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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums...and people are concerned about the cost of going green.
Status quo is not going to cut it anymore, hey?
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)Another bullshit internet meme.
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)If you don't like it you don't have to comment.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)The point appears to be just out of the both of your reaches.
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vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)It's because climate change is a hoax and God won't let that happen. Stupid talk
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)they want it to happen. They're trying to bring about the end of the world cuz they think they're going to be vacuumed up into heaven to live forever with their sky daddy. You know, the one who hasn't done shit for them the past 2000 years.
Traildogbob
(8,703 posts)Each one a personal Mansion and streets of gold.
But they did not think it through, no NASCAR, Guns or Bud Light. For eternity. And
..no Trumps!😩 Wait, mansions and gold? Thought Jesus hated wealth and greed, but God uses those things to bribe ya to hang with him? Religion is so damn confusing.
ashredux
(2,603 posts)KS Toronado
(17,178 posts)They do love stocking up on guns and ammo with their 2nd amendment rights.
NNadir
(33,509 posts)...to define what "going green" means.
I have spent much of my adult life thinking about that in great detail - I'm not young - and I can say definitively, it is not what the general public thinks "going green" is.
ashredux
(2,603 posts)NNadir
(33,509 posts)...who think that "acting" involves tearing up more and more wilderness to make wind farms built with coal derived steel, copper from roasted ores, lanthanides extracted using nitric acid made from natural gas, and separated using solvent extraction based on petroleum based solvents, building piles of batteries the size of Mount Whitney containing ketones derived from gas and oil, and covering all the world with solar cells made with silicon reduced with carbon.
And when the sun is down, and the wind isn't blowing, burn natural gas.
We have actually spent trillions of dollars on this pixilated reactionary exercise, all over the world, for no result, other than the acceleration of climate change.
"Acting" will not involve cheering for wind and solar and pretending that electric cars are "green."
Like I say, I've been studying it a long time.
To me, "acting" is obvious, but after 20 years here, among people who generally believe, as I do, that climate change is "real," I have very little confidence that people who both believe its real, and who also know how to act, exist in large enough numbers to actually make a difference.
Brogrizzly
(145 posts)druidity33
(6,445 posts)build more nuclear power plants!
Am i right?
NNadir
(33,509 posts)I regard opposing nuclear power plants as criminally insane.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)The massive amounts of contaminated water that is being created are going to be put where? What is the safe, long term storage solution for nuclear waste?
Im so criminally insane that a smart grid coupled with things like liquid salt energy storage put renewables on track to provide real, long term energy solutions long before any body will be able to find a solution for what to do with nuclear waste.
NNadir
(33,509 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 4, 2021, 08:46 AM - Edit history (1)
If one studies Fukushima on a very, very, very detailed fashion, rather than chanting it to try to end all intelligent conversation, one recognizes that such selective attention is, um, criminally insane.
If one studies the chemistry and physics of used nuclear fuels on a profound level using the primary scientific literature, as I have been doing for over 30 years, ever since Chernobyl blew up, thus establishing the upper limit for a nuclear disaster, one recognizes that thinking about so called "nuclear waste" while ignoring dangerous fossil fuel waste, which is killing millions of people per year at an accelerating rate, while people whine about so called "nuclear waste" that hasn't killed anyone, one knows what is and is not criminally insane..
I'm an old man. I read Amory Lovins asinine piece about Molten Salt Tanks to make so called "renewable energy" work in 1976, and I thought, being an uneducated rube, that it made sense. Energy Strategy: The Road Not Taken?
In 1976, November, when Lovins published his very, very, very stupid paper, the concentration of carbon dioxide, a dangerous fossil fuel waste that is actually causing cities and forests to burst into flame while people whine about Fukushima, was 329.25 ppm, (the week beginning October 31, 1976). This April, we hit 420.01.
That the world bought into Lovins' unfortunate horseshit has represented a crime against humanity.
Half a century of cheering for bourgeois fantasies about a reactionary return to so called "renewable energy" has had no result. It's making things worse, not better.
We've thrown trillions of dollars at this reactionary fantasy. It didn't work. It isn't working. It won't work.
Consider me unimpressed. To my mind, and I've done the work to back it up, as opposed to chanting slogans, opposing nuclear energy is criminally insane.
What happened at Fukushima, where 20,000 people died from seawater - raising the issue of whether coastal cities are safe - and very few, if any, people died from radiation is easily engineered away, just like we engineer away the issues leading to aircraft failure (which have killed far more people than radiation at Fukushima).
I regard the contempt for nuclear engineering, nuclear science, nuclear engineers, and nuclear scientists as criminally insane.
When the nuclear reactors at Fukushima were destroyed, along with buildings, cars, and many other things, by a natural disaster, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere was 391.46 ppm (the week beginning March 6, 2011). Ten years later, exactly, the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere - from which no living thing can be isolated - was 416.94 ppm (the week beginning March 7, 2021).
If people cared as much about the growth of the dangerous fossil fuel waste on the entire planet by 25.48 ppm in just ten years, as they do about elevated background radiation from Fukushima - based on very obsessive and rather silly understanding of radiation - the world would not be criminally insane.
But it is criminally insane.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)All climate change solutions that don't involve building a massive amount of nuclear plants are doomed to fail imo. We have the answer, we've had it since the 50s and we can't do anything because people are irrationally scared of nuclear.
ashredux
(2,603 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)America we have lost control of our government. Yet we still refuse to accept and react to this fact.