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kpete

(72,038 posts)
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:03 AM Jul 2021

Kurt Eichenwald: HOLY SHIT!" The Trump Org is in deep, deep trouble.

@kurteichenwald
As someone who has written for decades about corporate crime, I was reading the Trump O/Weisselberg indictment going, "Yah, ok..hmm..yah..ok..Wait..HOLY SHIT!" The Trump Org is in deep, deep trouble. And not because of the criminal charges. Because of its bank loan covenants.../1

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...in fact, if even the smallest bit of this case is true, I think the Trump Org could be dead. It's complicated, but it primarily pertains to the 12th count of the indictment.

Taking this a step at a time: Like most real estate companies, the Trump Org is horribly illiquid...2

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...this means it cannot readily convert its assets into cash as needed. Worse, because of the incredible incompetence and business idiocy of Trump, cash on hand (and access rapid loans through what is known as the commercial paper market) is small. So, the company survives.../3

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...on loans against assets. Trump originally depended on bank loans, then jumped into high-yield (junk) bond market, which is why so many of his businesses went bankrupt: Junk bonds gave him lots of cash to spend, but he was too stupid to apply an analysis beyond "I'm great".../4

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...to figure out how he was going to generate enough cash to pay interest on bonds. He couldn't. With his dad, he tried laundering money through Trump Castle to get past a requirement with his bank loans brought on by his junk debt, but got caught. Everything crashed down.../5

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...so, the bottom line: Trump knows how to borrow money, he doesn't know how to manage it. Then came The Apprentice, which gave him lots of cash. Of course, he spent it all, then used assets he purchased as security to borrow from banks on apparent assumption that "I'm great"...6


...would fix any cash flow problems. He now has huge amounts of debt against assets that are plummeting in value because of January 6 and his toxic brand name. He *needed* the presidency to survive financially. I have always believed, that is why he is so desperate to keep it...7

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....because if he was president, he could hit up the Russians, Saudis, etc to bail him out. Now, with him toxic and a threat to the country, those nations know that any secret payments they make to him run a huge risk of being discovered.

Which brings us to today's charges...8

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...all bank loans with a business come with "lending covenants." These are basically a series of requirements, some of which include "you'll behave" in minor character. But *the most important part* of any loan covenant is the "books and records" portion. It is included in.../9

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...every covenant for a bank loan to a business. The terms are simple: You maintain truthful books and records, you attest to us that they are truthful, and we are allowed to review them at any time. There is no "You can lie *just a little bit* on your books and records".../10

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...it's all or nothing, like pregnancy: You either are or you arent. The books and records either are truthful or they aren't. Which brings us to count 12, which I think you can now understand the significance of:


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...Forget Weisselberg. That is every every corporate defendant, every entity that could have a loan covenant in its name. Every Trump Org bank lender in the world, right now, is looking at this indictment, looking at their covenants, and calling the Trump Org demanding.../12

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...they turn over every relevant book and record pertaining to these issues. If they refuse...BOOM. Loans pulled. If they do and the banks don't like what they see...BOOM. Loans pulled. If the loans come due (which 100s of millions do next year) no way they get refinanced..../13

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...there may be something I am missing here, but I do not see how the Trump Org survives this without some sort of corrupt deal overseas. But even that seems far-fetched. Instead, it may be the biggest real estate corp bankruptcy in history..../14

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......and given that those of us who covered his business for decades - back when he was a democrat/reform party/whoever would have him - and always knew he was a crook, all I can say is, what the hell took so long?


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ProudMNDemocrat

(16,849 posts)
2. In layman's terms..
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:12 AM
Jul 2021

Borrowing from A, B, and C to live a lush lifestyle on paper, then having to pay it back has caught up to the Orange Anus mouth. Too bad.

With the Trump Org indicted, the outstanding bank loans will be called in sooner than later. The personal loans he has due in a few years? He will be on the hook for those as well.

What Billionaire OWES over $400 million in personal loans? Vlad must not be happy with his puppet about now.

sop

(10,284 posts)
4. Would that any of this actually comes to pass.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:22 AM
Jul 2021

I've grown weary of these "Trump's in big trouble now!" stories, predicting Teflon Trump's ruination.

jimfields33

(16,068 posts)
6. I find that NY IRS and federal IRS both didn't do their job for years!!!!
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:06 AM
Jul 2021

Yes way before trump became president. I think the democratic congress should haul all of them up to Congress under oath and explain why this was not discovered a decade before. If trump never became president, would the IRS and NY IRS still not investigate this??????

getagrip_already

(14,934 posts)
8. The IRS at least has been gutted... it started as far back as reagon
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:36 AM
Jul 2021

Their funding has been cut over and over, particularly during republican dominated budget processes.

They simply don't have the resources or the backing to catch even a small fraction of a percent of these crimes, and that is by gop design. Some dems have gone along with it, especially in the senate, where they are never far from big donors.


JHB

(37,163 posts)
15. Yup, and the people left have to keep an eye on their performance ratings
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:45 PM
Jul 2021

If your career is evaluated by the number of successful cases you've worked or how much money you've recovered, working a number of small-to-medium cases gives you a track record than one big, very complicated case that swallows all your time for years.

Random Boomer

(4,170 posts)
11. You can't do your job without resources
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:42 AM
Jul 2021

Going after millionaires and billionaires requires trained employees to dig through incredibly complicated returns. Due to de-funding, the IRS doesn't have the staffing power to conduct in-depth investigations.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
9. The inflation and deflation of assets will be the big thing....
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:36 AM
Jul 2021

Inflating assets to the banks, deflating them for tax purposes. Those will be the bigger charges down the line. Fraud and hundreds of millions of dollars in benefits....that can result in real jail time.

Weisselberg's initial charges are just the start, they don't even have mandatory jail time. The bigger stuff is yet to come.

Roc2020

(1,619 posts)
10. The authorities are taking their time
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:37 AM
Jul 2021

and will not left any stone unturned. Trump will regret the day he came down that escalator and ran for President.

Traildogbob

(8,868 posts)
12. May have to delay
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:47 AM
Jul 2021

Repairing that damn plane. He will have to fly commercial for his rally’s. Or drive golf carts across the country. Imagine a caravan of golf carts with that Florida Retirement community full of Trump flags in a across country tour for 2024, Trump leading the parade. Radical Left Terrorists in big trucks could Harass them in route, trying to run em off the road.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,789 posts)
14. Kurt does not see how the Trump Org survives this without some sort of corrupt deal overseas.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jul 2021

Kurt does not see how the Trump Org survives this without some sort of corrupt deal overseas. I tend to agree
















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