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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:05 PM Jul 2021

Very strong dissent. Justice Kagan really rips rw majority opinion,


'Justice Elena Kagan ripped her conservative colleagues on the Supreme Court on Thursday in a blistering 41-page dissent, accusing them of ignoring the legislative intent of the 1965 Voting Rights Act as well as the high court’s own precedents.

Kagan’s fiery dissenting opinion in a voting rights case, which was joined by the two other liberal members of the court, Justices Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor, accused her conservative colleagues of undermining Section 2 of the landmark Voting Rights Act and tragically weakening what she called “a statute that stands as a monument to America’s greatness.”

“Never has a statute done more to advance the nation’s highest ideals. And few laws are more vital in the current moment. Yet in the last decade, this court has treated no statute worse,” she wrote, in what is likely to become a rallying cry for Democratic lawmakers and progressive activists pushing for election reform laws, including the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, in Congress. . . '

[Despise so many of the rw on the Court]



https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/561132-kagan-rips-conservative-colleagues-with-blistering-41-page-dissent
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Very strong dissent. Justice Kagan really rips rw majority opinion, (Original Post) empedocles Jul 2021 OP
She just wrote a strong reason to add four more seats to that bench. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #1
Yep. Bettie Jul 2021 #2
As many as 10 votes short of 50. speak easy Jul 2021 #15
Yes she did. flying_wahini Jul 2021 #3
Joe Manchin Don't Care FoxNewsSucks Jul 2021 #4
We know what he does care about though. ($$$ and political longevity) lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #6
You're completely right. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2021 #7
Oh, but don't you know? Ligyron Jul 2021 #11
I think the time is being stored next to the dry powder. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2021 #12
Do tell..please what would you have the Dems do with a 50-50 split, a tie breaker and PortTack Jul 2021 #17
A few weeks ago, someone posted a good answer to that. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2021 #30
Joe Manchin's "highly suspicious" reversal on voting bill follows donation from corporate lobby Danascot Jul 2021 #20
Exactly. We just have to out-bid the GQP. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #23
Stacey Abrams has endorsed Manchin's proposed amendments to S1 Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #10
thank you HCHS '77 musette_sf Jul 2021 #5
I'll say "Hunter College High School" before anyone Ilsa Jul 2021 #8
Yep. musette_sf Jul 2021 #13
Party before The Law and Country - they are a disgrace to Democracy. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2021 #9
The Supreme Cons are out of the closet. All the way. dchill Jul 2021 #14
You haven't seen anything yet. LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #27
Vision of Things to Come RVN VET71 Jul 2021 #16
(D)'s Presidential Candidates have received more votes than (R)'s ... aggiesal Jul 2021 #18
We need to select SC justices with a better sense of timing fescuerescue Jul 2021 #22
"[Despise so many of the rw on the Court]" ShazzieB Jul 2021 #19
we are stuck with these rwjncons for decades to come . id love to see supreme ct reform AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #21
'accusing them of ignoring the legislative intent of the 1965 Voting Rights Act as well elleng Jul 2021 #24
Seems so flagrant. empedocles Jul 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author empedocles Jul 2021 #26
Mr President, it's time to some amazing things to save Democracy. rickyhall Jul 2021 #28
It shows us we can't count on the Supreme Court to do our work for us anymore. gulliver Jul 2021 #29

Bettie

(16,049 posts)
2. Yep.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:12 PM
Jul 2021

She certainly did.

And for doing it now.

Unfortunately, we probably don't have the "will" to do so in the senate. Sigh.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. We know what he does care about though. ($$$ and political longevity)
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:22 PM
Jul 2021

Buy him off with some gigantic energy project in WV. Something similar for Sinema. At any cost, get them onboard, or America is done.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,406 posts)
7. You're completely right.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:25 PM
Jul 2021

Schumer needs to get it done now. Republicons are passing laws and getting court decisions while our side twiddles its thumbs and burns up time.

Ligyron

(7,614 posts)
11. Oh, but don't you know?
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:40 PM
Jul 2021

We must give these matters time. The time that we don’t have should be just about enough.

Besides, prejudice has completely disappeared so those statues are totally unnecessary. Just like removing statues of our great Confederate war heroes.

PortTack

(32,682 posts)
17. Do tell..please what would you have the Dems do with a 50-50 split, a tie breaker and
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 02:24 PM
Jul 2021

2 senators that are essentially caucusing with the gqp?

I will wait

FoxNewsSucks

(10,406 posts)
30. A few weeks ago, someone posted a good answer to that.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jul 2021

First of all, I have no direct way to contact any elected official even if I had all the answers. Anything I have to say would be lost in the flood of emails and faxes they get.

Furthermore, I'm not a politician therefore it's not my place to do the job for them. In my case, I have a Democratic representative and two worthless R senators. And no others pay attention to out-of-state opinions, other than those accompanied by a substantial donation.

