Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
14 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Question about Bill Cosby... (Original Post) Archae Jul 2021 OP
Second prosecutor should never had brought charges Casady1 Jul 2021 #1
The original prosecutor had not made any agreement with Cosby StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #10
The previous prosecutor had made a deal happybird Jul 2021 #2
There was no deal StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #11
The state supreme court ruled, on appeal, that his right to due process was violated lapfog_1 Jul 2021 #3
He was promised immunity by a prosecutor for deposing in another case. malthaussen Jul 2021 #4
It wasn't an agreement StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #12
During his deposition Darwins_Retriever Jul 2021 #5
Violation of his 5th amendment rights. Zeitghost Jul 2021 #6
and now sabbat hunter Jul 2021 #7
He was allegedly offered an exemption from prosecution IbogaProject Jul 2021 #8
Proper procedure wasn't followed and "knowing" someone is guilty is not sufficient artemisia1 Jul 2021 #9
I know people are upset but this might have been the best outcome for justice. SYFROYH Jul 2021 #13
Yep. Dr. Strange Jul 2021 #14
 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
1. Second prosecutor should never had brought charges
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:05 PM
Jul 2021

He violated an agreement that the original prosecutor had made with Cosby.

happybird

(4,603 posts)
2. The previous prosecutor had made a deal
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:08 PM
Jul 2021

with Cosby during the civil case, which occurred a couple years before the criminal case.

The PA Supreme Court ruled that the prosecutor who worked the criminal case was bound by the no prosecution deal struck by his predecessor.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
3. The state supreme court ruled, on appeal, that his right to due process was violated
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:09 PM
Jul 2021

The DA that received the original complaint made a verbal (supposedly) deal with Bill Cosby to not prosecute him IF he agreed to testify in the civil lawsuit with the plaintiff. He did testify and the next DA used that testimony in the criminal trial.

The real question is that such non-prosecution agreements are in writing and signed. In this case there was only a memo that mentioned the agreement.

Apparently that was enough to overturn the conviction.

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
4. He was promised immunity by a prosecutor for deposing in another case.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:10 PM
Jul 2021

The "agreement" was apparently verbal, though, so it took the PA Supreme Court 2 years to find out about it.

So, I'd say it's sort of a case of "the rich and famous get off," although given the immunity agreement the Court had no choice in the matter. Ironically, the statute of limitations has now expired on the PA offenses, so he cannot be tried again. It is possible that he could face charges in other states, if anyone wants to come forward and present them after this fiasco. As with so many things, different states have different statutes of limitations, and different rules over whether or not jail time counts towards the limitation.

It's not a satisfactory answer, but it is the answer.

-- Mal

Darwins_Retriever

(853 posts)
5. During his deposition
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:10 PM
Jul 2021

The initial prosecutor told him what he said in the deposition couldn't be used against him.

Then the prosecutor for the trial used his deposition to question him.

Zeitghost

(3,856 posts)
6. Violation of his 5th amendment rights.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:11 PM
Jul 2021

The original prosecutor agreed not to prosecute because there was not enough evidence to convict. This allowed a civil suit to force Cosby to testify because he could no longer claim 5th amendment protections against self incrimination. A second prosecutor then used that forced testimony to bring charges and get a conviction.


sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
7. and now
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:11 PM
Jul 2021

he is protected by double jeopardy from any new charges. They would need to find new victims, new evidence to even attempt a new trial.

IbogaProject

(2,804 posts)
8. He was allegedly offered an exemption from prosecution
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 04:47 PM
Jul 2021

He was allegedly offered an exemption from prosecution, no evidence of this alleged agreement was ever produced. And that type of non prosecution agreement wouldn't have been able to prevent it from being used in another later criminal act's prosecution. Guilty stuffy rich guy buys a get out of jail. The spanish fly bit and his interview on Larry King's show both cemented my belief he is guilty.

artemisia1

(756 posts)
9. Proper procedure wasn't followed and "knowing" someone is guilty is not sufficient
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 05:03 PM
Jul 2021

to send someone to prison. Laws have to be followed.

Personally, my sympathy is with the poorer people of color who are actually innocent, but railroaded, who cannot afford attorneys who will challenge cases where the rule of law was not followed.

My sympathy is NOT with Mr. Cosby who I consider to be a disgrace to the human race. Nevertheless, the proper thing was done by the courts in releasing him.

SYFROYH

(34,165 posts)
13. I know people are upset but this might have been the best outcome for justice.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 05:17 PM
Jul 2021

Without the promise of no prosecution, Crosby wouldn’t have been compelled to describe his rape behavior in depositions for the civil case.

Without the depositions and the admissions of rape behavior, he would not have been prosecuted.

The second AG made his case with that evidence and the judge allowed it. Crosby was convicted and served 3 years. Although he wouldn’t have gotten it, he was eligible for parole in 3 years.

Even though he his conviction is vacated, his depositions still stand and civil action will proceed.

In others words, without the AG taking a risk by using the depositions there wouldn’t have been a conviction or any prison time nor admissions of wrong doing for the civil case.

I’m no lawyer but I know not everything is black letter law and sometimes Prosecutors swing for the fences on evidence.

Dr. Strange

(25,919 posts)
14. Yep.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 05:31 PM
Jul 2021

His victim got a 3 million dollar settlement, due to Cosby being compelled to testify. Without his testimony, she probably wouldn't have gotten much of anything.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Question about Bill Cosby...