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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAn Alabama mom faces jail for filling a doctor's prescription while pregnant.
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An Alabama mom battling chronic back pain faces felony charges for refilling her prescription while pregnant in a case her attorneys say tests the limits of legal protections for women receiving medical care.
Kim Blalock had back problems before she became pregnant. She suffered from arthritis and degenerative disc disease. Surgical complications and a car accident the year before her pregnancy made her pain even worse.
Blalock, a married stay-at-home mother of six, managed her condition under the care of a local orthopedist. He prescribed hydrocodone, one of the most common medications for patients with chronic pain. It enabled the 36-year-old to keep up with her young children and two older teens.
There are days that I cant get up, said Blalock, who lives in Florence in north Alabama. There are days where Im OK, and there are days that are just horrible. It is debilitating. I have a lot of pain and limited mobility, and Ive got two little kids (and older ones) who need me all day.
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Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)Why have six children in the midst of chronic health and pain problems that are specifically exacerbated by pregnancy and childcare? I don't think she should face jail time, of course, but I have to question her choices in life.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)she is able to keep up.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)Why would someone so disabled by pain and stiffness that they have to take hydrocodone just to GET UP and take care of their current kids, go on to have a fourth, fifth, sixth kid? I can't imagine being a mother to six on daily narcotic pain meds. But to put yourself deliberately into that situation...why?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)work hard to keep living as normal a life as possible for a variety of reasons -- most of all, because they're human.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)What if this was her first kid? Or second? Would you the argue she shouldnt have kids because of her back issue? Should she have an abortion because of it? Should it be forced? None of these questions are relevant to the issue!
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)able to care for them while whacked out on pain meds for a condition that is only going to worsen. I'd question why someone has serial abortions. I guess I'm allowed to question things, don't you think? I'm not saying things should be illegal, but I'm also saying, maybe you should reassess.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)You can questions all that shot if you want. It isnt relevant to the question as to whether someone should be treated as a criminal for taking prescribed pain medications for a diagnosed medical issue.
We are talking about legal issues here. Whether she had one kid or twenty nine makes no difference. All you are doing is passing judgement on her and overlooking the critical piece of the story.
But hey if you want to be the person that passes judgement on someone go right ahead. I am sure you know the entire story behind her situation and circumstances.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)on this news story to YOUR desired parameters and conclusions, but I'll just go on making up my own mind about things, without your "help". Thanks anyway.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and I am never wacked out
when you are in real pain, there is no "feel good" no "buzz"
just the ability to function in life
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)held criminally liable for what she has to do to function. But I also wouldn't advise her to try for that seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth kid. Because pregnancy and childbirth isn't helping her get better, and no, long-term necessary narcotic use is not ideal, although many people (such as yourself) have to live with that reality because it's what works. I get that. But if I was prescribed long-term narcotic pain relief for chronic back pain, I also wouldn't take up extreme weightlifting at the same time.
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MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Her body. Her choice.
End of.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)none of your business.
No one cares what your advice would be because it's NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)And thus, fair fodder for discussion on a General Discussion board. Have a great day.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Imo anyway.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)You're getting kinda messy here. Maybe you should reassess.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)I am absolutely amazed at what I am reading here.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)I was a mom to two. I stopped taking them three days post-op because they whacked me out, and took 800 milligrams ibuprofen instead. Just personal experience. I was a nurse, I know what narcotic pain meds do, these are common side effects. Again, if she needs them she needs them, I don't think she should be held legally liable for doing what she has to do to function, but it's not the best scenario.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)I was narcotic-naive, having only had them for childbirth and surgery. This lady probably isn't. But still, there's a reason they don't want you operating heavy machinery or flying a plane on that stuff.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I am allowed up to 8 a day.
I have already taken 3
and I am never wacked out
when you are in real pain, there is no "feel good" no "buzz"
just the ability to function in life
iluvtennis
(19,874 posts)I can't take my regular sumitriptan migraine medicine (can only take two doses of sumitriptan in 24 hour period).
As you said, there is no "buzz" when you are trying to eliminate that hardcore pain. Those who don't know pain are the only ones who would say there is some damn "buzz".
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)this type of legitimate prescribed narcotic use. I said "goofy" because that's what they do to me--in other words, not exhibiting sound judgment, not speaking or reacting properly. This is also what I observed from some patients. I did not get a buzz or high from my brief experience on these meds. I did not accuse anyone, here or in the news story, of recreational abuse, drug seeking behavior or addiction, nor did I use those terms against anyone.
iluvtennis
(19,874 posts)responding to terminology used upstream
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)anyone is taking meds for anything other than pain relief, including the woman in this article.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I am allowed up to 8 a day.
