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Nevilledog

(51,200 posts)
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 04:56 PM Jul 2021

Brookings report concludes: Donald Trump at "serious" risk of indictment




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/brookings-report-concludes-donald-trump-at-serious-risk-of-indictment/ar-AALJQOQ?ocid=st

A blockbuster report from the Brookings Institute this week concluded that former President Donald Trump is at "serious" risk of indictment for a number of alleged crimes, including tax dodging, falsifying records and a variety of business-related fraud.

The 60-page report, released Monday, came just days before criminal indictments against Trump Organization and its longtime finance chief were unsealed Thursday. Both the company and CFO Allen Weisselberg were accused of staging a 15-year-long scheme to avoid payroll taxes for top executives through the use of off-the-books corporate benefits.

Brookings describes the report's four authors as "experts with a broad array of backgrounds as scholars, practitioners, former prosecutors, and defense lawyers, who have served under state or federal administrations headed by leaders of both political parties, and who have substantial relevant experience with the particular investigating offices here." They include Georgetown Law School professor and Deputy Attorney General under George H.W. Bush, Donald Ayer; former federal prosecutor Danya Perry; experienced criminal litigator John Cuti and senior Brookings fellow Norman Eisen, who served as counsel to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee during the process of President Trump's first impeachment trial.

To reach their conclusions, the authors write that they consulted "court filings, media reports, congressional transcripts, and other sources," which were public but had never been compiled in the same place.

*snip*

Link to full report
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/BR_Trump_Report_final.pdf

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Brookings report concludes: Donald Trump at "serious" risk of indictment (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2021 OP
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2021 #1
JAYSUS, HE GETS MORE ORANGE BY THE DAY Skittles Jul 2021 #2
And the chingina keeps getting bigger🤮 we can do it Jul 2021 #3
You're right. Eww, eww, eew, eww, ewwww. 🤢 ShazzieB Jul 2021 #21
Missed his ears, again. ChazInAz Jul 2021 #18
I'm not always sure if he gets creepier looking PatSeg Jul 2021 #22
Might match his new outfit? calimary Jul 2021 #24
Kick mcar Jul 2021 #4
Re Weisselberg flipping/not flipping NQAS Jul 2021 #5
another factor. donnie little-knackers knows a few russian hoods and the press release that certainot Jul 2021 #16
Weisselberg may get hit with a RICO charge (in NY, it's an "enterprise" charge) and Eyeball_Kid Jul 2021 #19
Even if he only does 5 years he's still facing the very real possibility of dying in prison BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #36
Theres usually no honor among thieves, unless one's life or onetexan Jul 2021 #42
Not going to happen unless Weisselberg flips Poiuyt Jul 2021 #6
McConney already has....Trump Org controller Nevilledog Jul 2021 #7
No, he hasn't. And the article you cited in no way supports that assertion. littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #26
He's already testified to the grand jury Nevilledog Jul 2021 #29
That article in no way supports your assertion. littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #30
Are you saying he hasn't testified to the grand jury? Nevilledog Jul 2021 #32
I am saying that your assertion that the article you posted the link to in no way supports littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #33
The first article was identifying who he was. It's from almost a month ago. Nevilledog Jul 2021 #34
So apparently he's the so called unindicted co-conspirator? nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #38
Yes. Nevilledog Jul 2021 #39
Thank you. ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #40
... Nevilledog Jul 2021 #41
Probably going to be the first prisoner in history whose orange jumpsuit will be camo. BobTheSubgenius Jul 2021 #8
Bwahahaha Nevilledog Jul 2021 #10
Excellent! Wish I had thought of this. TheRickles Jul 2021 #14
har har! certainot Jul 2021 #17
"Risk" is meaningless until he's actually indicted. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #9
If I was told I was at risk of some serious disease or disorder it sure wouldn't be meaningless! triron Jul 2021 #11
I have an autoimmune disorder that puts me at risk for littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #27
True, but the risk of some serious disease PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #37
One would hope so. n/t. NNadir Jul 2021 #12
What about... JackHughes Jul 2021 #13
Bingo! /nt bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #15
Al Capone. Tax evasion. paleotn Jul 2021 #20
Lock him up!!! Initech Jul 2021 #23
Interesting Tidbit... COL Mustard Jul 2021 #25
The IRS will have to get him Warpy Jul 2021 #28
It's a travesty he is not indicted already. NT Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #31
It all sounds great but who's going to be the first to step off the curb and actually indict him? BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #35
Lock him up!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 #43

PatSeg

(47,602 posts)
22. I'm not always sure if he gets creepier looking
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 06:57 PM
Jul 2021

all the time or if I've just forgotten how truly ugly and weird he is.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
5. Re Weisselberg flipping/not flipping
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 05:15 PM
Jul 2021

He’s 73. Maybe he has health issues. Maybe not. Maybe if doesn’t matter to him whether he spends time with his grandchildren. Maybe it does. Who knows?

Maybe he doesn’t care about going to jail because he has millions locked in for his family on his conviction or his death. Not a trump promise, which is meaningless, but actual money socked away and available to him when he falls on his sword or dies.

