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Here is the UNSEALED INDICTMENT against Weisselberg and the Trump Org. (Original Post) pnwmom Jul 2021 OP
"federal" Loge23 Jul 2021 #1
The bi-partisan infrastructure bill calls for stepped up enforcement Deminpenn Jul 2021 #12
+33. Harker Jul 2021 #19
And deliciously ironic Deminpenn Jul 2021 #22
If they are found guilty, what happens? A fine and slap on the patricia92243 Jul 2021 #2
You don't get a lawyer like Mark Pomerantz involved in a case Ocelot II Jul 2021 #6
Cohen got jail time. Each of the felony charges carries a possible 7 years in prison, according pnwmom Jul 2021 #7
Especially hard for someone who has never had the Deminpenn Jul 2021 #10
Who is the unindicted co-conspirator? Drumpf or a cooperating witness? rzemanfl Jul 2021 #3
My guess: Matthew "Matty the Squid" Calamari, Weisselberg's lieutenant JohnQFunk Jul 2021 #4
Speaking indictment Scottie Mom Jul 2021 #5
I think there are others who agree with Rosenberg. triron Jul 2021 #9
My late law partner was a major crminal defense atty in Southern California -- State and Federal Scottie Mom Jul 2021 #13
Hope this holds true here! triron Jul 2021 #15
Chuck Rosenberg said pretty much the same thing yesterday. Scottie Mom Jul 2021 #18
What a scheme. C_U_L8R Jul 2021 #8
IIRC, it was Tristan Snell, the Trump U prosecutor, Deminpenn Jul 2021 #11
I read all of the precatory language Scottie Mom Jul 2021 #14
"SCHEME TO DEFRAUD IN THE FIRST DEGREE" mysteryowl Jul 2021 #16
hot diggety dog. :) AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #17
Kick burrowowl Jul 2021 #20
"Systematic ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud..." Chainfire Jul 2021 #21

Deminpenn

(15,285 posts)
12. The bi-partisan infrastructure bill calls for stepped up enforcement
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 04:00 PM
Jul 2021

of tax laws to help fund the spending. What a great place to start!

Ocelot II

(115,681 posts)
6. You don't get a lawyer like Mark Pomerantz involved in a case
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 03:36 PM
Jul 2021

if all you think you're going to extract from the defendants is a fine and a slap on the wrist. If you read between the lines in this indictment, there are other characters and entities involved, including an unindicted co-conspirator; and this grand jury is still sitting - it isn't done yet. Superseding indictments are possible on other charges. This one has to do with tax fraud (and the IRS is likely to have an interest in the same offenses), but other kinds of fraud could be uncovered as well.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
7. Cohen got jail time. Each of the felony charges carries a possible 7 years in prison, according
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 03:36 PM
Jul 2021

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to somebody I heard on CNN.

Nobody thinks he will get a 105 year prison sentence, but it is certainly possible he will get SOME time, like Cohen did. And even a year or two would be hard on a 74 year old.

Deminpenn

(15,285 posts)
10. Especially hard for someone who has never had the
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 03:57 PM
Jul 2021

indictment experience, court appearances and pre-trial restrictions that go with it. Cohen spent his time in a federal prison camp, not exactly hard time, and tried repeatedly to get released. Imagine if you are 74 yrs old, facing a similar 3 yr sentence and not going to spend it in a cushy federal prison camp, but state prison.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
5. Speaking indictment
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 03:28 PM
Jul 2021

Like Chuck Rosenberg said yesterday, prosecutors do indictments one of two ways: Lay out the charges by statutory violations...or...a speaking indictment.

We have here a speaking indictment...which means, they are sending a message to everyone concerned.

Good!

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
13. My late law partner was a major crminal defense atty in Southern California -- State and Federal
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 04:12 PM
Jul 2021

Yep, I knew when he had a client that was in major trouble. The indictment went on for pages with FACTS...not just penal code section which were being charged.

I cannot wait until TFG is on the hot seat with one of these.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
18. Chuck Rosenberg said pretty much the same thing yesterday.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 05:16 PM
Jul 2021

Soooo...looking like where there is smoke...there should be fire!

Deminpenn

(15,285 posts)
11. IIRC, it was Tristan Snell, the Trump U prosecutor,
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 03:58 PM
Jul 2021

who said the indictment shows the entire organization was cooking the books.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
14. I read all of the precatory language
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 04:14 PM
Jul 2021

The charging parts of the document are interesting, but not the meat of what is foreshadowed, IMO.

The lead-in....yep, they were all involved in running the scam on taxes.

JMHO

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
21. "Systematic ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud..."
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 05:53 PM
Jul 2021

Isn't that what the RICO statutes were meat to address?

Come on folks, this is just a minor bookkeeping error. Why are they picking on the Trump team....everybody does it....

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