General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'That Person Is Nina Turner': Progressive Nabs July 4 Endorsement of Largest Ohio Newspaper
Citing the "pioneering civil rights legacy of the late U.S. Rep. Louis Stokes of Cleveland," who served constituents in the district that spans portions of Cleveland and Cuyahoga County for 15 terms from 1968 to 1999, the Cleveland Plain Dealer endorsed Turner on July 4th by saying she would be the best candidate to replicate Stokes' ability "to speak out for the rights, needs and interests of urban, largely poor constituents of color, too often neglected in the business of the U.S. Congress."
According to the paper's editorial:
Who best among the 13 Democrats on the Aug. 3 special primary ballot seeking the Democratic nod for this overwhelmingly Democratic district to carry on that legacy?
There is one person in this crowded field who has shown she isn't afraid to stand up to power and to partisan shibboleths, who has the guts to say what she thinks and do what's right for her constituents and country, who is passionate about public service and knows the issues, the personalities, the challenges better than anyone else in this race.
That person is Nina Turner.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/05/person-nina-turner-progressive-nabs-july-4-endorsement-largest-ohio-newspaper
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)"Turner is the heavyweight in this primary race," the editorial continued, "compared with its other big fundraiser, Shontel Brown, 46, of Warrensville Heights. Brown is a pleasant but undistinguished member of Cuyahoga County Council who has little to show for her time in office..."
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)for Democrats.
George II
(67,782 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...newspapers in Ohio.
If I got their endorsement I wouldn't be bragging about it.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)Surely that isn't the case.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)I'm aware of her record and where she stands now.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)Also, there have been a few ethical lapses:
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)more good for transgender people than someone who doesn't.
George II
(67,782 posts)...have run for office a number of times in the past without being called unethical by anyone. Nothing wrong with that at all.
What's not ethical about it?
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Dropped it into the subject line, then nothing. Wonder why.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)Are you OK with those statements?
George II
(67,782 posts)Also, there have been a few ethical lapses:
is a pleasant but undistinguished member of Cuyahoga County Council who has little to show for her time in office, and who failed to do what was right -- to step down as Cuyahoga County Democratic Party chair once shed announced her candidacy in this race.
So what statements are you talking about (and context, please)?
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)"The only candidate in any competition" = Brown. Because they are the only candidate even close to Turner
"has a problem with transphobic misgendering..." = Brown. Because she's done that.
If you don't know about the misgendering, then you haven't paid attention to the other threads I've seen you on that gave links to that.
So, do you support the transphobia of Brown? Please make sure to, you know, answer the question this time since I answered yours.
George II
(67,782 posts)But it's nice to see I'm so important that you keep track of my past posts.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)Still haven't seen an answer.
And since the context seems to hard for you.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)If you don't know about it (which I don't believe) then do the research on the candidate you seem to support.
Your lack of an answer is not cute.
George II
(67,782 posts)....was the vague and cryptic reference to "transphobia" which the poster didn't expand upon.
I'm fully aware of the comments made by Shontel Brown, and I'm satisfied with the way she addressed it and explained why she made the comments as she did. It's blatantly obvious that the manner in which she commented was not intended to be disrespectful and she most certainly is NOT transphobic.
George II
(67,782 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)How are so many not seeing what is obvious to many/most here?
Autumn
(48,962 posts)hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)Party from within.
Sorry, Autumn, That is a big and very disingenuous FAIL!
Autumn
(48,962 posts)another black woman for his seat is the very disingenuous fucking FAIL!
I would think he would be very proud. Changing something does not mean destroying something. ALL things change, even political parties.
Nina destroying the Dem party?
hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)Good GAWD. As though one is as "good" as another and there is no need to differentiate as individual candidates? REALLY? DISGUSTING
I surely have more respect for the late Stokes than THAT.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)a vote. It up to the people in that district and I also think the people who have endorsed Turner have already weighed the individual candidates and decided on her, an individual candidate.
Turner has a lot of support. Myself, I think hate is DISGUSTING but knock yourself out while yelling about respect.
Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)hlthe2b neither said nor implied that. You injected race into a comment that had absolutely nothing to do with it in a transparent attempt to paint another DUer as racist. That's pretty abhorrent, in my opinion, but given the tone of other comments you've made, it's also unsurprising.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Abhorrent yet unsurprising.
Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)Dishonest rhetorical tactics and thinly-veiled personal attacks seem to be their MO. At the very least their tone is snarky and condescending.
