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jalan48

(14,914 posts)
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 12:58 PM Jul 2021

'That Person Is Nina Turner': Progressive Nabs July 4 Endorsement of Largest Ohio Newspaper

Citing the "pioneering civil rights legacy of the late U.S. Rep. Louis Stokes of Cleveland," who served constituents in the district that spans portions of Cleveland and Cuyahoga County for 15 terms from 1968 to 1999, the Cleveland Plain Dealer endorsed Turner on July 4th by saying she would be the best candidate to replicate Stokes' ability "to speak out for the rights, needs and interests of urban, largely poor constituents of color, too often neglected in the business of the U.S. Congress."

According to the paper's editorial:

Who best among the 13 Democrats on the Aug. 3 special primary ballot seeking the Democratic nod for this overwhelmingly Democratic district to carry on that legacy?

There is one person in this crowded field who has shown she isn't afraid to stand up to power and to partisan shibboleths, who has the guts to say what she thinks and do what's right for her constituents and country, who is passionate about public service and knows the issues, the personalities, the challenges better than anyone else in this race.

That person is Nina Turner.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/05/person-nina-turner-progressive-nabs-july-4-endorsement-largest-ohio-newspaper

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'That Person Is Nina Turner': Progressive Nabs July 4 Endorsement of Largest Ohio Newspaper (Original Post) jalan48 Jul 2021 OP
Are the other candidates terrible? Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #1
From the newspaper editorial jalan48 Jul 2021 #4
Yeah. I read it. I don't agree with their characterization of Nina. I like people who vote Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #14
The editor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer and cleveland.com is a union buster. See #28 below. Thanks. George II Jul 2021 #29
The largest newspaper in Ohio endorsing Nina? Huge! jalan48 Jul 2021 #34
Also one of the largest union busting companies in Ohio and most likely THE largest union busting... George II Jul 2021 #35
They also endorsed Hillary in 2016 so.... jalan48 Jul 2021 #40
Five years ago, in a General Election, different editorial board so.... George II Jul 2021 #42
Sounds like they've moved to the left which is a good thing. jalan48 Jul 2021 #43
Seems more like they've move to the right since 2016. George II Jul 2021 #51
Seems like you trying to imply that Turner is anti-union. Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2021 #61
You may want to research her voting record as Ohio State Senator. George II Jul 2021 #69
I assume you are talking about her support in the past for charter schools in Cleveland. Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2021 #71
The only candidate in any competition has a problem with transphobic misgendering of trans women Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #32
Does she vote for Democrats? Because if she does vote for Democrats, she will do a lot Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #46
Not stepping down as Cuyahoga County Democratic Party chair is not an ethical lapse. County chairs.. George II Jul 2021 #60
I see you ignored the transphobia. Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2021 #62
So did the person to whom I responded, who brought up the so-called "transphobia" in the first place George II Jul 2021 #66
It's a pretty clear statement that says Brown has made transphobic statements. Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2021 #70
The post to which I responded: George II Jul 2021 #73
"The only candidate in any competition has a problem with transphobic misgendering..." Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2021 #76
Like I said, other than the word "transphobia" there was nothing else in that post.... George II Jul 2021 #78
So, do you support the transphobic statements of Brown? Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2021 #79
Where? George II Jul 2021 #80
I literally have you a link. Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2021 #81
You literally gave me a link to a page asking for input. What I was referring to earlier.... George II Jul 2021 #82
There's a really interesting "Letter to the Editor" on cleveland.com. We should all read it. George II Jul 2021 #83
... Scurrilous Jul 2021 #2
I can almost hear Louis Stokes turning in his grave... hlthe2b Jul 2021 #3
So Louis Stokes would be turning in his grave..because a black woman is bring endorsed for his seat? Autumn Jul 2021 #8
Over ANOTHER very well qualified Black woman candidate who has not tried to destroy the Democratic hlthe2b Jul 2021 #10
No, you deciding Stokes is turning over in his grave because a black woman is running against Autumn Jul 2021 #15
So you are unable to distinguish between INDIVIDUAL Black women candidates. Ummm, ok, Autumn hlthe2b Jul 2021 #16
They are both well qualified, so one is as good as the other. I don't live there I don't get Autumn Jul 2021 #93
"because a black woman is bring endorsed for his seat?" Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #86
I agree. betsuni Jul 2021 #88
Sadly it's about what I've come to expect from Autumn. Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #89
and Stephanie is too. Chili Jul 2021 #20
I'm kind of getting tired of people who "have the guts to say what they think" Walleye Jul 2021 #5