I have already taken 3
and I am never wacked out
when you are in real pain, there is no "feel good" no "buzz"
just the ability to function in life
Mosby
(16,358 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)forms, as well as personal experience. I'm not sure why people here are pretending that narcotic pain relief doesn't have common side effects and some real downsides--that's why they're controlled substances, that's why they sometimes lead to addiction. They're pretty serious business. They shouldn't be denied to people who need them, but who's going to argue with me that it's just like taking an aspirin?
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)I did experience a slight sense of euphoria, but then again, not being in agony has the same effect.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)You are all over the page Wingus.
mgardener
(1,819 posts)Why do you Think you have the right to apply it to others?
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)my "personal experience", or are they medical facts? Are we pretending that these are not controlled substances with real consequences now? Is that where we're at?
PatSeg
(47,602 posts)If there is a problem with the pain medication during a pregnancy, then the focus should be on the doctor who knowingly prescribed them. Why does all the responsibility fall on the woman, who is doing everything she can to cope with her pain and raise her children?
irisblue
(33,032 posts)you are allowed to have opinions, and other DUers are allowed to tell you that your opinion is judgy
dianaredwing
(406 posts)I wouldn't want to live like that, but she has every right to, just as women should have the right to make the decision about abortion. Unfortunately, in a democracy, sometimes you don't always agree with both sides of the law. That being said, if Alabama has the right to declare she cannot have an abortion, it also has the right to say she can't get the meds if the meds are detrimental to the fetus.
ShazamIam
(2,575 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)Same body, same right to choose, same principles.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)start to wonder WTF is up with you, and why you're not making better choices.
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)ShazzieB
(16,529 posts)Some of us are wondering wtf is up with a lot of the commenters in here and why they're not making better choices.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Her pain management is between her and her doctor. You have nothing whatsoever to say about it. Neither does the law.
You have an opinion. That's fine, but voicing such an opinion reflects on you, not on that mother. It's not a good look, either.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)Using the woman's own words about her life and circumstances. If you and I don't reach the same conclusions about it, that's OK. But I won't be bullied into group-think with "it's not a good look". I'm an honest person giving my honest opinion, and it's as valid as yours.
Lancero
(3,015 posts)Women having abortions need to make 'better choices in life'?
Sexist much? Oh well. At least you're honest about it.
jaxexpat
(6,849 posts)Must take responsibility for our lives. Too many children or too many abortions or prescription addiction or driving under the influence have a common factor. Personal irresponsibility. Looks like you've got the "nobody's guilty, it's all out of our control" folks in an alerted state. When you have 6 children you're irresponsible. When your on pain meds for chronic pain and still have more children you're derelict of responsible parenting. The truth will tell.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)jaxexpat
(6,849 posts)1. the world's overpopulated and anyone's personal sentiments are irrelevant
2. humans will not be around forever and that's, maybe, the best news the world's heard in a long time
irresponsible behavior is playing in traffic and you can't close the roads
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)but it appears to be a real threat here (on a DISCUSSION BOARD ) to question why someone repeatedly does something that appears detrimental to her own health and functioning AND to that of her children--I mean, it's discussed IN THE ARTICLE, in her own words, all about her six pregnancies as her condition grew worse over time, her difficulties in caring for her children--right up until she took hydrocodone without telling the prescribing doctor and her baby tested positive for the drug. I'm not prying into her life. This is what's up for discussion from a NEWS STORY. But I didn't draw the appropriate, pre-approved conclusions that some here feel we should all spout. I'll repeat: I don't think she should be criminally liable, she has real problems and that won't solve it. However, this is also not a good situation, to keep having children and becoming more disabled after each one, and having to be on narcotics just to do the basics of child care.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)You know, like the 19 and counting crew.
RegularJam
(914 posts)Because many of us believe this should be a violation of constitutional rights. Its being discussed because the state has overstepped its bounds. Something you agree with, and have consistently maintained.
I want to highlight an inconsistency in your argument. In one and only one of your posts you added a qualifier. You made the statement that narcotics make people feel goofy unless you have a tolerance. Its that second part that never showed back up in your arguments again, even though you repeated other points regularly.