Chili
(1,725 posts)Betting a lot of people didn't pay attention to all the ugliness she displayed in both 2016 and 2020, even though CNN and MSNBC had numerous mentions of her behavior. Here, we hear and read about it. Out there...
Freakin' worrisome.
Walleye
(44,807 posts)That could apply to anybody at the end of the bar on their second beer.
pfft... lightweights
Walleye
(44,807 posts)Vinca
(53,994 posts)latched onto Bernie-ism in a way that would put a Trumphumper to shame, she became less of an advocate and more of a thorn. Just my opinion.
question everything
(52,134 posts)automatic media attention.
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Rewarding people for encouraging people not to vote for the Democratic nominee
Arazi
(8,887 posts)Well done! Very fast on this thread
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)I feel the same way about her as she feels about President Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...she doubled down on it.
So it wasn't just a flippant analogy said off the cuff. She meant it.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)She should get a pass on likening the Democratic nominee to half a bowl of shit... why, exactly? If her words are coming back to haunt her, perhaps she shouldn't have said them.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)"What she really meant was ____ ?"
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to the Republicans, and her enmity was nothing new then and has continued since.
Worse even, she also campaigned for an independent running on the Democratic ticket by pushing constant lies that state Democratic parties were STEALING the primary elections. Their BIG LIE in dozens of states. AND, she also pushed her candidate's PROMISE TO ILLICITLY TAKE THE NOMINATION (!) himself if needed.
Sound at all familiar? Trump and the Republicans were and are doing the very same thing. And their supporters doing the same as those she spoke to.
If I subscribed to the Plain Dealer, I'd cancel right now. Zero tolerance for dirty, anti-democratic tactics we must run out of government by defeating the Republican Party, not embed in our own.
Pisces
(6,235 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)To know who is and who is not, examine their behavior.
So basic.
DFW
(60,186 posts)"Ni l'un, ni l'autre."
(neither the one nor the other)
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)She could be held responsible for what we had the last 4 years.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Anyone can look up video of her on TV saying to national audiences that she wouldn't vote Democratic, and more effort would turn up other old videos and writings of her to anti-Democratic audiences and groups.
It's understandable if non-Democrats trying to defeat the Democratic Party approved her then and support her now in this race. This congressional seat will be won by one of the people running on the Democratic ballot. But that's them.
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)does not translate to making a difference in Congress.
it's unfortunate too many do not recognize that. Bernie falsely claimed in both presidential contests that if he was elected he would do all manner of progressive reforms from the seat of the white house, flipping centuries of corrupt capitalists policies.
could not possibly happen without congress, the Senate, and the Supreme court.
Nina Turner can yell, scream, rant and demonize her would be colleagues till the banshees come home, and make the base feel great, but it won't deliver the goods as a result. The Plain Dealer is as wrong headed as Nina Turner is but obviously should be aware of that.
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)things every day but actually gets almost nothing done! Makes me nuts.
I speak out about things too. Doesn't make me a legislator.
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)I think I misspelled her name. If so, apologies.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)power. Trying to get people to believe the only reason progressive policies aren't easily passed is corruption. They will stop at nothing to defeat Us. Get money out of politics by electing me and it's easy! Populists need lots of enemies to take on and save The People. Only they can save us from the establishment!
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)"Engelbert Fartsnacker DESTROYS Gravyface Buttsnorkler!" Then you watch the video and it's a contentious debate at best, but ordinarily it's a simple, "No, the actual facts are..." Total silliness.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Liberals sour on Bernie
The big picture: Three factors are fueling the shift. Some feel he's not pushing President Biden far enough to the left anymore. Some believe his time as the movement leader has simply passed. Some fear tying their brand to Sanders is a gift to opponents to weaponize in crowded primaries or in general elections and they're instead weighing the merits of aligning more directly with Biden.
Driving the news: Even some of Sanders closest allies like Nina Turner, his 2020 campaign co-chair, who's running in a hotly contested Aug. 3 Democratic primary for a special election for Ohio's 11th congressional district haven't been running with his endorsement front and center.
snip============================================================================================
https://www.axios.com/the-lefts-bernie-burnout-2a3952b2-d9f7-4f07-90e2-7e22a3105710.html
*************************************************************************************************
Has Sen. Nina Turner distanced herself from the peoples party?
https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/
blm
(114,658 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)News bias
Labels such as 'liberal' and 'conservative' are subjective, but newspapers and news magazines have a choice in both how they report events and where they position them, signaling to readers the relative importance of a particular event in the news cycle. You can tell a lot about a news publication's political leanings from what they publish; where they place the event (front page or buried on page 12); and which editorial columns they choose to run, among other criteria.
