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Yesterday, the Supreme Court upheld every voter suppression law being passed by states controlled by Republican legislators. And they also wiped out what was left of the voting rights act.
This kicks open the door for the Republicans to steal the house, senate and White House in 2022 and 2024.
For all practical purposes, the very near future will bring us "rule by savages." And savages they are. We know just how bad they were before and during Trump's term. Well, now they've become more insane than ever seemed possible in this country. And I truly believe that hell is just around the corner for all of us.
You may not see it my way, but the Civil War never really ended. And I believe that we are now on the verge of a vengeful reign of terror.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/07/02/jim-crow-voting-restrictions-supreme-court/
Wounded Bear
(58,436 posts)brooklynite
(93,834 posts)cilla4progress
(24,585 posts)bears you out.
Reading about the ancient Greeks, Trojan war.
The dark forces are and will always be within us, I fear.
Sorry, but - i don't even know how people have the courage to bring babies into this world!
Apocalyptic.
Cyrano
(15,020 posts)I would love to share that optimism. But it's difficult when one of America's two parties is now "The Fascist Party" that may soon hold all the reins of power. And, for the most part, they are led by incredibly ignorant people who are totally unhinged
Elessar Zappa
(13,649 posts)No doubt this voter suppression is going to make things harder for us. So we just have to work harder to defeat them.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)They have made it easy to simply change outcomes they don't like.
So even if we have more people at the polls they overturn it and say it was fraud.
The game is over.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)FBaggins
(26,693 posts)Some of the laws that they're passing are worth fighting and may very well make a difference on the margins in some really tight races, but they don't "doom democracy".
Zeitghost
(3,796 posts)Elections are not won and lost because a couple people accidently show up to the wrong polling place or get thirsty in line. These things have no real world effects on election outcomes.
Run good candidates with good ideas and execute good grass roots driven get out the vote campaigns and you will win elections. This "sky is falling" doom and gloom defeatist attitude is doing more harm to our chances than any MAGAT banning handing out water bottles ever could.
Cyrano
(15,020 posts)to change the outcome if they don't like the results. What you call my "doom and gloom" is a warning to all of us as to what lies ahead and what must be fought tooth and nail.
PortTack
(32,605 posts)States still have to deal with the US constitution where voting rights are still protected. States cannot willy nilly change vote totals or outcomes of popular votes no matter how many laws they pass
Link to tweet
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milestogo
(16,829 posts)Cyrano
(15,020 posts)Sigh.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)They think we can just outwork them.
They are changing how votes are counted. And if they don't like that outcome, simply can reverse the total. "Legally."
So why aren't people panicked?
I see it as game over.
PortTack
(32,605 posts)And read the tweet from Marc Elias in post 15
And then read what Merrick Garland had to say about the GA law
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)So now what?
PortTack
(32,605 posts)That does NOT include changing vote totals
Read the 14th and 15th constitutional amendments
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)And I have no faith SCOTUS is inclined to stop them.
Regardless of the 14th or 15th amendments.
PortTack
(32,605 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)If you have faith in them, then, well, I have no idea what to say to you.
Because I have zero faith that they will do anything to stop outright theft of future votes.
States pass laws that their legislature can change vote totals OR appoint their own slate of electors to the Electoral College, will of the voters be damned.
The election gets certified and then challenged and SCOTUS throws it out as being moot because the election is already over and the new president is sitting in office.
PortTack
(32,605 posts)In answer to your question it was answered earlier when I said conservative as the court may be.
You might want to read the electoral count act, also found in the constitution.
State laws do NOT have the final say in federal elections
I have faith in the constitution, our dem leaders and ppl like Marc Elias who get up everyday to new challenges and never say never. They brought us this far...its not over
milestogo
(16,829 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,264 posts)there should be any concern. "such drama", no real problem, just have to work harder. etc etc
attitudes like that is accepting the next election loss as legitimate.
Cyrano
(15,020 posts)sarisataka
(18,197 posts)Why bother?
-our votes aren't enough because they will be suppressed
-GOTV won't work because they will control the counting
-if we somehow win the state will simply ignore the result
-any suit filed will go to SCOTUS who has already ruled to destroy democracy
Since according to all of these and similar posts, we have already lost and there is nothing we can do about it.
So it may be apathetic but again (assuming these democracy is dead posts are accurate)- why bother?
msfiddlestix
(7,264 posts)the point is not to suggest "why bother?" the point is to hold the media to account on this issue, and our own awareness of how critical this decision is to our future. Everything we fight for and struggle to achieve depends on a healthy democratic governance, and election process to getting there.
The awareness and understanding of how detrimental the Supreme Court decision is to this goal, won't be top of mind if the media doesn't give it the attention our country deserves particularly what we've endured the past several years culminating with January 6th and consequences.
WarGamer
(12,103 posts)It'll take more than that to help the GOP.
PortTack
(32,605 posts)I do hope we can pass a voting rights bill yet.
The AZ bill regarding ballot harvesting will harm us, especially with the Native American population..gotta find a work around to help them
Chainfire
(17,304 posts)Tactical Progressive
(2,850 posts)obamanut2012
(25,905 posts)They are neither helpful nor productive in any way.
PortTack
(32,605 posts)Stacey Abrams dont do doom and gloom..instead their shenanigans lights a fire that fuels their actions.
We should do the same
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Almost seem to wallow in it.
It does nothing but self suppress voting.
GoneOffShore
(17,308 posts)pwb
(11,204 posts)We can overcome those changes.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)The ruling creates tiny little tools Republicans can dream about using. They are serving cake and ice cream to pacify the crybabies who cant believe they lost the big game.