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Sha'Carri Richardson, a Track Sensation, Tests Positive for Marijuana (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jul 2021 OP
If it is against the rules... FarPoint Jul 2021 #1
it's sad. she was on top of the world Demovictory9 Jul 2021 #2
It's great for the 4th place girl who will replace her on the team Johnny2X2X Jul 2021 #20
She was mourning the loss of her mother ! Show some sympathy RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2021 #45
100% this n/t FreeState Jul 2021 #49
Ya, rules are rules, banned is banned, no exceptions all that belong in the one hand... Volaris Jul 2021 #3
If She Loses... ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #5
There's some evidence it might be performance enhancing nuxvomica Jul 2021 #9
I'd like to see sports where all performance enhancements are welcomed. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #21
Here you go: Dr. Strange Jul 2021 #37
Hahahaha! lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #50
It may help with pain, which may have an impact performance?? boston bean Jul 2021 #12
Please stop stretching and reaching. Only someone who has never smoked it would believe that it happy feet Jul 2021 #17
It was a question. Chill. boston bean Jul 2021 #18
An argument that is should be taken off the list of treestar Jul 2021 #31
She has been withdrawn from the Olympics malaise Jul 2021 #4
I'm crying. What a spark plug. Baitball Blogger Jul 2021 #13
Looks like she's out although local news said she may be included for malaise Jul 2021 #14
Something Legal RobinA Jul 2021 #23
The war on weed must end SYFROYH Jul 2021 #6
I mean Sgent Jul 2021 #7
YEs, kind of worrying. During my working life, I simply abstained from weed. Treefrog Jul 2021 #16
I mean, people make mistakes, don't think they'll get caught, and/or value things differently fishwax Jul 2021 #42
This crap needs to stop. If she had a brownie in CA, or CO Thtwudbeme Jul 2021 #8
Because it's against the rules. Treefrog Jul 2021 #19
Steroids are banned for a legitimate reason, because they provide a potentially unfair advantage fishwax Jul 2021 #43
What a shitty, outdated rule. Pot doesn't enhance performance. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #10
Well, that was a dumb thing for her to do. NurseJackie Jul 2021 #11
She broke established rules of the sport. AngryOldDem Jul 2021 #15
Oh Please - It is Pot Mary in S. Carolina Jul 2021 #22
Yes, Rules are Rules. ruet Jul 2021 #24
Tom Brady Cheated and kept the Superbowl Win? Mary in S. Carolina Jul 2021 #25
Oh, please StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #26
What about Shelby Houlihan? sarisataka Jul 2021 #29
Everything adverse that happens to a POC treestar Jul 2021 #32
I don't see you getting all worked up about Shelby Houlihan? Treefrog Jul 2021 #38
Thank you. StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #27
She should go to court. Weed is legal in Oregon where she lives Arazi Jul 2021 #28
Oregon law has no bearing sarisataka Jul 2021 #30
I know all of that but she should sue to establish precedent here about legal weed Arazi Jul 2021 #34
Once again sarisataka Jul 2021 #36
What other banned substances do you think should be allowed in the Olympics? Treefrog Jul 2021 #39
Please stay on topic thanks! n/t ChubbyStar Jul 2021 #48
Oregon law isn't irrelevant - Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #35
What if it was Delta-8? Legal nationally since 2018 Farm Bill. nt JanMichael Jul 2021 #33
What if it was heroin, cocaine, Jack Daniels? It WASN'T. Treefrog Jul 2021 #40
Delta 8 and Delta 9 both test for THC. JanMichael Jul 2021 #46
Just an athlete who cares less about her sport than fans do Pompoy Jul 2021 #41
I'm a fan, but this doesn't lessen my appreciation for the athlete at all fishwax Jul 2021 #44
Oh, you know her personally? n/t ChubbyStar Jul 2021 #47
I heard that she may run relays. At least she will get a gold for that. Blue_true Jul 2021 #51

FarPoint

(12,360 posts)
1. If it is against the rules...
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 04:08 AM
Jul 2021

then, she can not participate...it is that simple...Why would she risk her life long career on marijuana?

