Nina Turner in the Democratic primary for the 11th Congressional District

[Uncle Joe]

(snip)

Who best among the 13 Democrats on the Aug. 3 special primary ballot seeking the Democratic nod for this overwhelmingly Democratic district to carry on that legacy?

There is one person in this crowded field who has shown she isn’t afraid to stand up to power and to partisan shibboleths, who has the guts to say what she thinks and do what’s right for her constituents and country, who is passionate about public service and knows the issues, the personalities, the challenges better than anyone else in this race.

(snip)

Many in this race cite the need for the next member of Congress from a district encompassing large parts of Cleveland and Akron to address generational poverty, systemic racism, Black voting rights, unequal access to health care and other urban, social ills.

The candidate best-equipped to tackle those challenges, hands-down, is Nina Turner. She has the tools, the smarts and the energy to carry forth Louis Stokes’ outspoken yet effective activism on behalf of this region. We urge voters in the Aug. 3 special Democratic primary in Ohio’s 11th Congressional District to elect Nina Turner. Early voting in the special primary begins July 7.

(snip)

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/07/nina-turner-in-the-democratic-primary-for-the-11th-congressional-district.html

I believe Nina would make an outstanding Representative.

[Ocelot II]

1. Why not an actual Democrat who didn't compare Joe Biden to a bowl of shit?

[LenaBaby61]

3. And who keeps saying that ...

there is no difference between tRump and Pres. Biden

[Uncle Joe]

6. I wonder how this same newspaper which endorsed Biden over Trump got over

that emotional hurdle in endorsing Nina?

I imagine they were focused primarily on the issues and which candidate would be best suited to deal with them.

[Ocelot II]

9. If the choice was Biden v. Trump, of course they endorsed

the lesser of what NT would call the bowls of shit, but the fact that she would say something like that isn't just an "emotional hurdle." It's a grave insult to the Democratic nominee and now President; it suggests that she would not support his or the Democrats' agenda and I don't get why it isn't disqualifying. I don't live in that district but if I did I'd be campaigning vigorously for her opponent.

[Uncle Joe]

15. I believe the 11th district is one of the poorest in Ohio with a poverty rate

of 26.3%!

https://datausa.io/profile/geo/congressional-district-11-oh

Perhaps that's why Ohio's largest newspaper's primary focus is on the issues affecting the people in that district?

[Demsrule86]

41. I do not believe Nina is suited for a Democratic Congress. Thus I will not vote for her in the

primary. And I fear she could in fact lose the seat in a general.

[George II]

66. The same way they got over the emotional hurdle when they endorsed Jim Jordan?

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2018/10/jim_jordan_in_the_4th_congress.html

Jim Jordan in the 4th Congressional District: endorsement editorial

....in this contest, Jim Jordan is the clear choice for another term for the people he has faithfully represented for the last 12 years.

[Trueblue1968]

31. Just say " NO " to Nina !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jedi Guy]

59. Heh, you should suggest that to Shontel Brown's campaign.

"Nina? NiNO!"

[Doremus]

2. "who has the guts to say what she thinks"

Amen! Go Nina!

[hlthe2b]

4. The RW says the same about MTG.

No. Just NO.

Shontel Brown all the way.

[Doremus]

7. Sorry, Shontel is a lightweight.

I've nothing against her except that she has no record of standing up for her beliefs or fighting difficult fights, unlike Nina.

It's long past time for going along to get along. If we're going to save our republic it's going to take bold action by brave people.

1) They wouldn’t hesitate to blow up the filibuster to get their agenda through.
2) They would use the power of the purse. ‘Alright, State A or State B. If you want do this, if you want to impose draconian anti-democratic laws, then we’re gonna withhold funding. We’re gonna pass this major infrastructure bill. You’re not gonna get a dollar of it if you’re gonna act this way.’
3) We would put pressure on you. We would use every means at our disposal, whether it’s private enterprises, companies, donors, legislation process, committee hearings, whatever it took. Every weapon in our arsenal to try to implement the change that we want.
And I just don’t feel like Democrats are calibrated to act that way and in this case, this isn’t a brazen political grab. This is a meaningful and necessary defense of our democracy. And if we aren’t willing to fight fire with fire, to protect our democracy, to protect our right to vote, then I don’t know what the hell else we’re gonna fight for. This is the most important fight that we’re gonna have. And if we don’t win this one, we sure as hell aren’t going to win the other ones."
- Kurt Bardella , 7/2/21, former Republican consultant on MSNBC

[BannonsLiver]

13. What were Turners accomplishments in her brief time in the Ohio senate?

It surely must be quite a very long list of legislation given all the hullabaloo?