Its inconsistent to call someone whacked out while also showing you do understand the difference in impact with acute use and long term use.
Knowing you understand that, do you think someone prescribed these medications for chronic pain might have a tolerance?
As someone who rarely takes meds like this they make me goofy AF.
Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)You've got an opinion that many others disagree with. They're just as entitled to express their opinions as you are....
DAngelo136
(265 posts)It's nobody's business. Not yours, not mine and certainly not the state's. Just as it's nobody's business why someone chooses to terminate a pregnancy, the same holds true in the matter of why someone wants to get pregnant.
While you are free to speculate on the matter, I prefer to live and let live. Something that the state of Alabama refuses to do. And THAT endangers the liberties of all of us more than some unfortunate pregnant woman who wants relief from her back pain.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)She chose to have six children over the years while undergoing a condition that worsened with each pregnancy, and necessitated narcotics that ended up in her child's blood. She chose not to tell her prescribing doctor that she was pregnant when prescribed these medications. These are all choices she made, and she is in the news because of them. I am not questioning her religious beliefs, her cooking or her clothing. Everything I question is directly relevant to the reason why she's in the news. I don't need you or anybody else to dictate what I pay attention to in a news story.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)You find that question offensive?
Well, I find your question offensive. It had been 4 years since her previous pregnancy, and you're assuming that she got pregnant on purpose and criticizing her for it. (And the fact that she had several children when she was healthy has nothing to do with this.)
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Is both unpredictable as to when it hurts and the pain from it can be downright terrifying.
I take 800 mg Motrin and 2 extra strength. Tylenol at the same time to manage it most days.
I have a back binder with stays in it for days it hurts bad.
What happened to that woman is criminal. Fucking control freak republican assholes. Anything to make women be kept powerless and suffering .
Fuck you GQP..
dawg day
(7,947 posts)They punish women for getting pregnant and staying pregnant....
They punish women for bearing the child if she's poor.
I think there's a pattern here.
mopinko
(70,225 posts)maybe 2 more- one on each side of the original double plate.
my da had a collapsed lumbar vertebrae from a tumor when i was knee high. he was haunted by the pain. he tried the corset but couldnt stand it.
spent his last decade in a haze of drugs and pain.
these fetus police make me nuts.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)I take brutal uncompromising views of the people who can't feel my pain but want to determine what relief I can or can't use. But this Nazi action by Alabama - unforgivable.
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)There may be a slight increase in birth defects with the drug she is on, and while trying alternative means of pain control is wise, nobody should be forced to endure severe, debilitating pain for nine months and of courses pregnancy can make low back pain even worse.
I suffer from degenerative discs and several injuries from car accidents. While I don't take opioids, I could not function without some form of medication at times (Motrin, CBD, glass of wine, etc.)
I hate Republicans who make women suffer - they are monsters.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)From your degenerative disc disease is managed well.
It sucks like hell when the pain flares up
and you can barely make it to the bathroom doesn't it?
Haven't had breakthrough pain in a long time tho.
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)And you have to fight through the pain to clean up that pisses me off.
I nearly died with my second. I was on a huge cocktail of drugs to keep us both alive. I cant imagine what this poor woman is going through.
Walleye
(31,056 posts)Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
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Elessar Zappa
(14,063 posts)No one has a right to tell a woman what to do in regards to pregnancy.
David__77
(23,511 posts)
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)So thats not exactly true.
Ocelot II
(115,858 posts)Given her back problems, having another child might not have been the wisest choice for her (or maybe her birth control failed), but she still shouldn't be prosecuted for taking prescribed medication.
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)Aristus
(66,462 posts)Multiple childbirths, usually starting at three or more, can cause a condition caused sacroileitis, inflammation of the sacroiliac joints, where the spine joins with the pelvis.
You can see the joints from the rear, those two little dimples on either side of the lower spine. Repeated expansion and contraction of the pelvic girdle from childbirth can cause the S/I joints to become loosey-goosey (that's the clinical term) over time. And this can cause pain and inflammation.
As stated above, no one should have a say over a woman's reproductive choices but herself. But when the body starts fighting back after multiple childbirths, it may be time to hang up your ovaries and call it a day.
I don't think she's in the wrong here. Her doctor is. And if he is going to write inappropriate prescriptions for a pregnant mother, the pharmacist should at least have counseled her on potential side effects.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They ask you if you are pregnant before they do anything, even if you are 60.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)lower back pain/pelvic pain. Sometimes permanently.
slightlv
(2,840 posts)Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)How the hell do you get there?
