I am ambivalent about Trump running in 2024

[drray23]

On one hand, I am thinking this may prevent more sinister candidates like De Santis from running. The idea would be that Trump should be easy to beat again.

On the other hand, my faith in the wisdom of American people is limited. There is always the possibility that he could somehow win.

[Dream Girl]

1. My feeling exactly.

But he was my preferred candidate in 2016 because I figured Hillary would annihilate that clown.

[Lemon Lyman]

8. -

I felt the exact opposite. I was scared to run against him in 2016 b/c I thought all the goobers at local bars and restaurants (here in IA and everywhere else) would be enthused and turn out to vote for him.

1) Because he's not PC (a decent person), so they then wouldn't have to be PC (or decent people). 2) Because he's openly racist, so they then could be open openly racist. 3) Because he's a bully, and they love bullies. 4) etc...

Conversely I thought Cruz would be easy to beat b/c he's creepy AF and he wouldn't inspire the goobers. The loonie gun people and loony jesus/abortion people would vote for an amoeba with an r behind its name. They were always going to show up. But all the other people - the aforementioned and those who believed all his bullsh*t lies about all the things he was going to do for them -- they would only show up for twitler.

I don't know if the post-election statistics bore that all out or not. I assume that's what happened though.

(Of course our Queen still got more votes despite having a country and an FBI director trying to sink her)

[Ms. Toad]

24. And you want a repeat of the 2016 disaster? n/t

[Dream Girl]

28. Why would you say tha??? I want a repeat of 2016? I didn't suggest that.

[Ms. Toad]

29. If you don't want a repeat of 2016, then don't hope for Trump to be a candidate.

Tons of Democrats hoped for Trump to be the Republican candidate in 2016 - some even voted in the Republican primary to help knock out competitors they believed were weaker. Suggesting it would be better to have Trump as a candidate in 2024 sure sounds to me like you are underestimating him - just like those who hoped he would be a candidate in 2016 did.

[Dream Girl]

31. Not really underestimating him, but I do think if he's indicted and convicted he would have much of

A chance. I know that his Magats will support him no matter wat.I think others would either not vote or vote third part/dem. I am not hoping for him as the nominee.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. I can see how Republicans don't want to bring up January 6th

in public because it airs their dirty laundry. But I just cannot imagine them wanting to risk it happening again, can you?

On the other hand, how could they stop it?. It's a speeding train completely out of control now. They had numerous chances to stop it and they didn't. Now they have absolutely no way to stop it now.

[drray23]

3. Only hope they have is that Trump gets sick or indicted

and embroiled in legal battle to stay out of jail.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. So who do you think they could get behind that they believe

could make a decent showing in 2024? Not pence, he had the magas trying to lynch him. Not Romney, he voted to impeach. Slimebag DeSantis?

I don't envy their plight. Of course they caused it by not backing away from Trump early on. But looking at it objectively, they are between a rock and a hard place. They lose all the trump loyalists and go with someone more sane = big loss. They go with someone like trump, they lose too many of the sane public vote = big loss. He already lost once! And that was before the insurrection.

[drray23]

12. I think De Santis.

Magats would get behind him and he is smarter, younger than Trump. I am worried most about him

[Mad_Machine76]

16. Beyond MAGATs

who or what is his appeal? What would he present that would challenge Biden? Not necessarily disagreeing but just curious.

[David__77]

32. He does not strike me as more talented than Trump.

…

[moose65]

7. Haha

The whole "Trump running again" thing makes me think of one of Robin Williams' lines from "The Birdcage":

It's like riding a psychotic horse toward a burning stable.

That line sums Trump up perfectly.

[Vinca]

4. I'm worried about all the crazy voting laws being passed in GOP states. There could be another

Biden vs. Trump race in 2024 and Biden could win a state by tens of thousands of votes and the GOP legislature might have a law in place to call it for Trump anyway.

[drray23]

6. that won't happen.

Firstly, I am confident we will manage to pass voting rights legislation one way or another. If not now, after 2022 when we get 2 or 3 more senate seats .