[hlthe2b]

23. +++

[progressoid]

69. Ha!

That's the same line of thinking that people used against Obama and Biden

[Budi]

16. What part of your post says Shontel is a lightweight?

Are Marcia Fudge, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, & James Clyburn theen also "lightweights" as well as her 100's of local endorsers?

Shontel Brown has actually accomplished far more political & in the trenches for her constituents than Turner has ever done.

List Turner's legislative or district accomplishments please.
What has she actually done for the people in the District she is running in? Or for any other District, for that matter.
Nina is a Corporate backed media voice with 4 Super PACS, and her own PR Company backed by an International Lobbying group, & her own political party running oppo against the Democratic Party, and she permanently lives in Maryland.


What's all that bs about "big money! corporate!
🙄

[Autumn]

57. Biden endorsed Brown? Got a link?

[Trueblue1968]

32. Nina fought difficult fights? BULL PUCKY!!! TURNER LIED ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON

I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HER FOR LYING. SHE LIED ON TV AND SHE LIED IN PRINT. You can't trust her at all !!!!!

[hlthe2b]

34. +++

[Demsrule86]

39. What did Nina ever do for Ohio...and she attacked Hillary Clinton who had supported her by the way

relentlessly...a bit no to Nina in the primary.

[Ocelot II]

5. If what she thinks is that Joe Biden is like a bowl of shit,

I'm not impressed that she said it. The likes of Marjorie Traitor Green say what they think, too. AFAIC that's not much of a recommendation.

[TexasTowelie]

19. Guts or stupidity?

Sometimes being the loudest isn't the best tactic.

[OnDoutside]

21. Yes, a gift to the Republican ad makers .

[Hortensis]

37. Doremus, isn't the point that she DOES NOT say what she thinks?

Just hints that slip out or get "outed" from less public venues? Will you say the same if she once again "thinks" something that betrays and turns on what you thought you were supporting?

I have to assume that those who experienced that before and are nevertheless supporting her now didn't feel shocked or betrayed as I did. But I don't understand. Did they always know then that she'd, or think she might, set fire to all her progressive goals along with the Democratic Party if we didn't give Sanders the nomination? It's not like that was going to happen, and smart people had to know it.

Could that be her appeal for some? A hostility that only partially hid behind and burned through the dark storm clouds headed for November 6? That she really "does" let people know what she thinks in hot little glimpses?

I certainly don't know or understand. I'm excited by determination to do good for everyone and disgusted and repelled by lies, antagonism, attempts to deceive me or anyone else. For me, it's all about the principles, the ideals, the issues, the achievements to be made -- the future of 300 million fragile people she threw under the bus for reasons her supporters might approve but I never will. Even if she someday has the guts to tell me why.

[Demsrule86]

40. Right and so did Ralph Nader...not impressed.

[George II]

45. One of the things she thinks is Joe Biden is a "half bowl of shit".

[BannonsLiver]

8. I don't.

[Budi]

10. Yup. Aren't Corporations & Capitalism Great!!

Newhouse/Advanced Publications also produces Vanity Fair, New Yorker & Reddit

Donald Newhouse together with his brother Samuel “Si” Newhouse Jr. owns Advance Publications.
The Cleveland Plain Dealer, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, and Reddit are all produced by Advance Publications

"Money & Media" he said with a smirk

Corporations & Capitalism suddenly isn't a bad thing when they serve Turner's need..?

Ok then, Got it 🙄

[oasis]

11. Turner never lifted a finger to assist Hillary's 2016 GE run vs. Trump.

Her record of loyalty to the Democratic Party can only be described as "shabby".

[Bleacher Creature]

24. Honestly, I would have just taken "didn't actively undermine Clinton in 2016."

Lifting a finger to help Hillary would have just been a bonus.

[Indykatie]

12. Clyburn and Hillary are Supporting Brown - That's Good Enough For Me to Donate From Indiana

I don't like Turner at all. I'd never vote for anyone who is so disdainful of traditional Democrats like me. Given some of her attacks on the Dem party she'd be banned from DU.

[aeromanKC]

14. No. Just an emphatic NO to this past outspoken supporter of Jill Stein!!

[MontanaMama]

17. Turner's support of Jill Stein

says it all. Just say NO to Nina.

[FarPoint]

29. Ohio voters here...

I totally agree...

[DURHAM D]

18. Nope.

She is a performance artist just like Bofart and MTG.

[Budi]

36. "Performance Artist"

YUP!
Nina is a Corporate backed media voice with 4 Super PACS, and her own PR Company backed by an International Lobbying group, & her own political party running oppo against the Democratic Party, and she permanently lives in Maryland.

She turned down a DC lobbying position with an International CORPORATE LOBBYING GROUP when Biden appointed Marcia Fudge, which then opened up OH-11.