2 beers? luv2fly Jul 2021 #18
Of course some of these guys are perfectly hateful when sober Walleye Jul 2021 #22
I'm afraid, if elected, Nina will become the far left's Marj. I used to like her, but after she Vinca Jul 2021 #6
My only hope is that she would scramble the "Sqad" and all of a sudden AOC and Omar will lose thier question everything Jul 2021 #9
It's a virtual guarantee BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #13
She doesn't congregate well with others. LiberalFighter Jul 2021 #36
From comparing Biden to a bowl of shit, to what she did to Hillary in 2016, this is pathetic JohnSJ Jul 2021 #7
12 minutes to "bowl of shit" Arazi Jul 2021 #63
If she would have apologized for that analogy I would have a different take, but since she didn't JohnSJ Jul 2021 #65
Tiffany Cross gave her a chance to walk back that comment a month or so ago and instead... George II Jul 2021 #91
Yup. I believe Charles Blow also gave her an opportunity and she did the same thing. JohnSJ Jul 2021 #97
Did she or did she not say those words? Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #87
Why, is it fake news? She didn't say that? She didn't really mean that? betsuni Jul 2021 #92
She urged people to vote AGAINST Dems in 2016, helping throw the nation Hortensis Jul 2021 #11
I would urge people not to vote for her. She is not a trustworthy Dem Pisces Jul 2021 #25
To have good government, you elect good people. Hortensis Jul 2021 #26
As the French would say DFW Jul 2021 #37
Yep! She did not work to help elect Democrats. LiberalFighter Jul 2021 #38
Sure. Millions didn't work to help, though, but she worked against. Hortensis Jul 2021 #53
"Speaking Out" / "Standing Up to..." msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #12
Oh, God, yes! All the drooling headlines about the candidate who "speaks out" against Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #49
I sure hope Shontell pulls ahead.. msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #84
My favorite is "take on." Take on this and take on that, fight for, stand up to, speak truth to betsuni Jul 2021 #54
Or when they refute something and we're told they "SILENCED!" or "CRUSHED!" the other person. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #90
That nonsense is all over Youtube these days. Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #95
Axios had an interesting take on the race last week. lapucelle Jul 2021 #17
Plain Dealer is RW now. They aren't looking out FOR Dem voters. blm Jul 2021 #19
From Boston University Libraies jalan48 Jul 2021 #21
Inaccurate for PD. blm Jul 2021 #27
You just said it's right wing Arazi Jul 2021 #64
I said its left is center. blm Jul 2021 #75
PD "endorsement" mactire Jul 2021 #23
Newhouse/Advanced Publications also produces New Yorker & Reddit Budi Jul 2021 #24
Apparently now union busting is fine, too. George II Jul 2021 #30
The editor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer and cleveland.com (affiliated online publication) is a.... George II Jul 2021 #28
They are just trying to suppress the black Democratic vote. Nina as the national candidate joetheman Jul 2021 #31
They know a great Democrat when they see one! Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #33
Bowls for everyone I guess. 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2021 #39
Ohio Sen. Nina Turner at odds with state teachers union OilemFirchen Jul 2021 #41
Why didn't you link to the actual editorial endorsement itself instead of a subjective rehash of it? George II Jul 2021 #44
Feel free to link to the actual endorsement if it makes you feel better. jalan48 Jul 2021 #45
It just seems odd that if a newspaper publishes an endorsement the actual endorsement isn't used. George II Jul 2021 #47
The salient point is, "The largest newspaper in Ohio endorses Nina". jalan48 Jul 2021 #48
Or it could be surmised that they don't want the strongest Democrat to run against the republican? George II Jul 2021 #50
Huge Endorsement George. Huge. jalan48 Jul 2021 #52
Too bad she doesn't vote for Democrats and she encourages others not to vote for Democrats. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #55
She's a little rough around the edges but I like her strong voice. We will need more of those to jalan48 Jul 2021 #56
No. We need people to vote for Democrats. And calling Joe Biden a bowl of shit is not "strong." Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #57
"Kind of shocking people don't seem to get it." Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #96
Our Revolution (PAC Turner was president of) has hauled out the "Clinton machine" boogieman again. betsuni Jul 2021 #67
It's kind of crazy that people are endorsing her. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #68
I wonder if people in Ohio only remember her as a senator but don't know about the last five years betsuni Jul 2021 #77
Curious how the endorsement from Majority Whip James Clyburn for Shontel Brown last week.... George II Jul 2021 #58
Yes, and Ted Lieu too. jalan48 Jul 2021 #59
A letter to the editor about Nina Turner, and the Plain Dealer's endorsement, from Cleveland.com JohnSJ Jul 2021 #72
Sounds like Shontel has Mr. Lederman's vote. jalan48 Jul 2021 #74
Sounds like Jim Jordan has the Cleveland Plain Dealer's vote. Remember, Jordan ran against.... George II Jul 2021 #98
What the hell were the Plain Dealer folks thinking? oasis Jul 2021 #85
It should be noted that the Cleveland Plain Dealer endorsed Jim Jordan in the last election. George II Jul 2021 #94