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
20. It's great for the 4th place girl who will replace her on the team
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:47 AM
Jul 2021

There is no excuse, she knew the list of banned substances and did them anyway. There's a girl who wasn't going to make the team that will now who didn't knowingly break the rules.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,672 posts)
45. She was mourning the loss of her mother ! Show some sympathy
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:30 PM
Jul 2021

and weed takes down another person by not really doing any harm to anyone, again


I have found people who say things like ,Rules are rules or gotta follow the rules....frequently DON'T

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
3. Ya, rules are rules, banned is banned, no exceptions all that belong in the one hand...
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 04:20 AM
Jul 2021

In the other is the truth that weed isnt exactly 'performance-enhancing', is it?

nuxvomica

(12,424 posts)
9. There's some evidence it might be performance enhancing
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:38 AM
Jul 2021

But I don't think it's at the level of anabolic steroids or various stimulants. I suspect caffeine could be more performance enhancing.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. I'd like to see sports where all performance enhancements are welcomed.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:59 AM
Jul 2021

Steroids, coke, Coke, mechanical implants, anything goes.

happy feet

(869 posts)
17. Please stop stretching and reaching. Only someone who has never smoked it would believe that it
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:41 AM
Jul 2021

enhances performance. I can go with "its against the rules", but not because it enhances performance.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. An argument that is should be taken off the list of
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:21 PM
Jul 2021

disqualifying things, but as long as it is on, the rules should apply.

Baitball Blogger

(46,705 posts)
13. I'm crying. What a spark plug.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:32 AM
Jul 2021

I can absolutely understand why someone with her high energy level needs something to relax. What a shame.

malaise

(268,993 posts)
14. Looks like she's out although local news said she may be included for
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:34 AM
Jul 2021

the relays.

Folks here are way smarter than than - they know to stop smoking week six weeks before events

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
7. I mean
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:36 AM
Jul 2021

she knows she's going to be tested, and she knows its not allowed (this is not hidden in college sports), and she knows that supplements that she doesn't clear with the school dietitian / trainer are not supposed to be used.

This really, really sucks, but I hope she gets a handle on her issues, because using in the face of the Olympics means she has addiction issues.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
16. YEs, kind of worrying. During my working life, I simply abstained from weed.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:39 AM
Jul 2021

Not worth the hassle.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
42. I mean, people make mistakes, don't think they'll get caught, and/or value things differently
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:08 PM
Jul 2021

It doesn't necessarily mean addiction issues. It may, it may not. Her mother died the week before the trials, so she was dealing with a lot.

Pretty stupid mistake, I suppose, but then the rule itself is even stupider.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
8. This crap needs to stop. If she had a brownie in CA, or CO
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:36 AM
Jul 2021

or even a Delta 8 CBD gummie in NC- WHY would this matter?

I fail to see how marijuana can "enhance" an athletes performance, unless it's a Canadian Curling event.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
19. Because it's against the rules.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:28 AM
Jul 2021

I don’t remember any threads bemoaning Shelby Houlihan’s recent ouster for banned substances, and she claims to have not “intentionally” ingested it.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
43. Steroids are banned for a legitimate reason, because they provide a potentially unfair advantage
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:14 PM
Jul 2021

Last edited Sat Jul 3, 2021, 03:28 PM - Edit history (1)

That's not really the case with THC, so of course there is going to be more bemoaning an athlete ousted for it.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
15. She broke established rules of the sport.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:38 AM
Jul 2021

Personally, I don’t care that she used it. But she is part of an organization that — as of right now — bans it.

From her Today interview — which I admit was extremely difficult to follow — it sounds like she used weed to deal with the death of her biological mom. We all have our coping mechanisms, and I’m not passing judgment on her here, either. But some of those mechanisms may come with consequences that one must be willing to accept. I’m just amazed that she competed, knowing full well that THC was still in her system and that she would be tested afterward.

There will be other Olympics for her. She needs the time now to process what has gone on in her life, and she needs the time to heal.


 

Mary in S. Carolina

(1,364 posts)
22. Oh Please - It is Pot
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 02:38 PM
Jul 2021

Rule are Rules Really???? This awesome and talented person has dreamed and trained her whole life. The crime does not fit the punishment. So every time you break a rule in your gated community, are get pulled over by a cop for speeding or take a pen from work and you are fined or fired for stealing......rules are rules. How about when you lie, steal or cheat on your spouse, according to the bible, you are going to hell....rules are rules.

ruet

(10,039 posts)
24. Yes, Rules are Rules.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 03:15 PM
Jul 2021

Yes, she is an awesome and talented person. She did train her whole life to participate in sporting events. Events governed by a private entity that creates and enforces the rules for said events. She failed to abide by those rules and the privilege to participate in an upcoming event was revoked. That's it. She didn't get arrested. She didn't get banned from the sport. She didn't incur the wrath of the Baby Jeebus. She'll be fine.