Not especially honorable, but after working for this time family for 50 years honor is almost certainly not in his vocabulary. Snd it’s the only way omertà works.

This may not apply to others or to his offspring because they are not old.
Just a thought.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
16. another factor. donnie little-knackers knows a few russian hoods and the press release that
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 06:12 PM
Jul 2021

the former guy sent out re weisselberg included something about, you know, how much he loves his family, how much he loves his wife, kids, grandkids, etc..... he wouldn't do nothin to hurt them, right?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
19. Weisselberg may get hit with a RICO charge (in NY, it's an "enterprise" charge) and
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 06:25 PM
Jul 2021

if guilty, can lose all of his assets accumulated in the group action. That can be everything. I'm sure that it will be part of the equation for Weisselberg, who will, I think, eventually flip. So will Jared, but only if the RICO attorney at Manhattan does his job.

BannonsLiver

(16,460 posts)
36. Even if he only does 5 years he's still facing the very real possibility of dying in prison
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 08:52 PM
Jul 2021

If he had to do the full stretch he’s almost assured to be dead before he gets out. Questions he’ll have to ponder.

onetexan

(13,061 posts)
42. Theres usually no honor among thieves, unless one's life or
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 11:36 PM
Jul 2021

One's loved ones are threathened. I think he'll flip.

Poiuyt

(18,130 posts)
6. Not going to happen unless Weisselberg flips
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 05:18 PM
Jul 2021

Donald never used emails or text messages that could be used to incriminate himself. Somebody on the inside has to flip.

littlemissmartypants

(22,813 posts)
26. No, he hasn't. And the article you cited in no way supports that assertion.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 07:20 PM
Jul 2021

From the article

McConney could prove tough to flip. His loyalty runs so deep it apparently extends to his offspring.


Nevilledog

(51,200 posts)
29. He's already testified to the grand jury
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 07:37 PM
Jul 2021

No lawyer would let him testify without immunity. Unless you don't count immunity as flipping.
They also got those two sets of books from someone. It wouldn't have been Weisselberg because it opened him up for charges, which have materialized.


I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong if different info comes out.

Nevilledog

(51,200 posts)
32. Are you saying he hasn't testified to the grand jury?
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 08:10 PM
Jul 2021

I'm relying on my 27 years as a criminal defense attorney. No offense, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. As am I.

Edit to Add article




https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-organization-charges-07-01-21/h_01d2d4d60bd6bf182bb72a793c759e0c




If he wasn't cooperating he wouldn't be Unindicted Co-conspirator #1, he'd be charged as well as Weisselberg.

littlemissmartypants

(22,813 posts)
33. I am saying that your assertion that the article you posted the link to in no way supports
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 08:20 PM
Jul 2021

That notion. If you have a link to a source that supports the assertion that he has flipped by his appearance before the grand jury, I am interested in reading it.

If you are saying that the article link you posted supports the grand jury appearance, it doesn't. I read the entire thing, word for word.

I'm in no way questioning your employment history. So
could please share a link to an article that supports your assertion? Thank you in advance.


Nevilledog

(51,200 posts)
34. The first article was identifying who he was. It's from almost a month ago.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 08:39 PM
Jul 2021

I've seen tons of stuff here about Weisselberg as opposed to McConney.

Hopefully we'll find out for sure sooner rather than later.

This from the 2nd article

McConney, who has worked for the Trump Organization for decades, recently testified before the grand jury, CNN has previously reported. McConney was questioned about how the Trump Organization operates and asked about compensation, people familiar with the matter told CNN.

In New York state, individuals called before a state grand jury receive transactional immunity, meaning they would not be prosecuted for their testimony unless they lie.



PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,902 posts)
9. "Risk" is meaningless until he's actually indicted.
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 05:36 PM
Jul 2021

Then goes to trial. Then to jail.

Meanwhile, he's free and grifting as ever.

littlemissmartypants

(22,813 posts)
27. I have an autoimmune disorder that puts me at risk for
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 07:23 PM
Jul 2021

Pancreatic cancer...but it's highly unlikely. But I guess time will tell. In the mean time I'm not going into a panic.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,902 posts)
37. True, but the risk of some serious disease
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 09:07 PM
Jul 2021

is a lot different from Trump being indicted. Whether or not you get the disease depends on biology and chemistry, not some judge finally deciding to indict.

I just have zero confidence there will be an consequences for Donald J Trump or any of his children. I hope I'm wrong, and you guys here all get to remind me of that.

COL Mustard

(5,927 posts)
25. Interesting Tidbit...
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 07:13 PM
Jul 2021

Mrs. Weiselberg is named Hilary. When TFG was talking about locking up Hillary, was he really talking about her???

Asking for a friend , you understand. I personally would never ask such a silly question.

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
28. The IRS will have to get him
Sat Jul 3, 2021, 07:36 PM
Jul 2021

I can't see either Biden or Merrick Garland wanting to open that particular can of worms, no matter how badly it needs to be opened.

The next guy will have to throw him to the DOJ wolves.

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