Jesus fucking christ next will you tell her to hold an aspirin between her knees?
Holy hell I have seen it all on DU now!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)My body, my choice - as long as it comes to abortions, but not when I choose to have children?
Bettie
(16,126 posts)I mean, my body my choice means, well, she gets to choose for herself.
Bettie
(16,126 posts)Women can choose to have children or not.
The story isn't about weather it is her right to be pregnant or not, it is about her facing charges for a legal prescription.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Progressives stay out of womens' reproductive choices. Period.
Nunnayer Bidness. Nope.
Ocelot II
(115,858 posts)peggysue2
(10,839 posts)God forbid had this woman miscarried during the pregnancy; she'd been facing manslaughter/murder charges.
This is the future awaiting women in the current Republican worldview.
You have crippling pain? You're taking a pain medication prescribed by a doctor while pregnant? Your ass is grass!
Wake up, America!
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)take gander at some of the replies in this thread.
ShazzieB
(16,529 posts)Some of these replies are deeply disturbing. Definitely not what I expect from DU.
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)Hadn't read some of the responses.
ripcord
(5,537 posts)It shouldn't rise to the level of a crime but it was irresponsible.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)It could've been a med prescription that could possibly cause a birth defect. Having lost a baby to a birth defect, this is a touchy pt for me.
But making this criminal? H no!
JI7
(89,271 posts)I don't see a legal issue here. I thought the story was going to be about her faking prescriptions but if the doctor prescribed it to her then she shouldn't face legal trouble.
poli-junkie
(1,007 posts)women move about the world.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)The same people prosecuting her for taking pain medication prescribed by her doctor would probably condemn her if she had chosen to have an abortion.
onethatcares
(16,185 posts)what's the daddy do? Is he a business owner that is away all the time? Is he working his fingers to the bone to help pay for childcare throughout the week?
Or does he just play the role of a father?
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)It is none of our business. She may well be a single mother, for all I know. She shouldn't have to suffer terrible pain. Her doctor agrees. What business is it of the State of Alabama or any of us?
onethatcares
(16,185 posts)and I'm wondering what her husband does to sustain their relationship and support 6 kids. Not an out of bounds question by any means.
As far as it being her own body, I totally agree.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 22, 2021, 02:00 PM - Edit history (1)
The story is about a wrongful arrest of and charges against a woman who is following her doctor's advice. That is all it is about. Nothing else is any of our business.
Not in any way.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)bahboo
(16,358 posts)slightlv
(2,840 posts)And this country wonders why we have such a high suicide rate?!!! Dang, I never thought I'd see a conversation going on in DU like this. I'd put this up to the Hillary/Bernie wars on DKOS. After being a years-long lurker, I finally registered, and now am thinking I need to back out of here. I don't feel like I belong.
I'm disabled, and I not only feel not wanted around here now but humiliated. I've got lupus SLE, degenerative disk disease, sciatica, a replaced hip, and the surgeons won't even touch my back anymore. Until the lupus kicked into gear, I managed to make it to work and back for years and be a "contributing" member of society... but only with my pain management. People have lost their damned minds over this issue AFAIC. One year before the pandemic, I requested 2 days telework to help manage my bad lupus days. I ended up being forced out of work and into early retirement. One year after the pandemic, a minimum of 3 days telework is now required of everyone, and I'm still bitter about that.
But the main reason I wanted to keep on with pain mgmt wasn't work... or keep up with the housework... it was to be able to walk my freaking dog and play with my cats. I wanted to continue to go to the park with friends and travel in a car more than 20 miles at a time. I wanted to enjoy my kid and my nephew. IOW, I wanted as much of my "old" ablist life back as I could possibly get. And how dare anyone fault me for those desires! Like someone said up thread, if you take the meds AS THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE TAKEN you don't get "high." It's not fun. It just enables you to move without screaming in agony, dang it. And my DH, who used to had bad trouble with heroin, etc., as as teen, explains that anyone who does go crazy on the pills or the dope is because they can't love themselves. Those of us secure enough in our persons to know we love and are loved don't need that addicting aspect.