 

Mary in S. Carolina

(1,364 posts)
25. Tom Brady Cheated and kept the Superbowl Win?
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:48 PM
Jul 2021

So white guy Tom Brady cheats in football and he gets to keep the win? How does that work? Please do not minimize a black athletes dream and hard work (she will be fine? You sound pleased)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. Oh, please
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:55 PM
Jul 2021

OJ Simpson killed two people and got away with it. Does that mean that Donald Trump should get away with his crimes?

Of course not. Because one has no more to do with the other than. Sha'Carri getting suspended from Competition for 30 days for testing positive has to do with Tom Brady cheating in football.

Sha'Carri is not a victim of racial injustice. She's a strong, young Black woman who made a mistake, got caught, owned up to it and is graciously taking the penalty she agreed to when she signed up for this - and she will indeed be fine.

sarisataka

(18,649 posts)
29. What about Shelby Houlihan?
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:10 PM
Jul 2021

Her ban is for four years so will keep her out of this Olympics and the next. Not many people are stepping up for her dream and hard work but she will be 35 before she has a chance to go to the Olympics.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
28. She should go to court. Weed is legal in Oregon where she lives
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:58 PM
Jul 2021

There's no performance enhancement with weed.

The governing bodies are going to have to work this out as weed's status in many states is similar to caffeine (not banned)

sarisataka

(18,649 posts)
30. Oregon law has no bearing
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:20 PM
Jul 2021

So it isn't a question of was Marijuana legal where she used it.. The violation is the rules governing international sports.

She can appeal but it is under the jurisdiction of the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland. They are not very favorable towards Doping suspensions (which this would fall under) but have in a few cases ruled in favor of the athlete.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
34. I know all of that but she should sue to establish precedent here about legal weed
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:58 PM
Jul 2021

In her country.

And to force the governing body to put up or shut up (definitively) about what "performance enhancing" abilities one gains with weed.

This is an excellent case and I'd like to see her win it

sarisataka

(18,649 posts)
36. Once again
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:08 PM
Jul 2021

Local law does not matter. If it did, Russia could simply declare anabolic steroids are legal and demand the competition ban on the whole country be lifted.

Performance enhancing is not the only criteria. Substances may also be banned if they put the health of the athlete or others at risk or if it violates the spirit of sport. At the moment THC is considered to violate all three categories. So even if it is agreed there is no performance benefits, it does not mean THC will be removed from the Prohibited List.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
35. Oregon law isn't irrelevant -
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:17 PM
Jul 2021

It's the rules of the sport.

BUT marijuana is not legal anywhere in the US, local laws aside. It is a federal crime - period.

Whether the laws are wise are another question - but don't pretend that something which is a federal crime has the same legal status as caffeine.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
40. What if it was heroin, cocaine, Jack Daniels? It WASN'T.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:58 PM
Jul 2021

I love this “what if” line of argument.

JanMichael

(24,886 posts)
46. Delta 8 and Delta 9 both test for THC.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:41 PM
Jul 2021

Delta 8 is legal throughout the United States. Except for moron States they're trying to make it illegal to save the regular marijuana growers.

Heroin and cocaine are not legal anywhere.

Jack Daniels is and certainly not performance enhancer. Your point is stupid.

Edit- she said it was marijuana not Delta 8. Doesn't make your point any less stupid. Cocaine and heroin are the same league.

Pompoy

(123 posts)
41. Just an athlete who cares less about her sport than fans do
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:01 PM
Jul 2021

Fans don't like these kind of athletes, I was excited about her and looking forward to her chances at the Olympics against the Jamaican Fraser, but she let us down because she doesn't care enough.
Screwing this up over a joint? Come on, I can understand her grief but she could have gotten through it with some crying...

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
44. I'm a fan, but this doesn't lessen my appreciation for the athlete at all
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:24 PM
Jul 2021

I wish she'd have the chance to run at the games. I think she would probably say that this was a very stupid mistake. But I think the rule is even stupider.

She smoked a joint or downed some edibles or gummies or whatever. Around the time her mother died. Then she went out and performed her job at a world-class level. I'm not going to judge her for that, no matter how many people were looking forward to watching her run on TV.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. I heard that she may run relays. At least she will get a gold for that.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 12:02 AM
Jul 2021

The sad thing is that with all the hanger-ons around her, she had no one to truly console her when a random reporter told her that her biological mother had just died. So she self-medicated by ingesting Pot.

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