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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,964 posts)
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:22 PM Jul 2021

Kushner lobbied against TFG using his presidential power to pardon himself before leaving office,

Former President Donald Trump talked of pardoning himself while in the White House but his son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner "dissuaded" him, a forthcoming book by journalist Michael Wolff says.

"They say I can. Unlimited pardon power," Trump said, according to an excerpt of the book "Landslide: The Final Days of the Trump Presidency" published by The Times of London.

Kushner argued, however, that Trump giving himself a federal pardon - a president's only pardon power - might motivate states to go after him even more, Wolff writes.

"Still, with such a lot of people out there who wanted to hurt him, he should pardon the whole family, shouldn't he - even Barron?" Wolf wrote, referring to Trump's teenage son. "Kushner elided. (Other family members would note that Kushner did, though, grab a pardon for his own father.)"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kushner-lobbied-against-trump-using-163517950.html

I don't think that pardon would have held up.

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Kushner lobbied against TFG using his presidential power to pardon himself before leaving office, (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 OP
Opened him up to civil suits zipplewrath Jul 2021 #1
I don't believe any President has ever pardoned himself FakeNoose Jul 2021 #2
The power to pardon is in the Constitution. Lochloosa Jul 2021 #3
Trump was pardoning for money. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2021 #4
I wonder about the pardon for Jared's dad... stillcool Jul 2021 #5
Even Jared wanted him locked up. n/t moonscape Jul 2021 #6

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
1. Opened him up to civil suits
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:32 PM
Jul 2021

To be pardoned suggests guilt and he could have opened himself, and his family (including Jared) to civil lawsuits in which they could not plead the 5th, for years.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
2. I don't believe any President has ever pardoned himself
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 08:56 PM
Jul 2021

I'm not a lawyer, nor am I a constitutional scholar. But if Chump had done this - pardon himself for charges to be named later - it wouldn't have held up in court. That's my guess.

Laws need to be passed immediately that define and limit the Presidential pardon power, before the next Repuke gets himself elected.

In any case I'm happy to see that New York State and the City of Manhattan have stepped up to the plate just in time.



dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. Trump was pardoning for money.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 09:27 PM
Jul 2021

everything about trump is transactional. Everything.

rudy and Jared both were the salesmen. There's some tape transcripts of Rudy selling one.

When this is investigated, I think a lot of pardons will be invalidated.

Wikipedia has/had a list of trump pardons. In a couple of of the list names, there is mention of the person and/or his family donating large sums to the GOP at the same time.
that's how trump gets some of his money, goes thru a legit front like the GOP or a charity, or the Inaugural comm. to move money from them to him.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
5. I wonder about the pardon for Jared's dad...
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 10:08 PM
Jul 2021

was that to clear from his record the crimes Chris Christie put him in jail for?

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