I had ONE child and SHE was the start of my back problems, so don't tell me pregnancy has no effect on the back! The spinal column is one of the weakest areas of the body, and many of us start out life behind the 8-ball thanks to genetics and genetic predispositions. My daughter has had 3 kids, is as active as I was at that age, and is already on the way to what every other woman in her family has suffered with her back and hips. She's also long haul covid. She's trying to maintain on the OTC stuff, which in my estimation is nothing but a bunch of lies they sell you in order to take your money and leave you still writing in pain. The only bigger OTC drug racket, IME, is weight loss pills.
And, because everyone HAS lost their freaking mind over the bugaboo narcotics, pain management clinics have become the newest black hole where all your money can get sucked down while the pain still sucks you down into darker holes. The whole conversation might as well be harkening back to the early days when whatever was wrong with women was chalked up to "hysteria." And not one person in this conversation has brought up the number of suicides they tout as pandemic... which are actually due to illegal drugs because you can't get a doc to prescribe anymore, the state won't let you have, or the damned pharmacists think they've suddenly become doctors.
I love animals. I push my pain for animals. I rescue; I foster; I find forever homes; I take care of 2 colonies, and I TNR. Is that smart? Well, given my bad back, duh... no. But do I REALLY want to spend the rest of my life laying in a bed doing nothing just so I don't have to take pain meds? Give me a freaking break. I find my fulfillment at this late age in helping the very least among us, IME. I swear, my daughter collects foster sons like I collect foster kittens, and the kids are better for her love and attention and advocacy. And each one of those kids is learning responsibility for themselves and the family because they DO have to help her out because of her back. Egads, people... what the hell ever happened to walking a mile in someone else's shoes... or souls.
I apologize for the probable overall tone. Hell, I don't know if I'll hit post or not. But we women are losing our civil rights and liberties right and left. And it's a hell of a lot harder to get them back once they're gone. I've seen all my life where women tend to be women's worst enemies. And I'm so sick of it. We either stick together and stand up for one another... whether or not we're in the exact same position or not... or we all may as well go buy habits and hijabs now. Because I truly believe it's coming to that.
I'm intensely angry at having fought for abortion rights back in the 60's and 70's and having to do the same damn thing all over again now when I'm nearly 70 yo. But I am NOT going to judge any other woman for her "predicament" whether that's another abortion, a stronger BC pill, or a damned pain pill to keep on keeping on with daily life. And all those of you who can manage your pain with OTC aspirin, etc., more power to you. Just realize, your day WILL be coming when you're in the same boat as the rest of us out here, and I'll lay odds you're not going to want to give up whatever makes your life worth living. And there'll probably still be people around denigrating those who are dependent on pain meds for daily life. Used to be, you peed in the cup to prove you weren't using. Now they make you pee in a cup to prove you're not selling your drugs, while taking your office copay for every refill script. It's a truly screwed up existence that no one actually wishes upon themselves, and the number they "allow" you to have during a single month is nothing that would get a normal person with chronic pain "whacked out." IME, that's someone who has a drug sensitivity. And it takes YEARS to come off regular no-problem "happy pills".... where someone like me who runs out of meds 3-5 days before they can be refilled feels pain, but no weirdo strung out issues that "everyone" says we have. Gods, it makes me sick how people with chronic pain... especially women... are treated anymore. If this woman finds her fulfillment and joy in 10 children, I'll likely condemn her for being a right wing xtianist nutcase Quivverfull. But that's the end of the judgement. Her pain management should have nothing to do with it. And the State, especially has no business inserting themselves first in her reproductive freedom and second between her doctor and her other medical conditions, IMNSHO.
And, despite being on pain meds, I still can't fire dance like I did with great abandon back in the early days, and if there were a pill, a surgery, a procedure, that would allow me to give myself back to nature and the dance again, you can be danged sure I'd be first in line to get it. Which is the other hot button issue involved in this. They have no right to force their christian fears down my throat. I'm a witch and damned proud of it.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)Ill be honest; Im afraid of losing sharpness and the ability to do what I lovewrite, teach, administrate a non-profit, etc.by taking the opioids that are now being prescribed for me. But a combination of arthritis and something too complicated to go into but that seems to be impinging on the nerves in the same leg whose arthritic knee is killing me has knocked my mobility for a loop this last year. I tried Lyrica and thought Id lost my mind. Weirdest mental effect Ive ever felt, and I did do a few things way back in the day. Im trying every other thing I can, PT, anti-inflammatory diet, CBD, other physical approaches, but the thing that kept me going, anti-inflammatory drugs, are out due to a blood clot that now has me on a blood thinner.
