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Cyrano

(15,020 posts)
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:46 AM Jul 2021

The Supreme Court has sealed the doom of democracy

Yesterday, the Supreme Court upheld every voter suppression law being passed by states controlled by Republican legislators. And they also wiped out what was left of the voting rights act.

This kicks open the door for the Republicans to steal the house, senate and White House in 2022 and 2024.

For all practical purposes, the very near future will bring us "rule by savages." And savages they are. We know just how bad they were before and during Trump's term. Well, now they've become more insane than ever seemed possible in this country. And I truly believe that hell is just around the corner for all of us.

You may not see it my way, but the Civil War never really ended. And I believe that we are now on the verge of a vengeful reign of terror.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/07/02/jim-crow-voting-restrictions-supreme-court/

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The Supreme Court has sealed the doom of democracy (Original Post) Cyrano Jul 2021 OP
I, for one, am not throwing in the towel just yet... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #1
So, time to shut DU down? No point dragging things out? brooklynite Jul 2021 #2
Sadly, history cilla4progress Jul 2021 #3
Yep. Many here are far more optimistic than I am Cyrano Jul 2021 #9
I don't believe that. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #4
It's not just voter suppression. They are changing who counts votes SoonerPride Jul 2021 #7
Please include the byline: Gillian Brockell lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #5
Hyperbole is a useful rhetorical device - but you're stretching it FBaggins Jul 2021 #6
Elections are not won and lost... Zeitghost Jul 2021 #8
Some state laws actually allow the state legislatures Cyrano Jul 2021 #11
Tha t was not decided in the scotus ruling yesterday PortTack Jul 2021 #15
Such drama. milestogo Jul 2021 #10
Seems my wake up call is falling on deaf ears. Cyrano Jul 2021 #12
People don't really get it. SoonerPride Jul 2021 #14
States cannot just change votes or vote outcomes..read the 14 and 15th amendments PortTack Jul 2021 #16
SCOTUS just said states have total control over their elections. SoonerPride Jul 2021 #21
They have total control over how they run their elections PortTack Jul 2021 #23
Yeah, well, they are passing laws to change vote totals SoonerPride Jul 2021 #26
So you essentially believe that the constitution will not be upheld? PortTack Jul 2021 #27
Have you looked at the composition of the court? SoonerPride Jul 2021 #29
You didn't answer my question. You don't have to PortTack Jul 2021 #31
There are so many wake up calls that most of them fall on deaf ears. milestogo Jul 2021 #19
I share the same concerns, and I find a number of reactions rather strangely apathetic and critical msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #13
My guess is that most Germans felt this way in 1933 Cyrano Jul 2021 #17
Since the election is a forgone conclusion, sarisataka Jul 2021 #18
I understand your reaction, it's a question I have asked so often. msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #20
By allowing SOME States to ban ballot harvesting? WarGamer Jul 2021 #22
The gqp did a lot of ballot harvesting in CA in '20. It will harm them as well PortTack Jul 2021 #25
It is time to stack the court while we still have a country to save. Chainfire Jul 2021 #24
unstack the court Tactical Progressive Jul 2021 #28
I am so over all these doom and gloom posts obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #30
Thank you!! Yes, the situation is serious, but our dem leaders, President Biden and ppl like PortTack Jul 2021 #32
Some people qazplm135 Jul 2021 #35
Steady on there. Have a glass of wine, some crisps, and a sit down. GoneOffShore Jul 2021 #33
I am not feeling that. pwb Jul 2021 #34
They have created an incentive for massive Democratic turnout. Baked Potato Jul 2021 #36

cilla4progress

(24,585 posts)
3. Sadly, history
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:00 AM
Jul 2021

bears you out.

Reading about the ancient Greeks, Trojan war.

The dark forces are and will always be within us, I fear.

Sorry, but - i don't even know how people have the courage to bring babies into this world!

Apocalyptic.

Cyrano

(15,020 posts)
9. Yep. Many here are far more optimistic than I am
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jul 2021

I would love to share that optimism. But it's difficult when one of America's two parties is now "The Fascist Party" that may soon hold all the reins of power. And, for the most part, they are led by incredibly ignorant people who are totally unhinged

Elessar Zappa

(13,649 posts)
4. I don't believe that.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:01 AM
Jul 2021

No doubt this voter suppression is going to make things harder for us. So we just have to work harder to defeat them.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
7. It's not just voter suppression. They are changing who counts votes
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:03 AM
Jul 2021

They have made it easy to simply change outcomes they don't like.

So even if we have more people at the polls they overturn it and say it was fraud.

The game is over.

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
6. Hyperbole is a useful rhetorical device - but you're stretching it
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:03 AM
Jul 2021

Some of the laws that they're passing are worth fighting and may very well make a difference on the margins in some really tight races, but they don't "doom democracy".