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
4. From the newspaper editorial
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:02 PM
Jul 2021

"Turner is the heavyweight in this primary race," the editorial continued, "compared with its other big fundraiser, Shontel Brown, 46, of Warrensville Heights. Brown is a pleasant but undistinguished member of Cuyahoga County Council who has little to show for her time in office..."

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
14. Yeah. I read it. I don't agree with their characterization of Nina. I like people who vote
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:28 PM
Jul 2021

for Democrats.

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. The editor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer and cleveland.com is a union buster. See #28 below. Thanks.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 05:02 PM
Jul 2021

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. Also one of the largest union busting companies in Ohio and most likely THE largest union busting...
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 06:57 PM
Jul 2021

...newspapers in Ohio.

If I got their endorsement I wouldn't be bragging about it.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
71. I assume you are talking about her support in the past for charter schools in Cleveland.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:47 PM
Jul 2021

I'm aware of her record and where she stands now.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
32. The only candidate in any competition has a problem with transphobic misgendering of trans women
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 06:40 PM
Jul 2021

Also, there have been a few ethical lapses:


is a pleasant but undistinguished member of Cuyahoga County Council who has little to show for her time in office, and who failed to do what was right -- to step down as Cuyahoga County Democratic Party chair once she’d announced her candidacy in this race.

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
46. Does she vote for Democrats? Because if she does vote for Democrats, she will do a lot
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:14 PM
Jul 2021

more good for transgender people than someone who doesn't.

George II

(67,782 posts)
60. Not stepping down as Cuyahoga County Democratic Party chair is not an ethical lapse. County chairs..
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:00 PM
Jul 2021

...have run for office a number of times in the past without being called unethical by anyone. Nothing wrong with that at all.

What's not ethical about it?

George II

(67,782 posts)
66. So did the person to whom I responded, who brought up the so-called "transphobia" in the first place
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:36 PM
Jul 2021

Dropped it into the subject line, then nothing. Wonder why.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
70. It's a pretty clear statement that says Brown has made transphobic statements.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:45 PM
Jul 2021

Are you OK with those statements?

George II

(67,782 posts)
73. The post to which I responded:
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:50 PM
Jul 2021
32. The only candidate in any competition has a problem with transphobic misgendering of trans women

Also, there have been a few ethical lapses:

is a pleasant but undistinguished member of Cuyahoga County Council who has little to show for her time in office, and who failed to do what was right -- to step down as Cuyahoga County Democratic Party chair once she’d announced her candidacy in this race.


So what statements are you talking about (and context, please)?

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
76. "The only candidate in any competition has a problem with transphobic misgendering..."
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jul 2021

"The only candidate in any competition" = Brown. Because they are the only candidate even close to Turner
"has a problem with transphobic misgendering..." = Brown. Because she's done that.

If you don't know about the misgendering, then you haven't paid attention to the other threads I've seen you on that gave links to that.

So, do you support the transphobia of Brown? Please make sure to, you know, answer the question this time since I answered yours.