So now I hurt. And Ive been given opioids so I can sleep, with permission to take them 3x daily if necessary. Im fighting it like mad, but Im about to throw in the towel. I honestly have no moral issue. Im just paranoid. I know I can stop if it doesnt work and I know me; addiction isnt much of a risk.
But man, after hurting for weeks and months and seeing my potential for doing anything fun get worse and worsewell, I know you know.
So if you do get fed up with DU, and I know I do at times like this, know you made me feel a little less doomed. 😍
Deep State Witch
(10,458 posts)Alabama allows pharmacists to make medical decisions for women.
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)I don't care what good intentions created the bill, and I doubt those good intentions, it has turned into just another way to go after women.
I doubt the good intentions because once a door is cracked for one reason, someone always plans on ramming it the rest of the way open for another reason. Especially when it comes to women and their reproductive rights.
We're protecting the fetus from addiction and danger from illegal drugs like meth becomes women if you take legal drugs you need we will come after you.
Addiction should be treated as a sickness because it is. When that is the case.
Women with chronic pain shouldn't be attacked or jailed for legally prescribed drugs for dealing with the pain. While pregnant or otherwise.
I don't care if she told her orthopedist about her pregnancy or not. Yeah, I don't care if she signed a pain management contract or not.
Her body. Her needs (pain management). Her choices. Legal.
I wish noses would literally rot off to mark those who want to control the bodies of women.
We'd always know where (and who) they are because of the foul stench emanating from slowly (and painful) decaying flesh. You'd smell them before you could see them.
cab67
(3,007 posts)I'm normally four-square behind leaving all such decisions up to the patient and doctor. But I, personally, would not be comfortable seeing an orthopedist who would consent to a pregnant patient taking hydrocodone - it's powerful stuff and can impact the developing fetus.
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)And even so, if you haven't had conversations with this particular woman to evaluate the risks for her going without pain medication (or alternative medications - if there are some she can tolerate), it's really none of your business.
Like all other medical decisions that involve balancing a complex set of risks, it is really up to the doctor and patient to evaluate and make the best decision for her unique circumstances.
cab67
(3,007 posts)(Not an MD, but my PhD is in the biological field.)
I know enough about these drugs to be wary of their use during pregnancy. Pain management is no small thing, but anything ingested by a pregnant woman makes its way to the growing fetus.
I didn't say my opinion should have played a role in their decision. Like you said, it's not my business. The woman can also chain smoke while she's pregnant - also not my business. But that doesn't mean I have to think it was a good call on the orthopedist's part.
EndlessWire
(6,569 posts)They're just going to make sure that they ruin her and her family's finances for a long time. Take that, little lady, how dare you take a legal prescription.
Alabama -- another effed up state I wouldn't live in.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)according to the al.com story.
Maggiemayhem
(811 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)with a DEA number can prescribe any medications they see fit for their patient. They understand medication more than a state.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)prescribed it--that's why Alabama is going after her. The orthopedist in question has said he would have weaned her off the hydrocodone had he known she was pregnant. Her baby was born with the drug in its system, although not sure there was any detrimental effects. Had there been any birth issues, the orthopedist would have been in some potential trouble. She's maintaining that "he didn't ask, so it's not her fault".
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)if a woman is pregnant -- at the very least to ask her if it's possible.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)In the strictest sense, based on medical knowledge, her doctor is at fault for prescribing the medication. In a moral sense, given her interview and her familiarity with the drug, she understood that it wasn't the best case scenario to be on the medication during the pregnancy. It could have ended up worse than it did.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)drug they asked me if I was pregnant. I was >65 at the time. I howled and was told yeah, I know, but we have to ask and document.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Last I checked the First Amendment also covered compelled speech. This case is an authoritarian nightmare.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)who wanted to keep his or her license and not be sued out of existence would want to be kept in the dark about a patient's pregnancy while prescribing any drug, let alone narcotic pain relief.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)She did nothing wrong.
Lancero
(3,015 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I can't get my teeth cleaned without being asked if my health has changed since my last visit.
Warpy
(111,352 posts)Remember all the hyperventilation and knee jerking over "crack babies?" Turns out the kids developed normally once the drug cleared their systems within days. Some were left behind, but studies found that was due to poverty, not drugs.
Opiates are even kinder to body systems, especially when prescribed and taken according to directions.
There is no indication the baby was in any sort of withdrawal, only that a test was positive.