It's their job to find a way. Think of it as hiring a contractor, such as a plumber or an electrician. It's not my job to give them endless suggestions or step-by-step instructions of how to do their job. That would probably just piss them off. My responsibility is to identify the problem to them then get out of the way so they can do their jobs.

So what is your suggestion when someone is hired, then spends their time telling us they can't do the job we desperately need done?

Danascot

(4,689 posts)
20. Joe Manchin's "highly suspicious" reversal on voting bill follows donation from corporate lobby
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 03:33 PM
Jul 2021

Sen. Joe Manchin, the West Virginia Democrat famous for his vow to maintain the Senate filibuster and thereby scuttle much of President Biden's agenda, recently published an op-ed opposing the For the People Act, Democrats' whopping voting-rights bill. That article strongly echoed talking points from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — and appeared shortly after the influential pro-business lobby resumed donations to Manchin's campaign after nearly a decade.

Manchin, who co-sponsored the sweeping voting rights legislation in 2019 and has supported filibuster reform in the past, became the first Senate Democrat to oppose the bill this week while reiterating his opposition to changing the filibuster, a key roadblock to voting reform. Skeptical members of Manchin's party have questioned the reasons for his opposition, especially after after a recent poll found that a majority of West Virginia voters support changing the filibuster rules and that 79% of the state's voters — including a large majority of Republicans — support the For the People Act.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., suggested that Manchin's opposition to the proposal and filibuster reform may really be about measures in the bill aimed at cracking down on lobbyists and dark money.

"This is probably just as much a part of Joe Manchin's calculus than anything else," she told MSNBC on Tuesday. "You look at the Koch brothers and you look at organizations like the Heritage Foundation and conservative lobby groups that are doing a victory lap ... over the fact that Manchin refuses to change on the filibuster. And I think that these two things are very closely intertwined."

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/10/joe-manchins-highly-suspicious-reversal-on-voting-bill-follows-donation-from-corporate-lobby/

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. Exactly. We just have to out-bid the GQP.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 04:49 PM
Jul 2021

Manchin's positions are not permanent; they are based on the highest bidder.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,529 posts)
10. Stacey Abrams has endorsed Manchin's proposed amendments to S1
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:33 PM
Jul 2021

Hopefully the amendments can be crafted in a way that they will survive court challenges, at least until Dems increase their majorities and expand SCOTUS.

Sinema is the only remaining obstacle to strengthening voting rights.

Ilsa

(61,687 posts)
8. I'll say "Hunter College High School" before anyone
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:28 PM
Jul 2021

asks.

The first name that came to me was "Holy Cross HS", then I remembered she's Jewish! Not that it is impossible.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
27. You haven't seen anything yet.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:12 PM
Jul 2021

They still have Roe v Wade to deal with, and they will almost certainly accept a case that deals with the constitutionality of banning semi-automatic guns. When they rule against those bans, all assault weapon bans in the country will fall.

I’ve seen a few posts about being pleasantly surprised by some of their decisions. This court will throw a few small bones at us, so to speak, to throw the scent off when they give us these decisions.

aggiesal

(8,901 posts)
18. (D)'s Presidential Candidates have received more votes than (R)'s ...
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 02:40 PM
Jul 2021

in last 7 of 8 Presidential elections, yet (R) administrations have seated 15 of the last 19 Supreme Court justices.

Let that sink in.

It is the reason the WH wants Stephen Breyer to resign before 2022, so that Biden can seat another
liberal justice, in case the (R)'s take the Senate in 2022 and McConnell refuses again to seat a
Supreme Court justice until there is a (R) administration in the WH.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
22. We need to select SC justices with a better sense of timing
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 03:49 PM
Jul 2021

We can't fix the electoral college.

But surely SC's can understand that they are not immortal.

AllaN01Bear

(17,890 posts)
21. we are stuck with these rwjncons for decades to come . id love to see supreme ct reform
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 03:45 PM
Jul 2021

such as 2 year terms and be elected and not appointed .

elleng

(130,644 posts)
24. 'accusing them of ignoring the legislative intent of the 1965 Voting Rights Act as well
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 06:30 PM
Jul 2021

as the high court’s own precedents.'

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
25. Seems so flagrant.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:04 PM
Jul 2021

[Especially since, 'Voting Rights', are the number #1 election target of trump/trumpers]

Response to elleng (Reply #24)

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
28. Mr President, it's time to some amazing things to save Democracy.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:08 PM
Jul 2021

13 Justices, no Filibuster, You the Man.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
29. It shows us we can't count on the Supreme Court to do our work for us anymore.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:24 PM
Jul 2021

Want to be able to vote? Vote. Want to have choice? Vote. Want to keep the ACA and extend it to universal coverage? Vote. Nothing else but being in power "now" (and in future nows) will have any effect.

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