George II

(67,782 posts)
78. Like I said, other than the word "transphobia" there was nothing else in that post....
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 09:04 PM
Jul 2021

But it's nice to see I'm so important that you keep track of my past posts.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
81. I literally have you a link.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 09:15 PM
Jul 2021

If you don't know about it (which I don't believe) then do the research on the candidate you seem to support.

Your lack of an answer is not cute.

George II

(67,782 posts)
82. You literally gave me a link to a page asking for input. What I was referring to earlier....
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 09:24 PM
Jul 2021

....was the vague and cryptic reference to "transphobia" which the poster didn't expand upon.

I'm fully aware of the comments made by Shontel Brown, and I'm satisfied with the way she addressed it and explained why she made the comments as she did. It's blatantly obvious that the manner in which she commented was not intended to be disrespectful and she most certainly is NOT transphobic.

George II

(67,782 posts)
83. There's a really interesting "Letter to the Editor" on cleveland.com. We should all read it.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 11:01 PM
Jul 2021

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
3. I can almost hear Louis Stokes turning in his grave...
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:02 PM
Jul 2021

How are so many not seeing what is obvious to many/most here?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
8. So Louis Stokes would be turning in his grave..because a black woman is bring endorsed for his seat?
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:15 PM
Jul 2021

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
10. Over ANOTHER very well qualified Black woman candidate who has not tried to destroy the Democratic
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:21 PM
Jul 2021

Party from within.

Sorry, Autumn, That is a big and very disingenuous FAIL!

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
15. No, you deciding Stokes is turning over in his grave because a black woman is running against
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:28 PM
Jul 2021

another black woman for his seat is the very disingenuous fucking FAIL!

I would think he would be very proud. Changing something does not mean destroying something. ALL things change, even political parties.


Nina destroying the Dem party?

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
16. So you are unable to distinguish between INDIVIDUAL Black women candidates. Ummm, ok, Autumn
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:30 PM
Jul 2021

Good GAWD. As though one is as "good" as another and there is no need to differentiate as individual candidates? REALLY? DISGUSTING

I surely have more respect for the late Stokes than THAT.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
93. They are both well qualified, so one is as good as the other. I don't live there I don't get
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 08:19 AM
Jul 2021

a vote. It up to the people in that district and I also think the people who have endorsed Turner have already weighed the individual candidates and decided on her, an individual candidate. Turner has a lot of support. Myself, I think hate is DISGUSTING but knock yourself out while yelling about respect.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
86. "because a black woman is bring endorsed for his seat?"
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 11:43 PM
Jul 2021

hlthe2b neither said nor implied that. You injected race into a comment that had absolutely nothing to do with it in a transparent attempt to paint another DUer as racist. That's pretty abhorrent, in my opinion, but given the tone of other comments you've made, it's also unsurprising.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
89. Sadly it's about what I've come to expect from Autumn.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 12:04 AM
Jul 2021

Dishonest rhetorical tactics and thinly-veiled personal attacks seem to be their MO. At the very least their tone is snarky and condescending.

Chili

(1,725 posts)
20. and Stephanie is too.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:55 PM
Jul 2021

Betting a lot of people didn't pay attention to all the ugliness she displayed in both 2016 and 2020, even though CNN and MSNBC had numerous mentions of her behavior. Here, we hear and read about it. Out there...

Freakin' worrisome.

Walleye

(44,807 posts)
5. I'm kind of getting tired of people who "have the guts to say what they think"
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:03 PM
Jul 2021

That could apply to anybody at the end of the bar on their second beer.

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
6. I'm afraid, if elected, Nina will become the far left's Marj. I used to like her, but after she
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jul 2021

latched onto Bernie-ism in a way that would put a Trumphumper to shame, she became less of an advocate and more of a thorn. Just my opinion.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
9. My only hope is that she would scramble the "Sqad" and all of a sudden AOC and Omar will lose thier
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:16 PM
Jul 2021

automatic media attention.


 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
7. From comparing Biden to a bowl of shit, to what she did to Hillary in 2016, this is pathetic
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:10 PM
Jul 2021

Rewarding people for encouraging people not to vote for the Democratic nominee

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
65. If she would have apologized for that analogy I would have a different take, but since she didn't
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:32 PM
Jul 2021

I feel the same way about her as she feels about President Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)
91. Tiffany Cross gave her a chance to walk back that comment a month or so ago and instead...
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:46 AM
Jul 2021

...she doubled down on it.

