Want to End the Filibuster? Here's a sure way:

[MineralMan]

Get out the freaking vote in 2022 and have a solid majority in the Senate. It's simple. Make the Democratic turnout in November of 2022 an all-time record, and we win. Until then, it's unlikely that the filibuster will be killed.

DO THAT!

[Walleye]

1. Yes. And limit these intraparty disputes at least until we win the midterms

[andym]

2. Not a sure way, because the House may be lost anyways

due to gerrymandering, the census and new voter suppression laws which may be able to overcome a moderately large advantage in actual voters preferring Democrats. If the GOP wins the House, would it be wise to end the filibuster in the Senate?

[MineralMan]

7. If Democratic turnout sets new records for a mid-term election,

we'll add House seats, too. Just turn out Democrats in huge numbers and we win. It's so simple. No amount of naysaying will change that. Apathy will, though.

Dedicated voters turning out on election day, wherever the polling places are, will make all the difference.

[andym]

25. Quantiatively speaking how much of a majority do we need to keep the House?

The way such things are measured is typically on the generic congressional ballot poll. Just how huge do the numbers need to be? What number do we need to achieve to keep the House: 55%, 60%, 65%, 70% coupled with high turnout of course?

Without such goals, it is difficult to know if we are succeeding and always possible to say in hindsight if things go south that we failed because we didn't try hard enough.

And besides registering more Democrats and getting every Democrat who actually votes for Democrats to vote, how do we get there (to the needed number) or is that enough in your opinion?

[unweird]

3. Fired up, ready to go

Spread the word.

[MineralMan]

8. Thumbs UP!

[uponit7771]

4. K&R, We need a message to voters ... I'm thinking be scared of Republican violence and Crime.

Looking at the DNC Post mortem we need a surge in talking to Hispanic and Black voters Stacy Abrahms style.

[unblock]

5. If republicans ever win the trifecta, the filibuster will be gone

They'll ran through enough voting restrictions to make sure they never lose control again and the dwindling claim we have to being a democracy will be gone.

[WHITT]

6. Unfortunately

it won't likely work if the planned and already enacted voter suppression bills are not overturned. Because many of the legislatures included provisions for stripping the election officials from counting the votes, and the legislatures decide which votes are valid and which are not, and which ones to count. How the citizenry actually voted can be ignored.

[MineralMan]

10. Every one of those new bills will lose in court.

Think about it. We have federal laws that apply to such things. We also have the Constitution. Make no mistake, the cases are all ready to file, even before such bills have passed. If they do pass, the cases will be filed immediately in federal court.

Work on turnout. Let the courts handle the laws. Don't let worry or discouragement keep you from maximizing the Democratic vote. That's the answer, regardless of everything else.

[WHITT]

20. But

will they lose in court before the '22 elections? Keep in mind they would appeal at least to the federal appeals courts, and the SCOTUS would likely let their rulings stand.

[MineralMan]

21. I don't know. Neither do you.

Here's the thing: The cases will be filed. There will be rulings by various courts. The restrictions being put in place by some states are patently unconstitutional. Even the current Supreme Court will recognize that.

Yes, they can get overturned before the 2022 elections. Action will be taken or is already being taken.

Are you suggesting that those cases not be filed? That is the alternative, you see. State legislatures and Governors do stupid things. Those things are often struck down by the courts, and will be in these cases, as well.

[WHITT]

22. Of Course They'll Be Filed

The rulings won't impact the '22 elections.

[MineralMan]

23. They Wont?

Tell me more about your experience with the federal court system. Are you an attorney who pleads cases in federal court? Explain why they won't have an impact on the 2022 elections. Apparently you have information we don't know. So, let's hear it.

[WHITT]

26. How Long

did it take for the subpoena for Donnie's White House counsel to be appealed so he had to testify in front of Congress?

There's your answer.

[CrackityJones75]

17. Please stop.

This is a debbie downer post that does absolutely nothing but tamp down enthusiasm.

Please stop with these sorts of posts.

Thank you.

[WHITT]

24. Are You Kidding?

Please get your head out of the sand like an ostrich. Obama sees the threat:

"All of us as citizens have to recognize that the path towards an undemocratic America is not gonna happen in just one bang," It happens "in a series of steps," Obama said, citing the devolution of places like Hungary and Poland.

[CrackityJones75]

27. Right. Do you understand that Obama agrees with me?

Maybe you need to re-read Obama’s quote a few more times.

[WHITT]

30. No

Obama most certainly does not agree with you. He believes our democracy is at risk, and not something to be downplayed. Taking the same course as Hungary and Poland and becoming a fascist state is not something to be ignored.

[CrackityJones75]

32. At what point did I say it wasn't?

And at what point did I downplay what is happening?

What I will not subscribe to is that all will be lost and that there is no use continuing the fight if we do not get SR1 passed.

I will fight until there is absolutely nothing left to fight for and the defeat of SR1 while devastating will not be the end of our democracy.

So please stop telling people that it is.

[WHITT]

33. More Ostrich

the defeat of SR1 while devastating will not be the end of our democracy. So please stop telling people that it is.

Don't take my word.

David Plouffe, the former White House senior adviser to President Barack Obama, during his appearance on 'The Last Word' with Lawrence O'Donnell last night said:

the Republicans are serious as a heart attack about ending our democracy and so we have to take this step. There's two ways. We get rid of the filibuster entirely or we have a carve-out. If we don't do that then it's all empty words.

[brooklynite]

9. Are you under the impression that only Manchin and Sinema are in favor of the filibuster?

[MineralMan]

11. No, I'm not.

They're just the ones in the news. Are you under the impression that voter turnout doesn't matter?

[brooklynite]

12. Are you asking if voter turnout will get us the Senators to overturn the filibuster?

I wouldn't get my hopes up. The likely pickups are in NC, PA and WI, and I don't think the filibuster is going to be a pivotal campaign issue.

[MineralMan]

13. I'm not asking anything. I'm saying that if we can manage to get

a record turnout of Democrats in 2022, we will succeed. A RECORD turnout! Instead of saying it can't be done, just do it, and you'll see.

Try it. We never manage to do that. Let's change that, OK?

[CrackityJones75]

18. Agreed MM!

I really do not understand the posts on here basically saying “why bother”.

[MineralMan]

19. You often see that sentiment from people in states where

Democrats almost always win. It's a defeatist attitude that hurts turnout.

I do not like defeatism. Not one bit.

[StarfishSaver]

14. You mean

threatening not to vote in 2022, thereby making it more likely that the Republicans will regain control of the House and Senate isn't an effective political strategy for ensuring elimination of the filibuster?

[betsuni]

15. Heh.

[MineralMan]

16. Ya think?

Sometimes we're our own worst enemy, it seems. I wish we'd stop doing that, you know?

[lagomorph777]

28. If we don't end the Filibuster now and pass voting rights reform, 2022 will end democracy.

[LanternWaste]

29. Insightful lecture regarding the specifics of what we we need to do.

I bet no one has thought of it.

Until now.

[MineralMan]

31. Give it up.

I won't bite.