Meanwhile the doj suing those states will likely result in staying orders being issued and 2022 elections will be run on existing laws rather than the new ones. Resolving that in court will take more than a year.

Secondly, even this supreme court will not go for something as blatant as reversing an election.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. How does that work? How does Federal voting legislation

Supersede state?

[drray23]

15. because it does. That's what the constitution specifically says

at least for federal elections congress can make laws dictating how they should be run and this supercedes state laws. It's not the case for state elections however.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Yes... But for every single piece of state legislation?

Bet that would get complicated. I can see a state like Texas saying fu and doing it whatever way they wanted to do it and worry about the consequences later. The trump approach

[drray23]

26. ah but if this is contested the doj will ask the judge to put a stay on the new laws

until all the legal questions are resolved and if it drags in court because of appeals. 2022 will use the old laws because the new ones will be under a stay.

[uponit7771]

27. Only congressional elections not presidential but our congressional elections in this country

... happens at the same time the presidential ones do

[smirkymonkey]

14. That is my biggest worry.

They can only win if they cheat. And they are setting up the cheat right now. They know they will never win a fair election.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. And I kind of have to think that Republicans, in a way,

were secretly very glad that Democrats went on record over and over again saying this election was the safest ever. That statement will come back to haunt us I fear.

And I can't remember the guy's name but he was in charge of election security and then trump fired him? Too lazy to look his name up.

I often wondered why everyone took his words as gospel that the election was the safest ever when it was only a short time after the election. This seemed very not prudent to me. I would think a professional person would always say things look good now but we are still looking at lots of different angles.

[GoCubsGo]

5. As Gore Vidal said, this is The United States of Amnesia.

I wouldn't put anything past many of the people in this country--even bringing back in a racist, shitbag Putin puppet, who nearly destroyed this country, and is responsible for at least a half million deaths, so far. Not to mention that his party is currently rigging the system in their favor.

[dalton99a]

9. The Little Mussolini from Tallahassee would be far more destructive and devious than Trump ever was

[David__77]

10. Trump is the main danger among Republicans.

As for tactics, he’s the best they’ve got- by far. People might not like him- his tactics are highly effective.

[Dream Girl]

17. Their biggest fear was that he would start his own third party. That's why they're kissing his ass

GOP is buying time until they fell “safe”. They know he’s going to implode, but they wants those crazy ass Trump supporters to stay in the GOP fold. If Trump had formed his own party, that would guarded 10 - 20 point defection from the Republican Party. They would never win another election. That’s why they’re coddling him.

[Ms. Toad]

25. Absolutely. I'm surprised that memories around here

seemed capped at just a few months.

2016 - he was treated as a joke.
2020 - he was treated as a joke.

And we want to try for 2024???

[KentuckyWoman]

18. I don't care who they put up.

I don't think it matters who the GOP puts up. They'll likely be an evil racist fascist monster, because that seems to be all the GOP faithful want these days.

[634-5789]

19. tRump won't run.

I've said it before, I stand with it today. He's trying his last desperate rally grift on the brain dead GP morons. He's not running.

[Wounded Bear]

22. Personally, I would consider him running as a motivating factor...

not that I need one. But Dems all around the country likely feel the same.

[Ms. Toad]

23. So you liked the 2016 results - and how much havoc he wreaked (and is still wreaking) post 2020

election because far too many people treated Trump as a joke candidate in both races.

Absolutely no ambivalence here - and I'm surprised there is any in anyone who lived through 2016 and 2020.

[FelineOverlord]

30. I am NOT ambivalent about Trump running in 2024

I hate him with a burning rage.

So many “swing” states are passing voter suppression laws to ensure GQP “wins” in 2022 and 2024 for the House, Senate, AND Presidency.

I hope that Trump is in either in prison by then or his terrible diet and lack of exercise finally catches up with him - permanently.

[StarfishSaver]

33. I don't want him anywhere close to the possibility of getting back into the White House

TFG as a candidate is too close for my comfort.