So it wasn't just a flippant analogy said off the cuff. She meant it.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
97. Yup. I believe Charles Blow also gave her an opportunity and she did the same thing.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:28 AM
Jul 2021

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
87. Did she or did she not say those words?
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 11:47 PM
Jul 2021

She should get a pass on likening the Democratic nominee to half a bowl of shit... why, exactly? If her words are coming back to haunt her, perhaps she shouldn't have said them.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
92. Why, is it fake news? She didn't say that? She didn't really mean that?
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 08:04 AM
Jul 2021

"What she really meant was ____ ?"

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. She urged people to vote AGAINST Dems in 2016, helping throw the nation
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:22 PM
Jul 2021

to the Republicans, and her enmity was nothing new then and has continued since.

Worse even, she also campaigned for an independent running on the Democratic ticket by pushing constant lies that state Democratic parties were STEALING the primary elections. Their BIG LIE in dozens of states. AND, she also pushed her candidate's PROMISE TO ILLICITLY TAKE THE NOMINATION (!) himself if needed.

Sound at all familiar? Trump and the Republicans were and are doing the very same thing. And their supporters doing the same as those she spoke to.

If I subscribed to the Plain Dealer, I'd cancel right now. Zero tolerance for dirty, anti-democratic tactics we must run out of government by defeating the Republican Party, not embed in our own.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. To have good government, you elect good people.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 04:04 PM
Jul 2021

To know who is and who is not, examine their behavior.

So basic.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
38. Yep! She did not work to help elect Democrats.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:00 PM
Jul 2021

She could be held responsible for what we had the last 4 years.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. Sure. Millions didn't work to help, though, but she worked against.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:32 PM
Jul 2021

Anyone can look up video of her on TV saying to national audiences that she wouldn't vote Democratic, and more effort would turn up other old videos and writings of her to anti-Democratic audiences and groups.

It's understandable if non-Democrats trying to defeat the Democratic Party approved her then and support her now in this race. This congressional seat will be won by one of the people running on the Democratic ballot. But that's them.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
12. "Speaking Out" / "Standing Up to..."
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:24 PM
Jul 2021

does not translate to making a difference in Congress.

it's unfortunate too many do not recognize that. Bernie falsely claimed in both presidential contests that if he was elected he would do all manner of progressive reforms from the seat of the white house, flipping centuries of corrupt capitalists policies.

could not possibly happen without congress, the Senate, and the Supreme court.

Nina Turner can yell, scream, rant and demonize her would be colleagues till the banshees come home, and make the base feel great, but it won't deliver the goods as a result. The Plain Dealer is as wrong headed as Nina Turner is but obviously should be aware of that.

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
49. Oh, God, yes! All the drooling headlines about the candidate who "speaks out" against
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:20 PM
Jul 2021

things every day but actually gets almost nothing done! Makes me nuts.

I speak out about things too. Doesn't make me a legislator.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
54. My favorite is "take on." Take on this and take on that, fight for, stand up to, speak truth to
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:32 PM
Jul 2021

power. Trying to get people to believe the only reason progressive policies aren't easily passed is corruption. They will stop at nothing to defeat Us. Get money out of politics by electing me and it's easy! Populists need lots of enemies to take on and save The People. Only they can save us from the establishment!

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
90. Or when they refute something and we're told they "SILENCED!" or "CRUSHED!" the other person.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:43 AM
Jul 2021

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
95. That nonsense is all over Youtube these days.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:15 AM
Jul 2021

"Engelbert Fartsnacker DESTROYS Gravyface Buttsnorkler!" Then you watch the video and it's a contentious debate at best, but ordinarily it's a simple, "No, the actual facts are..." Total silliness.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
17. Axios had an interesting take on the race last week.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:35 PM
Jul 2021

Liberals sour on Bernie
The big picture: Three factors are fueling the shift. Some feel he's not pushing President Biden far enough to the left anymore. Some believe his time as the movement leader has simply passed. Some fear tying their brand to Sanders is a gift to opponents to weaponize in crowded primaries or in general elections — and they're instead weighing the merits of aligning more directly with Biden.

