Rethuglikon deregulation brought that building down.

[Imallin4Joe]

159 are still missing.

This is 100% due to deregulation and lax building enforcemennt.

[canetoad]

1. I wish you'd wait

For some evidence before making accusations.

Please read:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215558334

[cstanleytech]

4. Aye, there are so many potential things that could have caused it that its best to wait to see

what the investigation determines what the most likely cause or causes were.

[634-5789]

2. A local structural engineer ha a thoery...

....that it may be to blame high tides and salt water. Personally, I think it may be too early to assume anything until the FEMA team gets in there.

[Ptah]

3. Do you have any evidence?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

5. we can no longer expect an honest assessment.

Gone are the days of mea culpas and responsible people stepping up to take it on the chin. Bribery gets most landlords out of be responsible.

[SheltieLover]

6. It should never have been built on "reclaimed" wetlands imho

Greed reins supreme in FL.

Sounds like a Carl Hiaasen novel, but this isn't funny.

[bluecollar2]

7. It wasn't built on reclaimed wetlands

Those are on the other side ( west) of the island according to a local engineer...his theory is salt water intrusion into the structure is the most likely culprit.

[SheltieLover]

8. That's what I'd read.

Ty for sharing.

[bluecollar2]

9. Your point is well made though

For instance, San Francisco has a lot of building that has been done on landfill...not very stable under the right circumstances. During the last major quake in 81 large sections of the Marina district were severely damaged.

👍

[SheltieLover]

11. That hardly sounds stable!

[ecdab]

10. That's probably a part of it.

Deferred maintenance is usually the cause of concrete structural failures.

Generally speaking, most people don't understand concrete structures, so they need help to make choices about what needs to be done. Local governments are typically underfunded to the point that assistance to building owners is negligible and their ability to provide assistance to individual property owners/renter is almost nonexistent. Building owners often know much less about buildings than the general public would like to believe. Facility management is often about deferring as much as possible to protect the short term bottom line. Covid 19 and the dominoes that have spread out from that root cause have caused numerous construction projects to be deferred and/or delayed. The risk/reward evaluation process regarding GO or NO GO on projects in the face of Covid has been all over the place and often not rational.

We've become a nation of short term thinkers. Both public infrastructure and private holdings are sufferings as a result. These kind of problems are going to accelerate in the coming years.

[Klaralven]

15. Many HOAs hire property management companies to do operations and maintenance functions

Wonder whether this condo HOA had hired a property management company?

[griloco]

12. I'll know it's deregulation when Republicans start blaming Hillary...

[IcyPeas]

13. DeSantis wants to "identify and eliminate those burdensome government regulations":

Link to tweet

?s=20

[malaise]

16. Great post

[MOMFUDSKI]

14. I live in a 2-story townhouse 4 blocks from the Gulf of Mexico

and it is built of concrete block for the first level and wood frame for the second story/roof. There is one 10-ft long lintel above the patio holding up the balcony above the patio. That lintel is made of rebar-enforced concrete and the townhouses are now 28 years old. These lintels have, for the past 8 years or so, crumbled because the rebar rusted from the salt air intruding into the concrete. They are being replaced with wood beams approved by the Building Dept. I am thinking that is what happened to the condo building. Will wait for the official report but I have seen the results of salt air on concrete reinforced with rebar. That is all.

[Klaralven]

17. Prior to Jeb Bush in '99, Florida had only had two Republican governors

Claude Kirk, one term, elected '66 and Bob Matinez, one term, elected '86.

So the buildings were built in a thoroughly Democratic state.

[Renew Deal]

18. Do you have any examples?