WATCH: Member of 'Heavily Armed' Group Rise of the Moors Broadcasts Live DURING Standoff

[George II]

WATCH: Member of ‘Heavily Armed’ Group Rise of the Moors Broadcasts Live DURING Standoff with MA State Police

One member of a “heavily armed” group called “Rise of the Moors” took to social media to air live video during a standoff with Massachusetts State Police, which was eventually ended with 11 people in custody.

The standoff began Saturday morning when police stopped to aid two disabled vehicles, and discovered the group were armed with long guns and handguns, and were dressed in tactical gear. From The Boston Globe:

Nine people are in custody Saturday morning during a standoff with a group of armed men who were encountered by a trooper who stopped to assist two vehicles in the breakdown lane on Interstate 95 in Wakefield Saturday morning, State Police said.

Police had announced two arrests during a press conference just after 8 a.m. The remaining arrests were reported in a subsequent statement.

Police are now conducting sweeps of their two vehicles and the nearby woods, according to the statement, released at 10:30 a.m.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-member-of-heavily-armed-group-rise-of-the-moors-broadcasts-live-during-standoff-with-ma-state-police/

[lark]

1. Find then lock up the right wing assholes.

[brooklynite]

3. They're fringe African Americans...

http://www.riseofthemoors.org/

[ret5hd]

4. You love this don't you?

They’re still RW assholes.

[brooklynite]

13. Are the MOVE folks in Philadelphia RW assholes?

Fringe groups exist on both sides of the spectrum.

[brooklynite]

17. I trust you'll be making insinuations about this post?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215587794#post51

[StarfishSaver]

23. Wow. They sure look scary ...

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

2. Let's see...

...if they get the same treatment as heavily armed citizens waving confederate flags.

[Hortensis]

5. No one seems to know what "Rise of the Moors" is about.

State Police Col. Christopher Mason said the men identified themselves as being part of a group known as Rise of the Moors. The group's website describes them as "Moorish Americans dedicated to educating new Moors and influencing our Elders."

“Their self-professed leader wanted very much known their ideology is not anti-government,” Mason said. “Our investigation will provide us more insight into what their motivation, what their ideology is.” ...

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center's website, the Moorish sovereign citizen movement is a collection of independent organizations and lone individuals that emerged in the early 1990s as an offshoot of the antigovernment sovereign citizens movement, which believes that individual citizens hold sovereignty over, and are independent of, the authority of federal and state governments.

It is not clear if Rise of the Moors is specifically affiliated with that movement.

Mason said he did not have any knowledge of this group prior to Saturday, but said it is not unusual for state police to encounter people with "sovereign ideologies."

I skipped through the video but didn't see where this young man's quoting of their legal rights actually explained what they are about and why they're heavily armed. Maybe they're allies of Killer Mike just defending their right to arm under the Second Amendment.

Crazy times.

[KS Toronado]

6. I looked through their website also for about 10 minutes

Got the impression they are peace loving Muslims holding on to some ancient teachings.
Seen no anti-government stuff.

[Hortensis]

7. Likely are, but being active young folk it'd not be strange

if they not only joined the move to arm among some black people in this dangerous era but even likely that they're being negatively affected by the sweep of aggressive hostilities and increasing extremism across much of society. There's certainly an apparent dissonance between some telling the police they don't recognize our laws and the video and website virtuous rhetoric.

Though well spoken, there are indications of aggression on that website, such as vaunting of "adverse possession" as a justified way of achieving some kind of reparations for themselves. As in when trespasssers are able to legally establish a claim to property after occupying it for a while. We own a rural property a thousand miles away, abandoned since a relative died. We haven't seen it for several years, it's not worth anything, but it's boarded up and we pay taxes on it, and we'd have a problem with an adverse taking.

[Devil Child]

15. Here is info on one peaceful fellow traveler of their ideology

A Florida man accused of fatally shooting his girlfriend and a police officer near Orlando appeared in court last week, using what a judge described as a “sovereign citizen” line of defense.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/03/06/suspect-two-murders-labeled-%E2%80%9Csovereign-citizen%E2%80%9D-1

[KS Toronado]

20. Your Devil Child picture looks friendly, Angel like.

[obamanut2012]

30. They are 100% anti-government types

They are literally RWNJ sov cits, who, among other things, steal people's homes, beat up teh owners, and threaten to kill them. They suck. like all sov cits do.