She's an opportunist, with CORPORATE big money backing, & she lives in Maryland...when's the last time she gave 2 shits about OH-11 until Fudge's seat opened up.

She owns her own PR Co, Amare Public Affairs with partners of the powerful International Lobby Group, Mercury Public Affairs.

Who is Mercury Public Affairs?
Who are their clients?

https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/firms/summary?cycle=2019&id=D000022461

Would ya look at ALL THOSE CORPORATE CLIENTS!!
Whew, looks like Nina's got her work cut out for her with her Campaign motto of ending CORPORATE POWER!!

[Budi]

20. Haaa. Nina is now a great civil rights leader? Says some editor at Corp owned Plains dealer.

"Citing the "pioneering civil rights legacy of the late U.S. Rep. Louis Stokes of Cleveland," who served constituents in the district that spans portions of Cleveland and Cuyahoga County for 15 terms from 1968 to 1999, the Cleveland Plain Dealer endorsed Turner "

Invoking the great leaders who cleared the path before her, seems to be a pattern here.

Bill Clinton was another popular influential name she latched onto once, as well. Now Stokes's name & legacy lands next to her as tho he actually gave her a thumbs-up from the grave.

Is this her answer to the powerful James Clyborn endorsing Brown?


Because with her, everything is about image & PR.
Talks about what she COULD do for ppl of OH-11, not what she's actually done other than build an internationally backed Media & Corporate backed organization to advance herself & her own peephole party.

Donald Newhouse together with his brother Samuel “Si” Newhouse Jr. owns Advance Publications.
The Cleveland Plain Dealer, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, and Reddit are all produced by Advance Publications

"Money & Media" he said with a smirk

Corporations & Capitalism suddenly isn't a bad thing?
Ok then, Got it 🙄

[hlthe2b]

22. "Is this her answer to the powerful James Clyborn endorsing Brown? " Exactly...

Pretty remarkable that a prominent and beloved civil rights leader, like Stokes could have 'endorsed' Turner from the grave-- six years after his death.

[Budi]

25. Yet THIS Civil Rights icon, James Clyburn, she & KM called "STUPID"

James E. (Jim) Clyburn is the Assistant Democratic Leader, the third-ranking Democrat, in the United States House of Representatives

Born in Sumter, South Carolina, James Clyburn was elected president of his NAACP youth chapter at age 12.
The son of an activist minister and a civic minded beautician, he helped organize many civil rights marches and demonstrations as a student leader at South Carolina State College, and even met his wife Emily in jail following a student demonstration.
And much more in-the-trenches, than either Turner nor NRA backer KM ever ever did in their lifetimes.

I believe Stokes would be appalled at Nina & KM calling James Clyburn 'STUPID'.

Who exactly wrote the Corporate Owned Plains Dealer overbloated & enhanced promo for Turner?

[JustAnotherGen]

44. See - I read things like that

And it's not "just electioneering".

She wins - and how does she intend to operate with that out there?

That shows a complete lack of respect for a man who made sure me and her BOTH had opportunities his mother never had.

[Budi]

56. Absolutely is "a complete lack of respect."

That shows a complete lack of respect for a man who made sure me and her BOTH had opportunities his mother never had.

This right here is the deepest cut.
Sad, pathetic & a disgrace.

[Ocelot II]

26. All newspapers are corporate-owned. That's not what's driving their endorsement.

I'm not sure what is, but I doubt very much it has anything to do with the business structure of the newspaper. Find me a single newspaper in a major city that isn't corporate owned.

[Budi]

28. But but nina & her anti-Democratic Party have ran a 6 year long campaign disavowing CORPORATE!!

Bad Corporate has been their rally cry.

Well, until that big bad CORPORATE works for them.

That's my point.

There's a clear hypocrisy between what they strongly disavow & advocate against & what they then accept as 'well maybe not ALL CORPORATE', ...

Populism is like that, tho.

[Ocelot II]

33. Well, there's that.

I really can't think of any good reason for this person to be in Congress, at least not as a Democrat (which she clearly is not, except when it's convenient), since she's been dumping on Democrats for years. Her support of Jill Stein and her opposition to both Clinton and Biden would be a deal-breaker for me if I lived in that district. She was downright vicious during the primaries. I might send her opponent a few bucks.

[FarPoint]

27. She is not the one...

Shontel Brown..ma Democrat to the bone.

[DFW]

30. If she really wants to address social ills in Cleveland or Akron

Let her run for mayor of Cleveland or Akron.

We don‘t need a left wing version of MTG for Republicans to laugh at, and compare the rest of us to. Нет спасибо.