*The editorial positions of most newspapers in 2016 was either to endorse Clinton or refrain from endorsing anyone.
Leans Liberal
New York Times
Boston Globe
Washington Post
San Francisco Chronicle
Los Angeles Times
The Baltimore Sun
The Sacramento Bee
The Charlotte Observer
Tampa Bay Times
Bangor Daily News
Hartford Courant
The Denver Post
The Seattle Times
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
The Plain Dealer
Detroit Free Press
https://library.bu.edu/c.php?g=617120&p=4452935
blm
(114,658 posts)PDs left is center.
https://www.salon.com/2004/10/27/cleveland_plain_dealer/
Arazi
(8,887 posts)blm
(114,658 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 6, 2021, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)
Its a right wing company. Its nods to the left are notable because they are rare.
mactire
(130 posts)Perhaps the PD is actually warning its readers with this conditional endorsement . They suggest she come closer to the center, and wants her to be practical not ideological. Her district was very supportive of Ms. Clinton ( 80 percent +) while Turner was against endorsing her! NT said she would eventually back the democratic platform, which she hardly seems to do wholeheartedly. She tends to be divisive, another narcissist that loves a mic in hand,and a fawning crowd as she speechifies loudly to the camera. Her career is mostly unimpressive and its a given that shell be another distraction that will not serve the democratic platform well. [yes, I have seen her at political events while visiting Cuyahoga county in the past]
Budi
(15,325 posts)The Cleveland Plain Dealer, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, and Reddit are all produced by Advance Publications
"Money & Media" he said with a smirk
Corporations & Capitalism suddenly isn't a bad thing?
Ok then, Got it 🙄
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....renowned union buster. Under his watch hundreds of union workers were laid off.
It makes sense that it was a legendary muckraking journalist, Upton Sinclair, who coined the truism about how hard it is to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. And its not so surprising after Advance Medias brutal round of union-busting layoffs at the Plain Dealer last week that the companys top editor in Cleveland, Chris Quinn, is having a tough time understanding, or pretending to not understand, why everyone is so upset.
With last weeks layoffs having completed a process by which a PD newsroom of 350 union-backed journalists has been decimated, over a decade, to 63 non-union reporters under the banner of Cleveland.com, there has naturally been an outcry over the death of journalism in Cleveland. As Sam Allard observed last week in a scathing assessment of these developments in these pages, an already overburdened Cleveland.com newsroom is now much more so, with legitimate journalism sure to be increasingly drowned out by torrents of brain-numbing clickbait and sponsored content, and further cheapened by a truly abominable social media presence. And with news outlets nationwide having been subject to similar cuts, its been widely observed that our political campaigns are [increasingly] guided by out-of-state donors and consultants, not candidates and voters, our legislative chambers are gerrymandered, [and] our court races are politicized in ways that are dramatically at odds with how they were designed to be run.
In other words, with 80% fewer journalists in Cleveland to fulfill the essential function of uncovering stories to inform the public, it stands to basic reason that the public will be 80% less informed.
The problem here is obvious and critical. To everyone but Quinn, anyway, who took to the pages of Cleveland.com this weekend to pen a wildly defensive and Orwellian column claiming not only that journalism isnt dying in Cleveland but that in fact it thrives, and anyone suggesting otherwise has dubious motives, and appear[s] to be unafflicted by truth. The relevant paragraphs, where Quinn also lashed out at critics, former colleagues, and the very notion of adversarial journalism, are as follows:
The people I work with just keep their heads down and produce the stories, photos, audio and video that you so clearly value you engage with it in huge numbers.
I find so much dignity in my cleveland.com colleagues. They do the work. Diligently. Accurately. With quiet determination. Without bias.
Theres a danger in your not getting to know them, though. Some people with dubious motives people who appear to be unafflicted by truth would have you believe that journalism is dying in Cleveland. Thats false, of course, as any objective review of cleveland.coms coronavirus coverage would prove. Journalism thrives in Cleveland in the form of our 60-plus reporters and editors.
Note to hosts: only four copyright paragraphs are posted - the rest is a quote from Chris Quinn himself from elsewhere.