Driving the news: Even some of Sanders’ closest allies — like Nina Turner, his 2020 campaign co-chair, who's running in a hotly contested Aug. 3 Democratic primary for a special election for Ohio's 11th congressional district — haven't been running with his endorsement front and center.

snip============================================================================================

The intrigue: Turner's political dilemma is more complicated. Aides and backers tell Axios that part of the calculation around Sanders is actually the fact that Ohio 11's voters overwhelmingly embraced Biden last year.

https://www.axios.com/the-lefts-bernie-burnout-2a3952b2-d9f7-4f07-90e2-7e22a3105710.html

*************************************************************************************************

Has Sen. Nina Turner distanced herself from the peoples party?

It’s official! Sen. Nina Turner is running for Congress. She’s running for the seat vacated by Rep. Marcia Fudge, who Joe Biden has chosen as secretary of Housing and Urban Development. The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat, but we can’t think of anyone better to win that seat and bring a friend of the People’s Party to Congress.

https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
21. From Boston University Libraies
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 02:00 PM
Jul 2021

News bias
Labels such as 'liberal' and 'conservative' are subjective, but newspapers and news magazines have a choice in both how they report events and where they position them, signaling to readers the relative importance of a particular event in the news cycle. You can tell a lot about a news publication's political leanings from what they publish; where they place the event (front page or buried on page 12); and which editorial columns they choose to run, among other criteria.


*The editorial positions of most newspapers in 2016 was either to endorse Clinton or refrain from endorsing anyone.

Leans Liberal

New York Times
Boston Globe
Washington Post
San Francisco Chronicle
Los Angeles Times
The Baltimore Sun
The Sacramento Bee
The Charlotte Observer
Tampa Bay Times
Bangor Daily News
Hartford Courant
The Denver Post
The Seattle Times
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
The Plain Dealer
Detroit Free Press

https://library.bu.edu/c.php?g=617120&p=4452935

blm

(114,658 posts)
75. I said its left is center.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:55 PM
Jul 2021

Last edited Tue Jul 6, 2021, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)

It’s a right wing company. Its nods to the left are notable because they are rare.

mactire

(130 posts)
23. PD "endorsement"
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 02:52 PM
Jul 2021

Perhaps the PD is actually warning its readers with this conditional “ endorsement “. They suggest she come closer to the center, and wants her to be “practical not ideological”. Her district was very supportive of Ms. Clinton ( 80 percent +) while Turner was against endorsing her! NT said she would eventually back the democratic platform, which she hardly seems to do wholeheartedly. She tends to be divisive, another narcissist that loves a mic in hand,and a fawning crowd as she speechifies loudly to the camera. Her career is mostly unimpressive and it’s a given that she’ll be another distraction that will not serve the democratic platform well. [yes, I have seen her at political events while visiting Cuyahoga county in the past]

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
24. Newhouse/Advanced Publications also produces New Yorker & Reddit
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 03:02 PM
Jul 2021
Donald Newhouse together with his brother Samuel “Si” Newhouse Jr. owns Advance Publications.
The Cleveland Plain Dealer, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, and Reddit are all produced by Advance Publications


"Money & Media" he said with a smirk

Corporations & Capitalism suddenly isn't a bad thing?
Ok then, Got it 🙄

George II

(67,782 posts)
28. The editor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer and cleveland.com (affiliated online publication) is a....
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 04:58 PM
Jul 2021

....renowned union buster. Under his watch hundreds of union workers were laid off.

Cleveland.com Editor Chris Quinn Melts Down in “Delirious” Defense of Cleveland’s “Thriving” Journalism Industry

It makes sense that it was a legendary muckraking journalist, Upton Sinclair, who coined the truism about how hard it is “to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” And it’s not so surprising after Advance Media’s brutal round of union-busting layoffs at the Plain Dealer last week that the company’s top editor in Cleveland, Chris Quinn, is having a tough time understanding, or pretending to not understand, why everyone is so upset.

