we are in so much trouble

[llashram]

as a species destroying our home. Slowly but surely. These record temperatures, more violent storms. To save the earth we all have to work at it and we don't, won't, can't. We damn sure can hate each other. What must happen to wake humanity to the ever-growing danger?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2018/10/15/hyperalarming-study-shows-massive-insect-loss/

[elleng]

1. 'Human nature' won't allow it.

[llashram]

3. sadly

it seems so...I guess we all will just end up with a FUBAR home spinning to its destruction

[Dan]

2. The Rich figure that they will find a way to escape,

And honestly speaking - no one gives a damn about the poor and middle class (except themselves) , and what can they do?

[llashram]

4. true this

and yeah I am sure you are right about the affluent. Yet they have nowhere to go just like me. Those types probably feel that have time to colonize Mars, or they will live in some sealed bubbles or some such. Hell, I will never figure out people who don't, won't understand methane release from the melted permafrost and its consequence on our atmosphere.

[Earth-shine]

7. They're going to New Zealand.

There are many articles about this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/88705064/super-rich-americans-buying-land-in-new-zealand-as-bolthole-from-apocalypse

Some are building "luxury" underground bunkers.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich

[llashram]

18. yep

and in the end, they get a little extra time as 'civilized' human beings, then meet the world or what's left on it.

[Kaleva]

15. The effects of climate change won't be uniform throughout the world

While some regions will be devastated, others will see little change and others will become more suitable to human habitation.

[llashram]

19. ok

we will see...

[Kaleva]

29. I'm going by the best info available put out by reputable sources.

where I live, it's predicated that summers will be hotter, the growing season longer and winters will be more mild.

An example of such a source:

https://glisa.umich.edu/great-lakes-regional-climate-change-maps/

[llashram]

30. yep

thanks, I'll check it out.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

5. The Fermi Paradox.

So called intelligent species simply don't live long enough to make a difference.

[canetoad]

11. I've often mused that the 4.65bn year timeline

Is bullshit and the previous greedy, uncaring civilizations died out, their ruins boiled in a subduction zone and pulled into the earth's mantle to be recycled and regurgitated along a mid-ocean ridge.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

25. A lot of respectable astronomers

think that we may well be the first intelligent species in our galaxy. The other issue that the Fermi Paradox totally ignores is that any species only exists for a finite time. No, don't say dinosaurs lived for over a hundred million years, because there were lots and lots and lots of different dinosaur species, each one of which existed for a finite time. And don't bother to point out that there's a species of sharks or turtles or whatever that's been around for many millions of years. Notice they are not intelligent, technological creatures.

Other galaxies are simply too far away to matter. I learned recently that already some 94% of the Universe is so far away that we can never possibly visit. And everything is getting farther away all the time.

[llashram]

20. "so called"

correct in my book.

[PortTack]

6. The one thing that might save us is a big drop in population, which birth rates are dropping

Right now it’s not enough to make a difference, but it is slowing. It would change life as we know it and bring about huge changes..but that’s okay

[Kaleva]

12. People dying by the millions due to climate change will happen first.

[diverdownjt]

8. I was doing climate research in college in 1980...

You want to to know how much we have done to combat climate change since then....

NOTHING............................................

You want to know how effective any measures we take now will be.....

USELESS...........................it's already too late...........buy an electric car or don't...it's too late.

If you think a sudden drop in population will help....hold on to your hat's...it's coming....and it will be horrifying.

[Kaleva]

13. I agree.

[RocRizzo55]

17. yep

And I was doing some of that research in the late 1970s.
Some of us have been shouting about this since the first Earth Day. Shouting loudly. We would have been better off shouting to a brick wall.
The other thing is that the fossil fuel companies knew about climate change back as early as the 1950s, and did nothing about it.
It's high time that people realized that this civilization, as we know it, is doomed. It is mostly because of the greed of capitalism and everything that it brings.

[llashram]

21. situations now

huge fires, droughts, lowering species, many in danger of going extinct, bees for one. All pointing to "horrifying" and denial won't stop the eventual outcome you portray.

[Elessar Zappa]

28. That's not what experts say.

If we act quickly and decisively, they think we can keep the temp rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius. But we have to act now. Even if we miss that mark, measures to mitigate will still be useful to prevent the absolute worse case scenario. If countries take your advice and stop all efforts, then yes, it will be a civilization ending event.

[canetoad]

9. I agree

But you try telling people they should have less of .... anything.

It's always someone elses responsibility .

[Kaleva]

14. I don't think anyone here wants to go net-zero.

[llashram]

22. true, without doubt

[Kaleva]

10. Some scientists say we may alreadybe past the point of no return. Others say we are very near it.

Given that, the best any of us can do is try to adapt to what is happening and what is coming.

[llashram]

23. yep

irreversible 'tipping points' have and are being reached to the detriment of all life on planet earth...

[Fullduplexxx]

16. Gigantic Antarctic Lake Suddenly Disappears in Monumental Vanishing Act In a new study, satellite

Gigantic Antarctic Lake Suddenly Disappears in Monumental Vanishing Act



In a new study, satellite observations reveal one such stunning phenomenon: The sudden disappearance of a gigantic lake in Antarctica, which abruptly vanished from view during winter 2019.
This was no small body of water, researchers report, with estimates the lake on Amery Ice Shelf in East Antarctica held some 600–750 million cubic meters (21–26 billion cubic feet) of water: more than all the water in Sydney Harbor, or roughly twice the volume of San Diego Bay.
Of course, that much water doesn't simply disappear into thin air. In this case, scientists say the huge reservoir most likely became too much for the ice layer underneath struggling to support it

https://www.sciencealert.com/gigantic-antarctic-lake-suddenly-disappears-in-monumental-vanishing-act

[llashram]

24. yeah

we face the same "monumental vanishing act" too.

[sarcasmo]

26. 120+ degrees for weeks at a time will finish us off.

[llashram]

27. we are going in

that direction, it seems.