Thanks!
https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/04/13/clevelandcom-editor-chris-quinns-corporate-toolery-is-the-opposite-of-journalism
No Democrat or progressive should be proud of an endorsement from The Cleveland Plain Dealer
joetheman
(1,450 posts)will accomplish that.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)Turner on Wednesday accused the Ohio Federation of Teachers of launching a private vendetta against her and threatening her political career because the union objects to a provision in the Cleveland schools reform bill that would allow charter schools to share funds raised by city school levies. Turner is sponsoring the bill.
...
OFT president Melissa Cropper said her union supports the majority of the bill, which would apply only to Cleveland and would allow the city's mayor unprecedented authority to reconstitute schools and establish partnerships with charters in the city in a bid to improve Cleveland's dismal academic track record.
...
"We just don't like the precedent of local levy money going to support charter schools," said Cropper. While the bill would only affect Cleveland, Cropper noted that Gov. John Kasich has said that he would like to see it become a model for the rest of the state.
...
"They are deliberately invoking Senate Bill 5 and Kasich's name to stir up controversy," Turner said. "Just because Gov. Kasich may support this plan doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad plan. If someone were lying on the road dying would it matter to you who came to save you? If it was a Democrat or a Republican, would it matter?"
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2012/05/ohio_sen_nina_turner_at_odds_w.html
Yet another of Turner's weird "progressive" policy positions.
George II
(67,782 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)Also, she called Joe Biden a bowl of shit. Doesn't matter who endorses her when she acts like this.
Doesn't seem like someone who will vote with Democrats when we need her to. As we can see right now, that is the most important thing in a candidate.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)counter the Fascists in the Republican Party.
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)That's not rough around the edges.
When one votes against Democrats, one is not countering republiQans. One is HELPING republiQans.
The way to counter republiQans is to vote for Democrats.
She doesn't do that.
(This is pretty simple. Kind of shocking people don't seem to get it.)
Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. There's a lot of that going around these days, eh?
betsuni
(29,078 posts)"we're on the frontlines of the fight to overcome Hillary Clinton's machine and help Nina Turner win her primary." "Beating the establishment." Ugh.
I wonder how one avoids being "establishment" when one has been a senator, superdelegate, lobbyist, president of PACs, and worked for a presidential campaign!
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)or so, what she's been doing and saying.
I can't imagine Democrats voting for someone who so obviously despises the Democratic Party for supposedly rigging elections and being horribly corrupt, the same "bowl of shit" as Republicans. The only ones who believe that sort of thing are usually new to politics and don't know anything.
George II
(67,782 posts)....was poohed poohed and even derided as being "incredibly stupid" by Killer Mike, to which she nodded in agreement, but this is huge.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)"Nina Turner is too divisive to represent the 11th Congressional District
Too bad that The Plain Dealer supports Nina Turner in the Aug. 3 special Democratic primary election for the 11th Congressional District (Nina Turner in the Democratic primary for 11th Congressional District seat, July 4). Ms. Turners antics hurt the Democratic Party. She co-chaired Bernie Sanders campaign for the presidency in 2016 but after Hillary Clinton won the nomination, Ms. Turner refused to endorse Clinton against Donald Trump. Tepid support by Sanders supporters likely ensured Trumps victory. And even after four years of Trump, she wouldnt endorse Joe Biden, saying last July that voting for Biden was liking having half a bowl of s--- in front of you. Turners distasteful analogy was divisive when the Democrats needed cohesion to win the presidency and preserve our democracy. Im not eager to have a person as intemperate as Turner represent me in Congress. Im enthusiastic for Shontel Brown, who has the experience to represent the 11th District honorably, respectfully and collaboratively. As far as Ms. Turners divisiveness and intemperance are concerned, she could just as well be a Republican.
Dr. Michael M. Lederman,
Cleveland Heights"
https://www.cleveland.com/letters/2021/07/nina-turner-is-too-divisive-to-represent-the-11th-congressional-district.html
This is in response to this endorsement:
https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/07/nina-turner-in-the-democratic-primary-for-the-11th-congressional-district.html
jalan48
(14,914 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....a Democrat when they endorsed him:
https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2018/10/jim_jordan_in_the_4th_congress.html
....in this contest, Jim Jordan is the clear choice for another term for the people he has faithfully represented for the last 12 years.
oasis
(53,693 posts)"Wheeling and dealing" comes to mind.