Zeitghost

(3,796 posts)
8. Elections are not won and lost...
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jul 2021

Elections are not won and lost because a couple people accidently show up to the wrong polling place or get thirsty in line. These things have no real world effects on election outcomes.

Run good candidates with good ideas and execute good grass roots driven get out the vote campaigns and you will win elections. This "sky is falling" doom and gloom defeatist attitude is doing more harm to our chances than any MAGAT banning handing out water bottles ever could.

Cyrano

(15,020 posts)
11. Some state laws actually allow the state legislatures
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jul 2021

to change the outcome if they don't like the results. What you call my "doom and gloom" is a warning to all of us as to what lies ahead and what must be fought tooth and nail.

PortTack

(32,605 posts)
15. Tha t was not decided in the scotus ruling yesterday
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:27 AM
Jul 2021

States still have to deal with the US constitution where voting rights are still protected. States cannot willy nilly change vote totals or outcomes of popular votes no matter how many laws they pass


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SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
14. People don't really get it.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:19 AM
Jul 2021

They think we can just outwork them.

They are changing how votes are counted. And if they don't like that outcome, simply can reverse the total. "Legally."

So why aren't people panicked?

I see it as game over.

PortTack

(32,605 posts)
16. States cannot just change votes or vote outcomes..read the 14 and 15th amendments
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:31 AM
Jul 2021

And read the tweet from Marc Elias in post 15

And then read what Merrick Garland had to say about the GA law

PortTack

(32,605 posts)
23. They have total control over how they run their elections
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:02 AM
Jul 2021

That does NOT include changing vote totals

Read the 14th and 15th constitutional amendments

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
26. Yeah, well, they are passing laws to change vote totals
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:07 AM
Jul 2021

And I have no faith SCOTUS is inclined to stop them.

Regardless of the 14th or 15th amendments.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
29. Have you looked at the composition of the court?
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:44 AM
Jul 2021

If you have faith in them, then, well, I have no idea what to say to you.

Because I have zero faith that they will do anything to stop outright theft of future votes.

States pass laws that their legislature can change vote totals OR appoint their own slate of electors to the Electoral College, will of the voters be damned.

The election gets certified and then challenged and SCOTUS throws it out as being moot because the election is already over and the new president is sitting in office.



PortTack

(32,605 posts)
31. You didn't answer my question. You don't have to
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:06 PM
Jul 2021

In answer to your question it was answered earlier when I said “conservative as the court may be.”

You might want to read the electoral count act, also found in the constitution.

State laws do NOT have the final say in federal elections

I have faith in the constitution, our dem leaders and ppl like Marc Elias who get up everyday to new challenges and never say never. They brought us this far...it’s not over

msfiddlestix

(7,264 posts)
13. I share the same concerns, and I find a number of reactions rather strangely apathetic and critical
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:17 AM
Jul 2021

there should be any concern. "such drama", no real problem, just have to work harder. etc etc

attitudes like that is accepting the next election loss as legitimate.

sarisataka

(18,197 posts)
18. Since the election is a forgone conclusion,
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:32 AM
Jul 2021

Why bother?

-our votes aren't enough because they will be suppressed
-GOTV won't work because they will control the counting
-if we somehow win the state will simply ignore the result
-any suit filed will go to SCOTUS who has already ruled to destroy democracy

Since according to all of these and similar posts, we have already lost and there is nothing we can do about it.

So it may be apathetic but again (assuming these democracy is dead posts are accurate)- why bother?

msfiddlestix

(7,264 posts)
20. I understand your reaction, it's a question I have asked so often.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jul 2021

the point is not to suggest "why bother?" the point is to hold the media to account on this issue, and our own awareness of how critical this decision is to our future. Everything we fight for and struggle to achieve depends on a healthy democratic governance, and election process to getting there.

The awareness and understanding of how detrimental the Supreme Court decision is to this goal, won't be top of mind if the media doesn't give it the attention our country deserves particularly what we've endured the past several years culminating with January 6th and consequences.

PortTack

(32,605 posts)
25. The gqp did a lot of ballot harvesting in CA in '20. It will harm them as well
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:07 AM
Jul 2021

I do hope we can pass a voting rights bill yet.

The AZ bill regarding ballot harvesting will harm us, especially with the Native American population..gotta find a work around to help them

PortTack

(32,605 posts)
32. Thank you!! Yes, the situation is serious, but our dem leaders, President Biden and ppl like
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jul 2021

Stacey Abrams don’t do doom and gloom..instead their shenanigans lights a fire that fuels their actions.

We should do the same

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
36. They have created an incentive for massive Democratic turnout.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:21 PM
Jul 2021

The ruling creates tiny little tools Republicans can dream about using. They are serving cake and ice cream to pacify the crybabies who can’t believe they lost the big game.

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