With last week’s layoffs having completed a process by which a PD newsroom of 350 union-backed journalists has been decimated, over a decade, to 63 non-union reporters under the banner of Cleveland.com, there has naturally been an outcry over the death of journalism in Cleveland. As Sam Allard observed last week in a scathing assessment of these developments in these pages, an already overburdened Cleveland.com newsroom is now much more so, with legitimate journalism sure to be increasingly “drowned out by torrents of brain-numbing clickbait and sponsored content, and further cheapened by a truly abominable social media presence.” And with news outlets nationwide having been subject to similar cuts, it’s been widely observed that “our political campaigns are [increasingly] guided by out-of-state donors and consultants, not candidates and voters, our legislative chambers are gerrymandered, [and] our court races are politicized in ways that are dramatically at odds with how they were designed to be run.”

In other words, with 80% fewer journalists in Cleveland to fulfill the essential function of uncovering stories to inform the public, it stands to basic reason that the public will be 80% less informed.

The problem here is obvious and critical. To everyone but Quinn, anyway, who took to the pages of Cleveland.com this weekend to pen a wildly defensive and Orwellian column claiming not only that journalism isn’t “dying in Cleveland” but that in fact it “thrives,” and anyone suggesting otherwise has “dubious motives,” and “appear[s] to be unafflicted by truth.” The relevant paragraphs, where Quinn also lashed out at critics, former colleagues, and the very notion of adversarial journalism, are as follows:

You couldn’t be blamed for not knowing the reporters and editors at cleveland.com. They don’t build cult followings on social media with nonstop messages about their crusading roles. They believe that journalism is about what others do and don’t use social media to call attention to themselves.

The people I work with just keep their heads down and produce the stories, photos, audio and video that you so clearly value — you engage with it in huge numbers.

I find so much dignity in my cleveland.com colleagues. They do the work. Diligently. Accurately. With quiet determination. Without bias.

There’s a danger in your not getting to know them, though. Some people with dubious motives – people who appear to be unafflicted by truth — would have you believe that journalism is dying in Cleveland. That’s false, of course, as any objective review of cleveland.com’s coronavirus coverage would prove. Journalism thrives in Cleveland in the form of our 60-plus reporters and editors.



Note to hosts: only four copyright paragraphs are posted - the rest is a quote from Chris Quinn himself from elsewhere.

Thanks!

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/04/13/clevelandcom-editor-chris-quinns-corporate-toolery-is-the-opposite-of-journalism

No Democrat or progressive should be proud of an endorsement from The Cleveland Plain Dealer
 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
31. They are just trying to suppress the black Democratic vote. Nina as the national candidate
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 06:27 PM
Jul 2021

will accomplish that.

OilemFirchen

(7,288 posts)
41. Ohio Sen. Nina Turner at odds with state teachers union
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:03 PM
Jul 2021
Updated Jan 12, 2019; Posted May 10, 2012

Turner on Wednesday accused the Ohio Federation of Teachers of launching a private vendetta against her and threatening her political career because the union objects to a provision in the Cleveland schools reform bill that would allow charter schools to share funds raised by city school levies. Turner is sponsoring the bill.

...

OFT president Melissa Cropper said her union supports the majority of the bill, which would apply only to Cleveland and would allow the city's mayor unprecedented authority to reconstitute schools and establish partnerships with charters in the city in a bid to improve Cleveland's dismal academic track record.

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"We just don't like the precedent of local levy money going to support charter schools," said Cropper. While the bill would only affect Cleveland, Cropper noted that Gov. John Kasich has said that he would like to see it become a model for the rest of the state.

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"They are deliberately invoking Senate Bill 5 and Kasich's name to stir up controversy," Turner said. "Just because Gov. Kasich may support this plan doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad plan. If someone were lying on the road dying would it matter to you who came to save you? If it was a Democrat or a Republican, would it matter?"

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2012/05/ohio_sen_nina_turner_at_odds_w.html

Yet another of Turner's weird "progressive" policy positions.

George II

(67,782 posts)
44. Why didn't you link to the actual editorial endorsement itself instead of a subjective rehash of it?
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:10 PM
Jul 2021

George II

(67,782 posts)
47. It just seems odd that if a newspaper publishes an endorsement the actual endorsement isn't used.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:17 PM
Jul 2021

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. Or it could be surmised that they don't want the strongest Democrat to run against the republican?
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:29 PM
Jul 2021

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
55. Too bad she doesn't vote for Democrats and she encourages others not to vote for Democrats.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:37 PM
Jul 2021

Also, she called Joe Biden a bowl of shit. Doesn't matter who endorses her when she acts like this.