This should be handled medically. Law enforcement needs to butt out, none of this is a criminal matter.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)have prescribed the dosage she was on at her stage of pregnancy. That's in the article. I have stated I don't think she should be treated in a criminal manner. But I also don't feel she exhibited the most responsible behavior.
Warpy
(111,352 posts)A call to her OB-Gyn for guidance would have been appropriate, but I can tell you that overwhelming pain can interfere with finer points of judgment.
The questions here are:
1. Did she do anything illegal? NO.
2. Did she injure her baby? Extremely unlikely.
3. Does a pregnant woman merit medical treatment or is she to be reduced to the contents of her uterus? That's the real questuion here, the DA wants to strip women of the right to medical treatment of their own.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)good for anybody. Her pain should have been managed optimally for her, her baby and her family. But she didn't help herself by not treating her doctors as partners in her care. Most women know you don't withhold that type of information when being prescribed medications. That's just common sense. She may have been afraid that she wouldn't be able to get pain relief otherwise, but it's still inappropriate.
Warpy
(111,352 posts)She's got 6 other children and it's Alabama and a DA on the make considered her low hanging fruit. Chances are excellent she's on Medicaid and getting through to doctors who take Medicaid patients takes the patience of a saint, something in short supply for a woman overwhelmed by pain.
Remember, she disclosed to the hospital that she had taken opiates, it's the only reason they tested the baby. She wanted them to know just in case a problem arose. There is no indication that they'd have done the screen, otherwise. This is not an uncaring mother.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)which I do believe she is. You can be a good and well meaning person and still benefit from better advice or wiser life decisions. Six children are dependent on her, regardless. She needs help managing, and criminal charges are unwarranted and will only hurt her family.
Warpy
(111,352 posts)and she was neither. The hospital might never have known had she not alerted them.
Lancero
(3,015 posts)Not disclosing her pregnancy? She isn't a doctor - It's not her responsibility to determine what is and isn't medically relevant information.
The doctor had that responsibility, to ask medically relevant questions. Why blame her for the doctors failings?
Lets take a accounting of some of your comments in this thread. Women are making bad choices when they have kids. They make bad choices when the have a abortion. And now, they're responsible because their doctors can't do their jobs right?
Can you, you know, try making a argument that doesn't attack women?
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)in asking the question.
As it was, the potential harm to the baby in the last several weeks of pregnancy sounds no worse than the colic my newborn had.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Next....
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She was under no obligation to tell the Doctor that she was pregnant. It is not like she would necessarily know drug side effects anyway (maybe if she was in the Medical or Medical research field, which looks like she isnt).
I know that before my Doctor even change a script dose for me, he asks a lot of questions to insure that the change wont cause problems.
Warpy
(111,352 posts)Hydrocodone is one of the milder opiates. Even if it had been heroin at addicts' doses, the newborn would have had a tough few days and then have developed normally.
This mom was in serious pain that interfered with caring for herself, a living human being, and her six living children, in any case. She was caught between having a newborn test positive for opiates and being charged with neglect because she was unable to care for her children due to pain.
This should not be in court. Should they look at why a newborn tests positive for a substance? Sure, but it should be handled medically, this is not a legal problem since it was a legal prescription issued for medical necessity and there is no indication she took more of it than was prescribed.
There's an asshole DA in there somewhere bucking for higher office. I hope he goes down in flames, but Alabama.
Rocknation
(44,577 posts)...Blalock (was) charged...with prescription fraud for not telling her orthopedist she was pregnant....(According to)...District Attorney Chris Connolly...It is alleged that the defendant obtained hydrocodone from a medical doctor while she was pregnant without disclosing to the doctor that she was pregnant...Had the defendant disclosed her pregnancy, she would have been weaned off of the hydrocodone by the medical doctor.
Blalock said her doctor and nurses never asked about pregnancy...(and that) she told her obstetrician about the pain pills...Connolly said she did not (and that she) had a responsibility to inform her doctors...The doctor did not respond to requests for comment...
Good judgment ISN'T her strong point, is it?
Rocknation
Ocelot II
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niyad
(113,576 posts)Women's Rights And Issues? Thanks in advance.
niyad
(113,576 posts)seems to be fond of doing things that I had not instructed, I had to check to see if I had suddenly been switched elsewhere.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)RegularJam
(914 posts)And that the Dr did his job and explained the additional pain that comes to her simply by being pregnant, not that she doesnt know.