from what he (correctly) perceived as a threat to their safety. The cop gets to tell his side of the story but I can't even conceive of a narrative that exonerates him.

[HipChick]

41. Thank you...

Wish I could rec this +1000

[flotsam]

42. You're too kind...

In school and my community I learned nothing, but in jails and rehabs I learned there are two America's and I could never fully understand the America minorities lived in. Mostly a lot of white folks cannot countenance the idea that skin color can make you a dehumanized target in the eyes of white law and society. Mostly I regret how long it took me to understand that.

[Zeitghost]

43. Getting in a high speed chase...

Getting in a high speed chase trying to evade police with children in the car who are not buckled. What could possibly go wrong?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

49. It wasn't a chase until the cop took off after him.

[uponit7771]

54. +1, ... and the cop isn't saying the person was a danger to himself or people around him or ...

... even that he saw a weapon etc etc, nothing.

The cop just speed after the guy and killed his kid, this is fuckin sad

[uponit7771]

53. ... everything for those who still give all cops all the benefit of the doubt all the time. Or ...

... people who are validly in fear of cops going nuts on them get out of the area.

[msfiddlestix]

55. Seems like Gov Cuomo better effing step the eff up

this psychotic dressed in a police uniform just cannot be employed by the PD after that.

no way in hell, can that be a real thing.

[Niagara]

57. The local mayor is the elected chief executive of any Police Dpt.

Not the Governor.





EDIT: This is assuming that the "patrolman" is on the city PD. If he's a State Trooper the chief executive would be the State Superintendent .

[Crunchy Frog]

62. Article said it was a state trooper.