[Ms. Toad]

16. They have been around for a long time -

I wrote some judicial opinions responding to their legal gibberish in 200 - 2002.

Mostly known as sovereign citizens. Essentially they belive that the laws do not apply to them unless they choose to enter into a contract with you. Most are white. This happens to be a black sub-group that has a slightly different history.

So to respond to criminal complaints, they cite a bunch of contract law.

[obamanut2012]

29. They are AA sov cits

They are RWNJ and steal people's homes, among other things. Like all sov cits, they are pretty terrible people with terrible beliefs.

[underpants]

8. I'd like to see less of this not Moor

[11 Bravo]

28. Pinboy3niner would be proud of you!

I still miss him ... DU friend, brother-in-arms, and all round great guy.

[malaise]

32. Yes indeed

[underpants]

33. (Bows in honor)

[Progressive Jones]

9. On the video, this idiot claims he's in "Morocco". LMAO! nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. Yet they can't figure out how much gas they need for a trip? n/t

[jpak]

11. Armed Moors training in 98% white Maine?

Am I missing something?

Yikes

[WHITT]

12. According To Costanza

it's Moops.

[Ms. Toad]

14. These are a variation on sovereign citizens -

This particular sub-group is black.

Essentially they believe that laws are only applicable to them if they have agreed to enter into a contract with the state.

When they get arrested you hear, "I do not consent" and "I do not wish to contract with you."

They insist that as free citizens they do not have to register cars, get driver's licenses, etc.

They pull their legal gibberish from actual laws - but taken way out of context. So, from the perspective of someone who has had to respond (on behalf of courts) to their nonsense, they are much harder to deal with because they are not citing pure gibberish - merely out-of-context, cobbled-together, actual laws.

[gulliver]

19. Or, to simplify, they're just nuts.

[uponit7771]

21. Right

[Ms. Toad]

24. They are law-focused gish-gallop nuts.

The challenging thing, from a legal perspective (the situation in which I have encountered them) is that they are citing actual laws. The problem is that they are citing them out of context, in situations to which they do not apply.

So when a filing from one of these pro se sovereign citizens pops up it in court, it takes an inordinate amount of time to get rid of because you can't just say they are spouting nonsense. Because they aren't. You have to identify the source of the law, find the parts of it that identify when it is applicable, anlayze why this situation isn't that situation. And on, and on, for pages and pages of real law taken out of context.

[obamanut2012]

31. The whole fringed flag in a court nonsense, too

[gulliver]

18. This should be blamed on the rising mania created by Trumpism and Fox News

All nuts will be coming out of the woodwork thanks to the nuttiness and rotten idiocy of the divisive, racist, rage-infused paranoia for which Trump and the Republicans are squarely to blame.

[Ms. Toad]

25. They have been around a lot longer than Trump and Fox news.

As a judicial attorney in the early 2000s, I had to draft opinions in response to appeals from these folks. And they were not new then.

[gulliver]

26. My point isn't that Trump and Fox News originated them but, rather, rattled their cages.

I definitely do appreciate your information on this, though. These types of wackos have always been around, but usually they are (as is proper) squelched and shoved into the political cellar by the relatively sane majority and by the legitimate media. Trump and Fox News didn't originate the anti-democratic, speciously justified, cracked, rottenness we see today. They just fed on it and strengthened it, the better to feed on it some more.

Trump and Fox News (among others) exposed and radicalized the Republican id until that party is now simply lunatic. That, in turn, encourages all manner of wackos of all political persuasions such as the current broken units we're talking about in this post.

[Ms. Toad]

27. I think probaby the big difference is the willingness of media to

search them out and shine a spotlight on them, especially without performing a reality check of any sort.

[musette_sf]

22. There was a news article last week

about a woman in New Jersey who had recently purchased a house, and while she was preparing to move in, "Sovereign citizens from the Al Moroccan Empire" broke in, changed the locks, and attempted to claim the house and land as their "ancestral home".

She said she had received a letter dated May 20 in the mail from a group called Al Moroccan Empire Consulate at New Jersey State Republic telling her the home belonged to them.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/06/28/man-places-moorish-flag-at-womans-new-jersey-home-claims-sovereign-status-gave-him-ownership-of-the-property/

https://www.wonkette.com/sovereign-citizens-try-to-steal-womans-newly-bought-house-claiming-its-theirs