At least 77 people shot in weekend violence in Chicago, including 17 in two mass shootings

[former9thward]

When a barrage of gunshots rang out Sunday night along a busy commercial strip of the South Shore community, a 15-year-old ran for his life.

Even when he was shot in the leg, he was so determined to get away from the gunfire that he kept running for at least a block, according to his mother.

“Whoever is outside when the (expletive) is going down is going to get shot down. Dad, mama, grandmama, kids, it don’t matter,” the woman told the Tribune in a telephone interview Monday. “These people trigger-happy. They shoot everyone they see, innocent bystander or not.”

The teen was among six people shot — including a woman who died — near East 71st Street and South Chappel Avenue shortly before 9 p.m. Sunday. Then about two hours later, and roughly 5 miles west, 11 more people were struck by gunfire in the Marquette Park neighborhood, a shooting that claimed the life of another woman.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-marquette-park-11-shot-20210628-z7j2qww6jrchrjq72b724travm-story.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking%20News&utm_content=861624919054#nws=true

[WarGamer]

1. Oddly enough, this OP is sinking with barely any views.

If the OP said "77 shot at a NASCAR race in Talladega" there's be 400 replies, 200 rec's and on the Greatest Thread page.

[former9thward]

2. True.

I spent most of my adult life in Chicago and I am sad to see the city devolving. I see no end to what is going on.

[maxsolomon]

3. What is there left to say?

It's summer, the lid's been taken off the Covid lockdowns, and Rude Boys have scores to settle and dominance displays to make. Guns make it ever so easy to prove one's manhood.

It won't stop; there are too many guns in too many hands and no laws left to curb access. Gunners use this stochastic violence to justify their own arsenals.


Sorry. wish I wasn't as cynical about this as I am.

[WarGamer]

4. Your cynicism is well grounded.

Too many guns, not enough political will and a Constitution that is a stone wall.

Put it all together and add in a dash of American culture... and it's the Wild West (except the actual "Wild West" was never this violent).

[Treefrog]

15. Not in the least bit surprised.

And you’re right. Change certain details and the thread would be huge.

[StarfishSaver]

18. You're right

Because people killing each other isn't news. And when they do, they usually are immediately arrested, charged, tried and convicted. In other words, the system more often than not works to punish the perpetrators and mete out some measure of justice for the victims.

But when agents of that same system, agents with the guns and the badges, kill innocent people - and disproportionately target people of certain races while not similarly targeting people of one particular race - and the system and society circle the wagons to protect them from punishment and deny the victims any measure of justice, it is necessary for people who care about fairness and justice to raise our voices loud and strong and, when necessary, take to the streets to draw attention to the wrong so that the system that works so well when it comes to charging and incarcerating particular people when THEY commit crimes can maybe find its way to at least making an effort at holding those agents accountable.

I assume that's what you were talking about ... But since there's not much to say after reading this report other than "That's a damned shame. We need to continue finding out why this is happening and communities and work on solutions for preventing it," I'm not sure why you felt the need to tacitly suggest that there is something wrong with people reacting to person-on-person crime differently than they react to state-sponsored and societally-protected extra-judicial killings of American citizens.

Unless you were hoping for a different kind of response - the kind that right wingers like to give as a tactic to divert attention from the situation I explained above - I'm not sure why you would think it odd that certain other types of details would result in a different response since those details would certainly MERIT a different response.

[StarfishSaver]

31. Do those "some reports" also report that identified perpetrators are not arrested and prosecuted

because their crimes were deemed to be justified?

[Mysterian]

30. Boohoohoo!!!

[House of Roberts]

5. This thought came to me the other day.

Chicago has approximately 2.71 million people.

If you take 2.71 million rural rednecks, at random, I bet you get at least as many shootings and killings in any given weekend. They're just spread out more, so they don't total up together.

[WarGamer]

8. You're probably right.

[former9thward]

10. No.

If that were true the statistic would be everywhere. You would not have to look or speculate about it. Do you really think no one has tried to do that?

[Amishman]

17. The statistics don't support this, look at county per capita crime rates

https://www.mlive.com/news/2016/09/michigan_counties_ranked_by_vi.html
The link above is for Michigan, and is crime rates per 100k population by county. Wayne county is the highest, most of the lowest ranked counties are low population - and rural Michigan has plenty of rednecks.

There is a reasonable explanation for this. Crime correlates with lack of opportunity and economic stress. Cities like Chicago have large populations in poverty, combined with a relatively high cost of living. Rural areas with high poverty tend to be very low cost of living, putting those individuals under less economic pressure.

[StarfishSaver]

32. That's not the point

The point was to launch a "Why don't you care about Black on Black crime?" diversion.

[SMC22307]

6. So what's the solution?

The loss of life saddens me. The stress on families and friends, first responders, hospital workers, etc. takes a huge toll. And I'm sick of Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) yapping about violence in "Democrat" cities.