Doesn't seem like someone who will vote with Democrats when we need her to. As we can see right now, that is the most important thing in a candidate.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
56. She's a little rough around the edges but I like her strong voice. We will need more of those to
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:47 PM
Jul 2021

counter the Fascists in the Republican Party.

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
57. No. We need people to vote for Democrats. And calling Joe Biden a bowl of shit is not "strong."
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:53 PM
Jul 2021

That's not rough around the edges.

When one votes against Democrats, one is not countering republiQans. One is HELPING republiQans.

The way to counter republiQans is to vote for Democrats.

She doesn't do that.

(This is pretty simple. Kind of shocking people don't seem to get it.)

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
96. "Kind of shocking people don't seem to get it."
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:18 AM
Jul 2021

There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. There's a lot of that going around these days, eh?

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
67. Our Revolution (PAC Turner was president of) has hauled out the "Clinton machine" boogieman again.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:37 PM
Jul 2021

"we're on the frontlines of the fight to overcome Hillary Clinton's machine and help Nina Turner win her primary." "Beating the establishment." Ugh.

I wonder how one avoids being "establishment" when one has been a senator, superdelegate, lobbyist, president of PACs, and worked for a presidential campaign!

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
77. I wonder if people in Ohio only remember her as a senator but don't know about the last five years
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jul 2021

or so, what she's been doing and saying.

I can't imagine Democrats voting for someone who so obviously despises the Democratic Party for supposedly rigging elections and being horribly corrupt, the same "bowl of shit" as Republicans. The only ones who believe that sort of thing are usually new to politics and don't know anything.

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. Curious how the endorsement from Majority Whip James Clyburn for Shontel Brown last week....
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:54 PM
Jul 2021

....was poohed poohed and even derided as being "incredibly stupid" by Killer Mike, to which she nodded in agreement, but this is huge.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
72. A letter to the editor about Nina Turner, and the Plain Dealer's endorsement, from Cleveland.com
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:48 PM
Jul 2021

"Nina Turner is too divisive to represent the 11th Congressional District

Too bad that The Plain Dealer supports Nina Turner in the Aug. 3 special Democratic primary election for the 11th Congressional District (”Nina Turner in the Democratic primary for 11th Congressional District seat,” July 4). Ms. Turner’s antics hurt the Democratic Party. She co-chaired Bernie Sanders’ campaign for the presidency in 2016 but after Hillary Clinton won the nomination, Ms. Turner refused to endorse Clinton against Donald Trump. Tepid support by Sanders supporters likely ensured Trump’s victory. And even after four years of Trump, she wouldn’t endorse Joe Biden, saying last July that voting for Biden was liking having half a bowl of “s---” in front of you. Turner’s distasteful analogy was divisive when the Democrats needed cohesion to win the presidency and preserve our democracy. I’m not eager to have a person as intemperate as Turner represent me in Congress. I’m enthusiastic for Shontel Brown, who has the experience to represent the 11th District honorably, respectfully and collaboratively. As far as Ms. Turner’s divisiveness and intemperance are concerned, she could just as well be a Republican.

Dr. Michael M. Lederman,

Cleveland Heights"

https://www.cleveland.com/letters/2021/07/nina-turner-is-too-divisive-to-represent-the-11th-congressional-district.html

This is in response to this endorsement:

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/07/nina-turner-in-the-democratic-primary-for-the-11th-congressional-district.html

George II

(67,782 posts)
98. Sounds like Jim Jordan has the Cleveland Plain Dealer's vote. Remember, Jordan ran against....
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 10:11 AM
Jul 2021

....a Democrat when they endorsed him:

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2018/10/jim_jordan_in_the_4th_congress.html

Jim Jordan in the 4th Congressional District: endorsement editorial

....in this contest, Jim Jordan is the clear choice for another term for the people he has faithfully represented for the last 12 years.

oasis

(53,693 posts)
85. What the hell were the Plain Dealer folks thinking?
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 11:28 PM
Jul 2021

"Wheeling and dealing" comes to mind.

George II

(67,782 posts)
94. It should be noted that the Cleveland Plain Dealer endorsed Jim Jordan in the last election.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 08:52 AM
Jul 2021
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