[hlthe2b]

35. " We don't need a left wing version of MTG for Republicans to laugh at & compare the rest of us to"

Exactly

[ChubbyStar]

48. Maybe you should email her that suggestion n/t

[DFW]

53. The way email addresses get passed around these days

By the time anything from me got to her, she'd know everything about me except my blood type (and maybe that, too). One look at who my friends are in DC, and she toss me in the bowl of shit along with the other Democrats that she seems to think belong in there. I don't think she'd take my suggestion as to what brand of flax seed to buy, much less anything approaching a suggestion involving politics.

[George II]

54. Don't I know it. It's amazing how I wind up getting political emails from some that I never....

....contacted in the first place. Gets to be really bothersome.

[DFW]

55. Don't I know it.

I send a check to Greenpeace, and suddenly the North Dakota chapter of the Save The Frogs Association is imploring me to "step up" to pitch in $35 annually so that Kermit doesn't end up on the menu of some fancy restaurant in Marseille.

[Demsrule86]

38. Nina is not a Democrat. Thus, I will not vote for her in a primary.

[Happy Hoosier]

42. Her behavior has been appalling.

So I encourage voters to vote for an actual Democrat.

[JustAnotherGen]

43. Not my district

But I've given money to Ms. Brown. She's ready on day one, and his 100% all in for the Democratic Party.

She wants to do the hard work - work with people. To get me to give out of state or district - you have to show me a history of navigating your own ego and others. Her role in the party and to get there? She will be able to negotiate and find workable solutions for us all.

[George II]

46. Here is what the party Turner co-founded last summer said about her candidacy:

"The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat"

https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

So glad she's so gung ho about and supportive of our party, eh?

[dsc]

47. What she helped to do to the teachers of Cleveland is despicable

allowing money to go to charter schools, schools to be shut down and altered against union contracts, removing seniority from being considered in layoffs, transfers, and call backs. She is a garden variety union buster, but since it is education unions, it is all good.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

50. Obama supported charter schools at the same time.

[dsc]

51. and he was wrong too

His education policy is a huge part of the reason he was my last choice in the primary of 2008 (I also had problems with his stances on LGBT issues (which to be fair he was much better than I thought he would be on that) and on his theory of what happened during the Clinton Administration and what the GOP would be like (and we know how that turned out) but his education policy was bad in campaigning and bad in governance. Duncan was awful. But that doesn't excuse what she did and in point of fact what she did was actually worse in that she also removed seniority which even Duncan didn't do.

[OilemFirchen]

52. President Obama did NOT support using tax dollars for private schools.

And, unlike Ms. Turner, he never represented himself as a leftist "revolutionary", nor even a so-called "progressive".

Whatabout that, huh?

[George II]

64. No he did not, in fact he said he'd be "SEEN" as a moderate republican, that's a big distinction.

[NurseJackie]

67. Truth wins!

[sheshe2]

68. Thank you!

Facts matter as do quotes . You don't spin stuff up to suit your agenda.

[Rob H.]

71. Wrong.

“The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican.” Direct quote from President Obama, describing himself, which took less than a minute to find via Google.

[George II]

72. On the one hand he said he'd be "seen" as a moderate republican, and your quote where....

....he says he'd be "considered" a moderate republican.

He NEVER said he'd actually BE a moderate republican.

[Rob H.]

73. I can find no source where he, himself, uses the word "seen"

The only sources I've found for "seen" are where it appears in the headline of an article containing the quote I posted above. (Obviously the quote appears in more than one article, as at least a few were written shortly after he said it.)

[George II]

74. Back to the point - he never said he'd BE a moderate republican.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

58. Fascists like Traitor Greene will hate her even more than they hate AOC.

Can't wait to watch RW heads explode if she is the constituent's choice.

[Budi]

61. Media will love the performance act!! Cha Ching$$

Who needs a functioning legislative body when you can have performance actors one-upping each other for fame & fortune.

"MONEY & MEDIA, BABY!!!

[Shellback Squid]

62. Jill and a bowl, if she was in my district I would vote for Shontel

[MrsCoffee]

63. Lol.

Not getting me this time.

[George II]

65. The Cleveland Plain Dealer also endorsed Jim Jordan, so there's that.

[brooklynite]

70. Jim Jordan in the 4th Congressional District: endorsement editorial

We've urged Jordan to be more forthcoming about what he might have known of sexual abuse of Ohio State University athletes by the late Dr. Richard Strauss when Jordan was assistant wrestling coach from 1986 to 1994. Jordan denies such knowledge.

We still feel he needs to examine his conscience on that matter. But in this contest, Jim Jordan is the clear choice for another term for the people he has faithfully represented for the last 12 years.

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2018/10/jim_jordan_in_the_4th_congress.html

I'd say the Cleveland Plain Dealer shows questionable judgement.