[WarGamer]

7. All the solutions SUCK and most might be illegal/unconstitutional.

1) Enforce Firearm Laws including felon in possession, unregistered weapons and carry crimes.

2) Sentencing enhancements for Firearm violations

3) Door to door searches


Like I said... shitty options. I don't have the answers, no one does.

[SMC22307]

11. "Gunners use this stochastic violence to justify their own arsenals"...

from Maxsolomon above. If that is the case, and I believe it is, then it will never end. Tragically.

[dumbcat]

24. Why is enforcing Firearms Laws

... a shitty option?

[WarGamer]

25. Any intensified policing in urban centers is a problem waiting to happen...

[dumbcat]

34. And why is that?

And why is that?

So citizens are to just shut up, sit back, and accept criminality?

Why is any intensified policing in urban centers is a problem waiting to happen?

[WarGamer]

35. Ok...

For one, it's dangerous.

You want to pull over gang members and do vehicle searches or searches in residences?

Two, if the areas are majority-minority, some will be skeptical of excessive policing.

[dumbcat]

36. So there should be no extra policing in high crime areas because

... some will be skeptical?

That's kind of abandoning the law abiding citizens in those areas to the criminals. Is that OK?

[WarGamer]

37. No, it's NOT ok.

But that's reality.

Imagine the optics if Chicago PD starts "stop and frisk" or arresting a number of minorities for outstanding warrants or parole violations.

[dumbcat]

38. Optics outweighs public safety

I got it. I'll quit now.

[Hoyt]

9. Something needs to be done about gunz AND the crimes committed with them.

Finding a politically acceptable way to accomplish that "something" is a real challenge.

Unfortunately, it's likely Democrats will get hit with being "soft on crime." That has worked well for GOPers too many times. GOPers have the easy part-- griping and criticizing Democrats, without offering any real solution other than toughness on criminals.

Hope we come up with some real solutions.

[Mopar151]

12. Hard drugs are guaranteed employment for gangsters.

A thorny problem......

[Progressive Jones]

13. I know Chicago. The majority of the gun violence here is gang related, and in certain parts of town.

I have no problem with Federal agents, Nat. Guard, etc., patrolling the streets of these communities.
Another issue is the crooked Chicago cops who work with the gangs. They exist. Here's one example from several years back. There are many more like him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Miedzianowski

Some of the shit that happens here would not happen without police cooperation, or at least a blind eye. Find them and remove them.
The agents I mentioned should start hitting the street level drug drug sales operations as well.


The Chicago police know who the "problem children" are. Why aren't they removing the problems from the streets?
Life can be made very difficult for the shit heads tearing these communities up without any serious Constitutional issues.
The problem is, nobody in Washington, or the CPD, seems to have the courage.

[Ace Rothstein]

20. The police in Chicago frequently remove problematic people from the streets.

Unfortunately the Cook County SA seems to care more about criminals than victims.

[bdjhawk]

14. Franklin Graham has the answer to all of Chicago's problems

These ads are running on the local stations I usually watch and I’m sure are nonstop on the FAUX station that I don’t watch. Just the sound of his voice makes me want to puke. But it is one example of the right wingers, who do nothing but help guns flood into the city, taking advantage of problems in a Dem city.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/OErL/billy-graham-evangelistic-association-chicago-featuring-franklin-graham

[Sympthsical]

16. Gangs

And just very little political will to do anything about it. It's been this way for ages. The city's politics are completely messed up.

As long as the violence largely remains in the "no-go" zones, it will be what it will be. It's only when the tourist or shopping areas are impacted that people will perk up enough to demand something be done.

I lived in Lincoln Park for a number of years. It was fine. You'd take the same precautions one would in any big city, but it never felt especially dangerous.

You wouldn't catch me dead in the West or South Sides, though. No way.

[Ace Rothstein]

21. Violence is spreading around the city.

There have been recent carjackings in River North and Gold Coast. There was a college aged student/tourist murdered by the Sears Tower. There was also that straight up assassination in Humboldt Park, which is not a safe area, but still something to be disgusted by.
Violence is exploding city-wide.

[Sympthsical]

23. I'm sure this will not get any worse as the summer wears on

Yeah. The whole political system in that city needs a thorough cleaning. It won't happen, which is sad. Love the place. Grew up there. Spent much of my life there. But I can't say I miss living there. I had a place right on LSD, facing the lake. It was magical. But I don't see myself ever going back.

People just don't seem to want to do anything about the violence.

[Kingofalldems]

19. Wow, what an interesting thread.

Illuminating too.

[uponit7771]

22. Chicago is STILL safer than a number of other US cities why is OP extrapolating it? tia

[Treefrog]

26. "Extrapolating?" Huh?

Looks to me that op simply posted an article. Where is the “extrapolation” to which you refer?

[LanternWaste]

28. And there's the back of your t-shirt.